ID Cards

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by Baph

My gym membership card is very similar to the above. Only it relies almost solely on a barcode. Scan the barcode & a photo of my ugly mug comes up on the computer (not the picture to the left of this post though!). If the picture looks like me, I can use the gym. If it doesn't, I can't.

I don't see why the government feel the need to over complicate things. Why not just add a barcode to the driving licence & use that without taking extra data?

My system allows for trivial check without the use of electronics - so places that would accept a Driving Licence would not need the cross-check - again keeping
it simple.

Speaking of Driving Licenses, this card would also work as such, with people who need to know about entitlement etc, being able to look your record up online using the UID

[yorkie_chris]

Because the DVLA would lose your categories and would think that you were only allowed to drive an HGV to Bratislava on every second Wednesday afternoon rather than ride your bike to work?

[timwilky]

Would it not be cheaper/easier/simpler to tattoo a unique identification number on everyone.

I would suggest on the forehead so it is obvious who has not got one and you cannot get away with hacking your head off unlike your arm to disguise your identity

At death your head would be sent to government department who would then verify the number and remove you from the database.

simples

[ophic]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Fingerprints kept on record is the domain of criminals, everyone else should have thier privacy respected!

Unfortunately this isn't true anymore. Anyone who is arrested has to provide their fingerprints and a DNA sample. Being arrested on suspicion of something does not make you a criminal.

There is a huge difference between having/asking for/being compelled to hold an ID card for gym membership driving a car joining the army whatever, and having to hold one to EXIST! This is a fundamental erosion of our human rights foisted upon us by a transitory goverment who should be answerable to US not us to THEM. Your personal data is yours to control and it is not within anybody else's right to demand unless a law has been broken or it seems reasonable to assume that one is about to be broken. Aren't we all still innocent until proven guilty? I'm not sure I want to live in a state that assumes otherwise. As for nefarious reasons for wanting the data and the security of it....well it'll be linked to your nectar card before you know it! Anybody remember the case of the Inland revenue who prosecuted somebody because his claimed income was below what they could show he was spending at a supermarket? Not for me.... nooooooo waaaayy...

Originally Posted by skidmarx

There is a huge difference between having/asking for/being compelled to hold an ID card for gym membership driving a car joining the army whatever, and having to hold one to EXIST! This is a fundamental erosion of our human rights foisted upon us by a transitory goverment who should be answerable to US not us to THEM. Your personal data is yours to control and it is not within anybody else's right to demand unless a law has been broken or it seems reasonable to assume that one is about to be broken. Aren't we all still innocent until proven guilty? I'm not sure I want to live in a state that assumes otherwise. As for nefarious reasons for wanting the data and the security of it....well it'll be linked to your nectar card before you know it! Anybody remember the case of the Inland revenue who prosecuted somebody because his claimed income was below what they could show he was spending at a supermarket? Not for me.... nooooooo waaaayy...

Here's some numbers for you to ponder over, to see how fear and politics are so closely intertwined:

Deaths - Swine Flu - 31 (World total)
Deaths - July 7th attacks - 51 (Total)
Deaths - Drugs - 400 (UK Annual)
Deaths - Violence - 500 (UK Annual)
Deaths - Traffic - 3500 (UK Annual)
Deaths - Alcohol - 9000 (UK Annual)
Deaths - Normal Flu - 11,000 (UK Annual)
Deaths - Civlians in Iraq - 90,000 (2003-present)
Deaths - Smoking - 115,000 (UK Annual)
Cost of ID Cards - 5,300,000,000 (£)

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by skidmarx

As for nefarious reasons for wanting the data and the security of it....well it'll be linked to your nectar card before you know it! Anybody remember the case of the Inland revenue who prosecuted somebody because his claimed income was below what they could show he was spending at a supermarket? Not for me.... nooooooo waaaayy...

Ok so I can see your point and I agree to a large degree, but in the end the scrote in question WAS stealing from you and me.

One of the reasons I dont have a Nectar card and none of my Oyster Cards are registered.

[Viney]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

Can anyone see the point of them? Would anyone accept it?

I hope any airport workers on here will refuse them outright.

I will NEVER carry one, nor have any biometric data taken out of principle

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Nothing to hide, so no reason not to carry one at all. What i do object to is the fact that we have to pay for it!! If it replaced the need for a passport, driving licence, oystercard, then it would seem good value for money, but thats not going to happen.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

...think that you were only allowed to drive an HGV to Bratislava on every second Wednesday afternoon rather than ride your bike to work?

Beats working for a living!

Originally Posted by Viney

Nothing to hide, so no reason not to carry one at all. What i do object to is the fact that we have to pay for it!! If it replaced the need for a passport, driving licence, oystercard, then it would seem good value for money, but thats not going to happen.

'Nothing to hide' doesn't count when you have a government who insists on bringing in new laws without any consent.

It's all about it being a slippery slope from which we can't return.