Young people having Kids...

i was a working single parent for a few years. Got tax credits and school uniform grant but didnt claim school meals as kids wanted packed lunches. Managed to pay my mortgage and council tax (single person discount) Have worked since I was 16 til last year. Im now on benefits, I get housing benefit, council tax benefit, job seekers, and tax credits. With contribution to rent and £120 a month council tax, food for family of 5 there is not a lot left for luxuries. I dont feel bad about taking benefits as I have worked and feel I have paid in. My daughter is 16 and is determined not to have kids til she is much much older. This is due to her having close contact with her wee sister. These young girls that are getting pregnant should spend a week with a young baby and see that it is not all about cute trainers.

By all means help people who try to help themselves,a big difference from them that have no intention of working and think the rest of us should support them while they knock out kids.Does anybody ever pay maintenance for these kids? Yes people can make a mistake in life but when it comes down to 3 and 4 kids with different fathers they are playing us for the fools that we are
I will be perfectly honest here and admit to being on Pension credits,but still paying tax as I have done all my full time working life[42years],not just personal tax but company tax along with the employers contributions VAT etc
Although I am taking from the system I like to think that I also paid my fair share in probably a lot more than I will ever be paid back in pensions or health care but it irks me to think that my hard graft is paying for some waster who has every intention of sponging off my back for the rest of their lifes when the truely honest people who often do need help struggle to get some.

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

We work most of our life and get fleased for tax, dont get looked after at all
Please Discuss.

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

when I see all those taxes being taken off me and then seeing what I dont get back (pretty much nothing) it kinda gets to you...

A slight diversion but look on the flipside. Oiks or unfortunates, however you class them, getting benefits is just one part of a social security system in place to help us all.

Think about what else your taxes fund.

When I had a bike accident an ambulance with two medically trained crew, a helicoptor (I realise this was probably funded by a charitable trust, rather than taxes), policemen and firemen turned up to help me.

I was taken to a hospital where I had access to an x-ray machine, MRI scanner, intensive care unit and an operating theatre. A team of consultants planned where best I would be cared for and then I was cared for for weeks until my bones knitted enough for me to be able to sit up.

I then got given a wheelchair and all equipment and medical help to enable me to learn to walk again.

Not forgetting the access to a psychologist to help with any mental trauma I may have.

I don't mind looking at the deductions part of my payslip so much these days.

[Bibio]

so whats the answer?

massive day care centres?
bringing the cost of living down?
imaginary jobs with higher wages?
cheaper house prices?
compulsory contraception for the under 20's?
forcing partners to stay together?
stop immigration?
stoning people in the street for not conforming to society?

i do agree that the working population in the country get a bum deal.

of all those things you had, how much did it cost you? Or was it your insurance which paid for the ambulance, wheelchair, drugs etc.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by leedsmatt7

Is it number 1?

lol, only messing. I knew this topic had been touched on before. Thats when I spoke with you Dizzy I remember
.

Indeedy hun


Life is about choices. I choose to try and make something of life. Sitting on full benefits at home all day, can actually feel really crap, even to those who seem to revel in it. Its a difficult life to lead.

Peace to you too my friend

[Bibio]

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

Indeedy hun


Sitting on full benefits at home all day, can actually feel really crap

Peace to you too my friend

+1

tiz why i'm sitting typing this....................... board out my skull........

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

.Does anybody ever pay maintenance for these kids? .

you wouldn't believe the rigmarole(sp) that some fellas go to to wriggle out of paying maintenance. There are those that do, and also those that are taken for a ride by the CSA, who don't deserve it.
My sons father doesn't pay me a penny......and quite frankly I would refuse anything off him anyway, I don't need his help financially, I'm determined to support myself, always have always will. If he pays maintenance, I feel I have to let him in our lives again. Thats something else both of us can do without

Originally Posted by leedsmatt7

of all those things you had, how much did it cost you? Or was it your insurance which paid for the ambulance, wheelchair, drugs etc.

It cost me nothing at the time. That's the point. The hospital, with its principle of free care at the point of consumption and the other aspects wouldn't be there in the first place if it wasn't for taxes.

Just wanted to illustrate that you can get something back - contrary to Greek's frustrated viewpoint.

His quoted figures are actually quite interesting. Looking at them, if my quick maths is correct, spending on social security benefits has only increased by about 10% in the 8 year span. Healthcare spending rose by 72%.

To throw a cat amongst the pigeons, should Greek be more interested in the government's spending on 'Scotland' rising about 40% under the steer of two Scottish PMs...

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

By all means help people who try to help themselves............it irks me to think that my hard graft is paying for some waster who has every intention of sponging off my back for the rest of their lifes when the truely honest people who often do need help struggle to get some.

Originally Posted by eviltwin

A slight diversion but look on the flipside. Oiks or unfortunates, however you class them, getting benefits is just one part of a social security system in place to help us all.

Think about what else your taxes fund

I guess this is the key point. We dont mind paying taxes for those who are honest and genuinely need help. We dont mind paying taxes as an investment in our healthcare system and pension plans etc etc...What TheGr33k is essentially aiming his frusturations at (and correct me if I am wrong) are the dishonest people and the lazy buggers

Originally Posted by Bibio

so whats the answer?

massive day care centres?
bringing the cost of living down?
imaginary jobs with higher wages?
cheaper house prices?
compulsory contraception for the under 20's?
forcing partners to stay together?
stop immigration?
stoning people in the street for not conforming to society?

No idea. I guess society and the attitudes of the younger generation needs a major overhaul

Im just glad I wont be around by the time society disintegrates in 100 odd years time