Dangers of horseriding

[fizzwheel]

I dont see what the problem is, wait till you ride through cow sh*t, now that really is f*cking slippery.

Bikes are an evolution of horses, we both wear protective gear and look a bit off when walking around just bikes go a bit quicker and last longer, tis all...

just a though, but since if its horse poo that will have us off, and if its not it will be something else...hell, why dont we tear past the horse at a safe distance so we dont get hurt, the horse bucks and hurts the rider, as you say poo happens and if we dont help them to fall off something else will...

get a grip think in a fair and honest mind...

horses cause many problems on the roads, and they contribute nothing to their upkeep or the trouble they cause on them, i cant see why they cant keep to the fields where they naturally are anyway rather than causing havock on the roads full of people needing to be places not getting held up by a dumb, upredictable and dangerous animal...

you may call us/me a safety nazi...why take more risks when performing an already risking pass time than I have to, i like my life and dont want to lose it becuase of some turd left thoughtlessly asnd selfishly in the road by some horse and its rider.

Every action has a consequence, if people thought more like that then the world would be less selfish and we wouldnt be having this debate as the problem wouldnt exist.

andy

Originally Posted by silent

just a though, but since if its horse poo that will have us off, and if its not it will be something else...hell, why dont we tear past the horse at a safe distance so we dont get hurt, the horse bucks and hurts the rider, as you say poo happens and if we dont help them to fall off something else will...

I don't see how deliberately endangering someone by flying past them at full chat can be compared to you falling off your bike due to poor observation.

Originally Posted by silent

you may call us/me a safety nazi...why take more risks when performing an already risking pass time than I have to

Great! And while we're at it lets bring in some other legislation to save us. Power limit perhaps? Mandatory stabalisers? Dayglow bikes/gear?

There are hundreds of potential hazards we as bikers face. If you think anoying thousands of people by introducing new laws, which may or may not eliminate one of those hundreds of hazards is going to keep you safe then you're deluding yourself.

If safety is your primary concern, go and get a car.

Originally Posted by Paws

Ohh yawn, i ride a horse and a bike, fell of horses and bikes-hurt myself on both.
Us hunting "farternity" do not deseve anything, mummy and daddy never bought me a pony-i still dont own one today, i dont speak posh, im not loaded but hey i supprt hunting.that my opinion.

I was going to post something along similar lines. I've ridden both horses & bikes (bikes in fields too, horsepower & grass...). I've fallen off both. In my younger days I only wore protective gear whilst on a horse (and that was limited to a helmet). Never got more than a bad scrape. I've landed on the back of my neck, upside down, no helmet on, at around 50mph. From the speed, you can guess that I wasn't riding a horse! Nothing came of that except some bent forks! I've also set myself on fire, again, not a horse in sight.

Maybe the risk isn't the method of transport, it's the person using it

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

I don't. That said, I'm not arrogant enough to think that I'm in any position to dictate how you live your life. Do what you want I say, shouldn't be mine or any one elses business.

Bu**er me, me & F_S agree, twice within 6 months. The end of the world is nigh!!! Be warned!!

Originally Posted by Cloggsy

Ahhh, but where do you stick your road tax

If you're going to have road tax, where do yo propose horse riders stick the number plate?

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

Expect the unexpected, that includes horse cr*p in the road. You ride enough in rural areas you get to expect this kind of thing, same with cow poo. If you ride over it and fall off, who's fault is it. The horses for doing it in the first place, the horse riders for not clearing it up, or yours for not having good enough forward observation and not being able to avoid it.

I live in a rural area, and it was only last week that I narrowly avoided cow crap induced time in a hedge. Can't remember the last time I encountered horse crap. Cows are far more dangerous to the traffic on the road IMO. At least a horse has the chance of running out of the way...

Originally Posted by Balky001

Yes, forward observation is vitally important butt (get it) horse dropping shouldn't be left on the road either. Just as farmers have to remove mud then riders should remove poo.

Do they? Farmers around these parts regularly leave crap on the road. Anything from cow pats as the herd is crossing an A road to get to the other side (no jokes please!) through to mud/hay left behind from a tractor turning in/out of a field. Non of it is ever cleaned up.

