There's probably no god...

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

Difference between god and santa is; you aren't expected to believe in them your whole life .

that's a moot point, you believed despite being intelligent, therefore belief is not dependent on your IQ

your surname isn't really dawkins is it?

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by vixis

*laughing* but how is it the word of god?

as if to prove my point dramitcally, up pops an intelligent believer

Originally Posted by K

Doesn't mean I believe that either they are right, or I am right, or infact that anyone actually knows what is 'right'.

Nail. Head. 100%.

Re the debate about religion/science that appears to of emerged, there is a theory for middle ground. Research Germanic religion, then go on to the Nephilim (at this point you'll have an idea how the pyramids of Egypt were created etc), throw in a couple of UFOs (at least one of which is referenced in The Bible itself!).

When you think you understand the theory, do some more research on the terms at the fringe of understanding. Then come back.

Re the advert, The advertising company only have to prove that there is "probably no god" which is pretty easy, since they don't have to prove definitive existence.

Originally Posted by vixis

*laughing* but how is it the word of god? As I (to my shame) only read English, I read the KJV Bible in English, knowing that it is a translation from the Greek, Latin, Hebrew and probably more languages - I think its plausible that several words and phrases cant be translated into english from these languages (dont ask me which one and no I cant remember the expert who told me this).

I consider myself christian as I was raised catholic and Im not kosher lol. "Christian" in my definition is a person who tries, to the best of their ability, to follow the 10 commandments and who practices goodwill towards other lifeforms.

If you want a label - from what I understand of the labelling system, I think I would be considered a non-practisting Shinto (as it relates to nature) Christian with shades of reincarnationist. Complicated, who, me?

Hehe. Well Shinto is a whole new can of worms (good pun eh?!...nope )

As for the KJV version; just have a look at stories from all parts of the globe. You'd be surprised how often the likes of Noah pops up. So have the language/version of your choosing

Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf

that's a moot point, you believed despite being intelligent, therefore belief is not dependent on your IQ

your surname isn't really dawkins is it?

Hehe. Nope. But he's the closest to a god that we'll ever get

But the evidence I had at the time did suggest santa was real. I went to bed, I woke up - presents! woo!

God hasn't left me a present once; or shown me any sign he's there. And of course it's a he. Religion always stems from a backward, sexist state. Even god's missus Mary, wasn't allowed a bit of heaven love

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by vixis

I consider myself christian as I was raised catholic and Im not kosher lol. "Christian" in my definition is a person who tries, to the best of their ability, to follow the 10 commandments and who practices goodwill towards other lifeforms.

Which says nothing of belief in fairytales, that's just being a basically good person.

People mock religion, and sometimes rightly so, but people who see "something else" after death or some higher power than man aren't the problem, just their way of dealing with life. The people deserve the mocking are the fanatics and the bleeding-heart liberals.

As for people whinging about a sign on a bus, how insecure must they be in their faith to worry about that...

Anyway, whatever happens when you're dead, untill bushes start burning etc. (and I haven't been on the 'shrooms... ) then I'll still list my religion as jedi knight.

Originally Posted by K

Doesn't mean I believe that either they are right, or I am right, or infact that anyone actually knows what is 'right'.

Whether something is 'right' or not is irrelevant as you can never prove either way.

I just poured myself a glass of coke. At least I 'think' I did. After all, all the evidence suggests that I did. I even remember doing it, watching the ice float, and hearing the bubbles fizz up.

However

An alien race of chihuahuas, with limes for eyes may have flown down and implanted that thought in my head using a spoon made entirely from cheese (and I hate cheese), before then filling the glass up by squeezing diet coke from a rabbit (guinea pigs are the red coke, and you don't even want to know where Fanta comes from!).

I can't prove it either way. All I can do is look at the evidence and make an educated guess. Hell, I can't even prove the spoon was made from cheese!

Originally Posted by vixis

Well, you follow the "rules" or dont.

One of my kids grandparents (confusing way to explain it, but still) is a minister who preaches in a circuit of Methodist churches.

I know for a fact that this minister has broken at least 7 commandments, and regularly 5 of them.

Some people claiming to be "Christian" don't act it at all IMO, and others that claim to be "atheist" play by the rules more.

Originally Posted by Baph

One of my kids grandparents (confusing way to explain it, but still) is a minister who preaches in a circuit of Methodist churches.

I know for a fact that this minister has broken at least 7 commandments, and regularly 5 of them.

Some people claiming to be "Christian" don't act it at all IMO, and others that claim to be "atheist" play by the rules more.

Because we only have ourselves to answer to. Look at all the priests caught fondling young boys (which incidentally rather than address the situation, the pope tried to cover it up) they claim it was the devil acting on them. Not their fault! The devils.

I like it when thread titles state the obvious...