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Old 23-10-09, 02:44 PM   #81
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I would like to meet the person who has the guts to go and start shouting that in a council estate,easy to do sitting behind a keyboard
Why can't we come and shout that in a council estate? Would we be met with reasoned debate, or do we have something to fear?

I think I know the answer.
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Old 23-10-09, 03:41 PM   #82
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You lot crease me up----"Barely literate council estate folks" who were probably the working classes who served in two world wars to give this country its freedom. I come from a council estate in a mining community I am not an inbred and I would like to meet the person who has the guts to go and start shouting that in a council estate,easy to do sitting behind a keyboard
What about the police protection given to the hate preachers on the other side of the fence,racism works two ways but you seem blinkered, and only looking at it with tunnel vision. Who commit the most race/religious crimes? sorry are the white population planning bombings and flying planes into buildings.
Can you have the same freedom in Muslim countries as they have here ?
DT, fully agree with your points, im also from a council estate and not an in bred, but i get YC's point also.
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tbh i think they way they treated thy guy showed a huge lack of all the things britain claims to pride itself on, freedom of speech, tolerance and an openness to debate with those of other views.

This Govt wants us to believe they are actively in "dialogue" with extremists muslims in this country to try and change their minds for example. Really? an elected MEP (whether any of us like that or not, its the case) cant even get a fair debate without being shouted down, are we really in dialogue with extremists?

i dont agree with a lot of his views but dammit the debate we've had on here regarding the rights and wrongs of the current immigration system has been far more in depth than anything they had last night.

Jack Straw is far more of a figure of hate to me than griffin is tbh. At least griffin gives his view, straw just waffles and waffles and brings in many other points that have nothing to do with the question put to him, like the pro politico he is, but thankfully Dimbleby pulled him up and made him answer the question instead of spouting irrelevant tripe...and then the smarmy git says "i already answered you". God i hate that man.
I agree, all jack straw done last night was reel off history, no real opposition to BNP's policies.

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tbh with you i feel the same way whether its a town full of Polish, Indian, Muslims, British Whites etc.

Whilst on holiday in parts of Cornwall last year by bike it was very intimidating for me to pull up into little towns where almost every pub shop and house had flags hanging outside showing they were brits. You have any idea how unwelcoming that was for me? And i've been here since i was 6.

Disagree there spidey, i dont feel you should feel intimidated because of a british flag, majority are just being patriotic.
You do get more flags down s/west for some reason, but you also get that a lot in USA, its mostly showing alegience to the nation.

Racism works in many many ways and exists for many many reasons.

lets not get into the whole 9/11 debate here but there are a huge number of people who dont believe that ANY muslims were behind those attacks. And lets not forget the israeli company who admits to forwarded texts on the day that warned jewish employees not to go to work that day.

now whats worse in my mind is not the terrorism but the fact that someone knew of the impending attack and chose only to tell some who they thought were worthy of life and let the rest die. That is an even worse form of terrorism in my eyes.

However if it were up to me i'd take a leaf out the Frenchies handbook and ban all public displays of religion, including turbans and religious beards as well as skull caps etc. i see no reason why people should show division in such an obvious visual way, keep that for your place or religion and your home. But we are way too far gone down a different road for that to work in this country now.
I do fully agree with you on this one though, religion has a lot to answer for, far more than colour of our skins.

Nick griffin, if the BNP want to be taken seriously, needs to step down cos his past is overshadowing anything else and get someone in who's squeaky clean and can be taken seriously.
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Old 23-10-09, 04:04 PM   #83
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All I am trying to say in all this debacle is that there is a much bigger picture than just the BNP and Griffin.
I am not racist, homophobic or religious----everybody to their own but don't try and ram it down my throat. What I do indoors or think in my head is for me to decide.
What is done in the name of whatever in public is a different matter as this can influence a lot of people who can't reason and form on opinion of their own and these groups play on this.
We live in a democratic[allegedly] society and the power we have is, as a voter, therefore if a party or person is using their entitlement to free speech I have the choice to listen or not listen but everybody has to be given this equal opportunity to do this providing what is being said doesn't contravene race/religious/hatred laws.
I do try and keep a broad spectrum so that I can form an educated opinion as to what I consider the best policy and vote accordingly
Unfortunately we are all different in this,thus the different parties, and I have yet to find the one that fits my perfect ideals so I use what is available out of a bad lot.

I just think that classifying people and putting them down for what they are is not the answer,hence my somewhat controversial replies
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Old 23-10-09, 04:09 PM   #84
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By the way I have found this an interesting debate.
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Old 23-10-09, 04:10 PM   #85
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I just think that classifying people and putting them down for what they are is not the answer,hence my somewhat controversial replies
Of course it is the answer, if I had to classify people as individuals it would take ages. Stereotypes are a very convenient way of slating whole swathes of the population in manageable chunks
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Old 23-10-09, 04:21 PM   #86
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Another point, Following on from what YC said regarding sterotypes, we all probably have some kinda view about certain races or nations which could be perceived as racist by some, but the fact of the matter is majority of us make up our minds on people who we meet in our day to day lives regardless of colour etc, some are dicks some are good people.
I find some other cultures fascinating, i have spoken to a lot of indian doctors who have been colleagues of my wife and they have been really interesting people, far more so than some english .
What im saying is, we might all think dont want bloody germans or pakistanis or muslims or whoever over here but individuals when we meet them we relax our views on them as we have actually met them and got on with them.
Struggling to get my point across so if i have confused anybody then that makes two of us.
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Old 23-10-09, 07:00 PM   #87
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oi you lot i live on a council estate, even if i have bought the house, well the bank has, and if i find out where you live i'll come and put your windows through, reet.
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Old 23-10-09, 07:57 PM   #88
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well I thought it was an Ok programme - but it was centred on the BNP.. which it was always likely to be-- which is what he wanted..
We live in a democracy - a million folk voted for him so he has the right to be on there..

However, there is a postal strike on and it wasnt discussed. it seemed to be a set up with a hand picked audience that wanted to hang draw and quarter him.. bit of a witch hunt really I thought rather than the usual debate that question time is..
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Old 24-10-09, 12:44 AM   #89
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it did seem very immature and like a mob picking on one guy instead of a reasoned and sound debate on important issues waste of time tbh it just showed them all up.
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Old 24-10-09, 02:30 AM   #90
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Struggling to get my point across so if i have confused anybody then that makes two of us.
So what you are saying is that you a pre-disposed to dislike other nationalities until you meet and get to know them on a personal level?

If that is the case then, everyone who is not from the UK, should probably view the UK population as a bunch of football yobs who pretty much get into a fight with foreign fans every single time they attend and international sporting event!

I am from the UK, but for the past 3 years have lived in a number of different countries. I also work in an industry where I have a lot of foreign colleagues. One thing I have come to realise from this experience is how much the British population is prejudiced against other nationalities. My family is like this and makes me feel embarrased to be British sometimes.
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