Overated bikes, or ones that you just dont get

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

Aye, but that could be down and probably is IMHO, to differences in riding style, rather than one bike being more fuel efficent than the other.

We were riding at the same speed, it was mostly straight riding, not so much fun, no drastic differences in speeds... so unless he doesn't use 6th gear.

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

We were riding at the same speed, it was mostly straight riding, not so much fun, no drastic differences in speeds... so unless he doesn't use 6th gear.

Yes but beans out of a corner up to specific speed or gently feeding her up to that speed affects it...There are more aspects, as you would well know.

Originally Posted by plowsie

Yes but beans out of a corner up to specific speed or gently feeding her up to that speed affects it...There are more aspects, as you would well know.

Indeed... But to make such a noted difference doing pretty much the same route at pretty much the same speed surely cant be entirely down to just the rider? Ah well... not to worry.

We can at least say the VTEC doesnt help by much if it does on fuel economy?

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Indeed... But to make such a noted difference doing pretty much the same route at pretty much the same speed surely cant be entirely down to just the rider?

What was he riding, I missed that, you were against the VFR's economy, so i'm guessing that?

And no reason why not, just ****ing and dordling in the wrong gears can hamper your economy.

[Paul the 6th]

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Well... buy what you want (more fuel ) Me and my mate with one did a 800 mile trip, he got 46mpg I got 54mpg.

you only weigh about 5 stone though don't you nick?

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

How many rectifiers you gone through?

one, in 41K on the bike, when I bought it.

How many chains you gone through

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

at least variable valve timing like the Kawa 1400GT?

VTEC IS variable valve timing

Not that it affects me... I have an earlier, non-VTEC model.

Originally Posted by Dan

VTEC IS variable valve timing

Not that it affects me... I have an earlier, non-VTEC model.

Not quite. VTEC = variable valve number. Normally Cams are setup to give max flow at a set RPM. If you have variable valve timing it means that you can set the CAMs most or maybe even all RPM's as it changes the timing and overlap accross the rev's to give Max flow at all revs. VTEC uses 2 valves at low RPM and 4 at high. Pretty different.

He hand on heart admitted that the 848 was the better bike and the best bike he'd ever ridden. I thought that was quite interesting.

That my pedigree chums is why one current has one as ones steed! Although you probably wont get a 10/1198 owner admitting it too often.

Seen one. It look terrible, it sounds terrible (Like and over silenced VFR), its whey too expensive

Now I really like this bike, its a very very special piece of engineering. But, it is totally and utterly pointless on the road.

The Desmosedici IS truely special. The noise its makes is akin to a highly honed Ferrari, its not so good looking but everything else about it is stunning. HOWEVER.............if the 40k was there I would take my chances on an RSV4, reportedly more managable on the public highways and 25k cheaper!

[QUOTEThe thing that was oh so good about the SV for me, it was an all over bike that would do all tasks, and would live up to the twisties too.][/QUOTE]

The SV ticks so many boxes from budget to ability it had to be a hit!

my Tornado is up for sale at the mo because it's just too much on the road (already got 9 points)

Dont worry you'll not get any more points - its never gonna start with all this nice weather!

848 / 1098 / 1198

Dont get this either, looks like a jap bike and looks very cheaply made i.e. quality of plastics etc etc, and the fact it looks like Mr Blobby has done the welding on the swing arrm, sure as eggs are eggs I'd not want to buy a Duke with a wet clutch either.

Drop dead gorgeous looks, styled with function and form in harmony, fantastic engines and only the 848 has a wet clutch (so I read) - not sure I would want one as a road bike but still - I "get" them which is the point of this thread

See answer above!!!! Wet clutch no issue so far!

Please note that I am defending the 848 but not necessarily the 10/1198! Suprised that I havent been shot down for my remarks on the 675!

nb650

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Not quite. VTEC = variable valve number. Normally Cams are setup to give max flow at a set RPM. If you have variable valve timing it means that you can set the CAMs most or maybe even all RPM's as it changes the timing and overlap accross the rev's to give Max flow at all revs. VTEC uses 2 valves at low RPM and 4 at high. Pretty different.

I understand VTEC/VVTi/VVTLi/VVC etc ... your explanation is somewhat simplistic.

VTEC as a technology introduced by Honda is Variable Valve Timing Electronic Control. Most VTEC systems in Honda engines combine altered lift/valve dwell with the ability to step 'on or off' cams, which can be used to open more or fewer valves as well.

There's some argument as to whether the VTEC implementation on Honda motorcycle engines 'counts' as really belonging to Honda's VTEC 'family', as it works in a slightly different way to the car engines' system.

Strictly speaking, the VFR's VTEC system doesn't quite work on the basis of 2 or 4 valves - the 2nd pair of valves are usually opening to some extent even before the VTEC 'step', just not very much. Once the oil-pressure actuated cam comes 'on' they just open more. Even if this wasn't the case, one can argue that this is the very definition of variable timing - the variability being, in this case, from 0 degrees open to X degrees open.