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

Lies,dam lies and statistics,the greatest of which is statistics.

Blooming hell, did we have the same maths teacher? Those were his exact words almost daily! (Along with my Science teacher's "Welcome to the story that never ends.") Managed to get a groan every time.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

I dont see what the problem is, wait till you ride through cow sh*t, now that really is f*cking slippery.

Amen, last week as evidence. Luckily I'd slowed down because I'd seen a funny coloured line for a couple of hundred yards before the bend.

Right, that lot out the way...

The only thing that P's me off about horses, is horse boxes. Please ride the damn animals on the road, they're easier & safer to overtake than the box!

Other than that, carry on folks

hello again,

firstly im not saying to fly past someone, secondly i still dont see the difference between flying past someone deliberatey and leaving the poo mid corner as horse riders do...both endanger life and where horses walk is often country lanes where when you see it it is too late, but of course you may be rossi and be able to avoid it. The point is exactly what you said though, needlessly endangering peoples life when it doesnt need to be so.

and for the record nowhere did i say to bring in new laws...ok im cautious...and i have got myself a car for a whole world of other reasons other than danger of riding although that was a part of the decision.

I think we may have to agree to disagree. you are clearly passionate about horses, but please just think when you see your horse doing a poo mid lane, mid corner...who might that hurt.

If the law wasnt so rich toffee nosed biased, (not saying you are as this is the way it used to be) where horses were owned by the rich so they are allowed to do anything it may be considered wreckless endangerment of life to leave poo on the roads...it would be if it were oil put down there.

Ta

Andy

Originally Posted by silent

hello again,

firstly im not saying to fly past someone, secondly i still dont see the difference between flying past someone deliberatey and leaving the poo mid corner as horse riders do...both endanger life and where horses walk is often country lanes where when you see it it is too late, but of course you may be rossi and be able to avoid it.

I live in a rural area (as I said above), and commute in the same area. It's rare for me to venture near what most would call a town, let alone a city.

There are dozens of clues that you're about to come up on a potential horse crap.

For me, last week, the brown line down the middle of the road was only slight, but it was enough warning for my subconcious to register & me to back off for the bends. I didn't conciously think about it, and didn't see the cow pat I ran over, but because I'd slowed down, I stayed upright.

Horse craps? Same really. You can tell when you ride past a stable house. The majority of them aren't private, since they cost so damn much. So you have to assume it's a riding school. These have known routes. If you're local enough, you even know what time of day & what day of the week the school are out on the roads. Personally, I avoid riding roads I know are likely to have horses on them, mainly for the fact that it backs cars up a little.

Passing a small group of horses, esp on a known route is a good indication that more will be ahead too.

It's not all about what you see, it's about perception too. With that in mind, call me Rossi Even if only so you see me struggling to fit through doors 9/10 times I've avoided the slippy stuff, even mid corner. But then, I live here & deal with it daily.

Originally Posted by silent

I think we may have to agree to disagree. you are clearly passionate about horses, but please just think when you see your horse doing a poo mid lane, mid corner...who might that hurt.

It'd probably hurt you more if instead of having to avoid a 10 sq inch patch of horse**** you were to come zooming down the corner and found a horse trying to untie itself from a tree and the owner shovelling **** from the middle of said road... because they would have to do it sometime, no?

I'm against road crap as much as you, and that includes diesel spills, debris, horse and cow ****, WMV on mobiles, etc, but try to get real... horse**** in the middle of the road isn't deliberate, zooming past them at full chat is.

Originally Posted by silent

you are clearly passionate about horses, but please just think when you see your horse doing a poo mid lane, mid corner...who might that hurt.

Not at all, I've no interest in horses. I'm just mindful of all the petty spiteful laws being brought in to curtail our freedom as motorcyclists and I've no desire to see any more imposed on us, or any other minority group.

[fizzwheel]

Would you ride over a manhole cover on the apex of a corner on a wet day. No you'd avoid it. ( well I do anyway ) avoiding horse cr*p on the road is no different and horse cr*p on the road is a lot less common. yet nobody complains about poorly placed manhole / drain covers do they, you just accept it.