A life saving skill.......

Yes, I've done the first biker on scene. Have done it a couple of times now. As for having the latest method of CPR. Don't buy that really. If you've learnt CPR whether it was 2 months ago or 2 years ago, it isn't going to change a whole lot. It's pretty basic stuff and normally the only thing that changes is the ratios. ANY CPR done the way your were taught is better than not doing anything and likely to save a life.

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by maviczap

I was only refering to CPR, but even if you did 15:2 instead of 30:2, you'd still be be better than doing nothing at all

The first hour is the 'golden hour' the better you do for the paitent in the 1st hour, the better the long term outcome.

Its what I said

Done CPR and basic first aid through the military, Also recently done the Patrol Medic course, however its a completley dif type of first aid for the most part.

I would be confident in using what has been taught to me in order to savea life if required.

Obviously we are trained in the basics, a bit more than a joe public course, but the key thing we were told is that if you can't do breaths properly, or are uncomfortable with them, DON'T do them and just do chest compressions, think it was due to the amount of people wasting time trying to get a breath in when they were panicking.

I'd like to think most people are know aware enough to be able to carry out CPR, at the end of the day, something is better than nothing, even if the ratio of compressions to breaths is wrong!

[maviczap]

Current CPR guidance

http://www.resus.org.uk/pages/bls.pdf

Doing something is better than nothing, but if you're doing it wrong by not compressing the chest far enough then you're wasting your time, compressing it too far is going to hurt the casulty futher.

The changes are explained. As we are taught, you're unlikely to bring them back just with CPR, but it'll help preserve them better once the Paramedics turn up with all the kit

Did the FBOS course a few years back, I should probably go again for a refresher.

I had to use some of what I learned once too, albeit for a car driver rather than a motorbike, so definitely worthwhile going!

[Messie]

Well that was interesting...
my Year 11 Health & Social Care group has just had their first 3 hour First Aid session, run by St John's Ambulance. I can confirm they suggested a 30 compressions to 2 breathes ration, but were much more relaxed about where to press on the chest. When I did it a few years ago, it was all about counting so many fingers up from the big rib or something. Tbh, it sort of put me off because I thought I'd get it wrong. This time they just stressed, in the middle of the chest, doesn't matter too much where!

But the new thing that I did learn today was the number to ring. I knew that 112 was as good as 999, but didn't know that if you use 112 on a mobile and you don't don't where you are, they can keep hold of your signal and track you. They can't do that on 999.

Might be useful one day, as I often havn't a clue where I am!

Originally Posted by maviczap

In what respect, being sued or doing it the right way

Either!

Originally Posted by Messie

But the new thing that I did learn today was the number to ring. I knew that 112 was as good as 999, but didn't know that is you use 112 on a mobile and you don't don't where you are, they can keep hold of your signal and track you. They can't do that on 999.

Might be useful one day, as I often havn't a clue where I am!

That could have been so helpful for us at the GM. Trying to describe where we were as i'm not sure control was so sure. We were 30/40 mins doing CPR up a hill waiting for paramedics. I don't think a defib would have helped but that community is now looking into one given the amount of walkers.

we were working 30:2 but the breaths were quickly ditched as it was an awkward angle for us to work at.

The defib that the para's brought looked dead easy to understand and follow - in fact there was no way you could mess it up.

And i used nellie the elephant much to the hilarity of the fireman that was there - though staying Alive is just as good but you have to make sure you don't start doing the dance as well.

RIP Frank

Basic first aid esp a little CPR knowledge can aid the ambulance technicians and paramedics in to giving the person a better survival rate, As MBK said in her training if your not happy doing the breaths just concentrate on chest compressions.

After 2 good breaths (full and equal air pressure into both lungs) it'll take approx 20 good compressions for the full body to recieve that o2, and in 10 compressions you would be stopping to give more o2. Although not official, current thinking from resus council (it's under review at the moment) is to go straight into 300 compressions, after calling for help, as there is still over 70% o2 in the air we breathe out and the compressions will enable the brain to stay oxygenated.

Although on a very sick note, the sound of cracking ribs as you do those first couple of compression is a sound of beauty.