No license No Lid No Brains

Originally Posted by jonboy

Whatever, the really tragic thing is that is was completely preventable and that she didn't have the mature support of close friends (and possibly family).

And you know what? There'll be quite a lot of folk who'll look at this and say "see, that's what happens when you ride a motorcycle". All that press coverage has done no-one any good.


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If that was in England the 'Eurocrats' would have had motorcycling banned even before the emergency call was made,

Does show how relaxed (too relaxed) some countries can be when it comes to safety and education - kind of give us your money and I'll give you a bike and let's worry about training later,

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

Daimo...I harp back to my first point. Of course there is no way on this earth that girl should have been on that bike,absolutely not.

But she and her friends thought differently. Therefore where perhaps Jonboy or myself or any other parent on here would have stepped in or some genuine friend would have explained the potential dangers' and implications,it would appear that this girl had the benefit of none of that.

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, why on earth was she allowed on there.

There was the moron that let her ride it, bet they were being cheered by their ultra cool hip hop friends as well.

I would never ever let anyone ride a powerfull bike that hasn't ridden before. Stick to the smaller cc bikes.

I consider my SV my learning step. I let my un-experience (road) friend ride it up and down the road (made him wear a bash hat, gloves etc). Only becuase he's got off road MotoX experience.

[Spiderman]

I'm sorry, but i for one dont se why there is so much sypathy being shown to someone who made their own choices about doing something potentialy deadly.

If her firends had given her a loaded gun and dared her to play russian roullete would we be feeling sorry for her that she shot herself?

She's 19 not 9 ffs and at that age you should have a good idea that going fast on a bike is dangerous. No one but her made her twist that throttle as hard as she did.
No one but her made her buy the bike.
The local laws about helmets are another issue and i have witnessed many a sports biker rider wearing one in places where the law says its not compusory.Why? I guess cos they knew it was a good idea to protect themselves.

Its not a holier than tho attitude from me btw, just simple common sense. If someone gave me a jet fighter to fly, with my minimal flying skills, you can bet i wouldnt be trying to break Mach1 on my first go, more get myself acquainted with whats what and how the safey feature works, ie the ejector seat should i need it. And i'd damed well have a lid and a flightsuit on too, even if the law said i could fly naked.

I feel more sorry for innocent people who are killed in night time bombing raids that go wrong courtesy of the american attitude that "as long as we got our target the collateral damage is acceptable" They truly did nothing to bring it onto themselves. This silly girl made a lot of choices of her own free will (maybe with a bit of peer pressure thrown in) and really gets very little of my sympathy. Live and learn is the moral here imo.

Ok lets look it like this. Would anyone here do their CBT on an R1 or a Hayabusa?

And not bothering with the training and going straight onto the road ride without it?

I suspect knowing how sensible us SV owners are, none would do that. But this is what this woman chose to do. She bought a big bike without a licence or without, it appears, knowing how to ride.

She made a bad decision. Whether thats down to her friends influence or whatever, she made the choice to ride a bike beyond her capabilities. She could have chosen a smaller bike, or opted for some proper training or even chosen not to ride but she seemingly didnt. At the end of the day, as has been said shes 19 not 9. Shes an adult and should take responsiblity for her actions. For that I have no sympathy.

What I do feel sorry for is the fact she lives in a country where peer pressure is a killer. Where you can buy a machine without a licence and no-one stops you. And where common sense precautions like lids are not mandatory.

Sorry if thats too holier than thou, just saying it as I see it.

Spidey..So the fact that she did something that realised it's potential danger's...i.e. she got hurt.Is ok according to your thinking? Meaning that as far as you are concerned she deserved all that she got?

Despite the deep flaws in her actions and decision making, I for one do NOT agree with that sentiment.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

Spidey..So the fact that she did something that realised it's potential danger's...i.e. she got hurt.Is ok according to your thinking? Meaning that as far as you are concerned she deserved all that she got?

Despite the deep flaws in her actions and decision making, I for one do NOT agree with that sentiment.

Its like a kid who climbs a tree, and slips and falls. You takes your chances, you pays the price. whenever i did something like that as a kid i dint expect anyone to feel sorry for, sometimes i was glad i didnt get a clip round the ear from my mum for doing something so stoopid.

I would never have watched her do it and thought "i hope you get really badly hurt to teach you a lesson you stoopid bint". Thats not where i'm comming from. But at the same time i dont really feel sorry for her.
More for her family and friends who now have to spend time and emotions on her.

I feel that the ones with her could possibly have advised her more wisely in wearing a helmet, protective gear etc.

But then again if it permitted not to in that state you have to blame the authorities. Although just because they say you don't have to waer a helmet doesn't mean you have to agree and go along with it.

I hope she makes a full recovery.

I think it's all about the rise - and inevitable fall - of freedom of choice.

Old Peter (not Henry) principle applies: man rises to the level of his own incompetence.

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

Spidey..So the fact that she did something that realised it's potential danger's...i.e. she got hurt.Is ok according to your thinking? Meaning that as far as you are concerned she deserved all that she got?

Despite the deep flaws in her actions and decision making, I for one do NOT agree with that sentiment.

No no, if she had gotten run over by a truck which wasn't her fault, then it was silly for not wearing a helmet but I would feel sorry for her. But it was her own inability to ride and disregard fo safety that got her into trouble, and being of a similar age to me (and I'm certainly not young and bloody stupid) she has noone but herself to blame and I don't feel sorry for her.

And yes we can afford to be high and mighty about this stuff, because we HAVEN'T done anything like this. Remember the high and mighty rules: If someone broke the law you can't be high and mighty cos we all have in a small way at some point, but if someone does something REALLY dumb, then we can condemn it without being hypocrits.

BTW my Dad fought the compulsary helmet law when it was being introduced. He already wore a helmet before, but just didn't like being told what to do

Come on guys, she is 19! As spidy said, no one but her made that choice. She was unbelievably stupid to do what she did and surprise surprise, look what happened. Nope, no sympathy here, if anything just irritated as what happened will reflect on all bikers.