The venue.

[Dappa D]

excellent location not too far.....be good for mofo's (any left?) and south west lot to ride over together but guess thatll be sorted nearer the time...

cant wait!!!

[Bear]

...ring ...

Lozzo, you need to take me up the alps road!

:twisted:

Well, I'm really looking forward to it. Strangely though, can I ask that AR10 (Yeah, I know I'm planning FAR too far in advance) is further away from home? I really liked the monster miles there and back we had on the AR07!

[startrek.steve]

well quick route plan 555.0 miles taking :smt046 11 hr 12 min :smt046,

Actually that may be true as will probably have to fill up with petrol 7 times on that journey:rolleyes:! Hope to still be there though!

Hmm 163 for me...

[Alpinestarhero]

nah it probably wouldnt be the sv i take:rolleyes::o

Ohhh

TL1000s?

Might be more than 7 stops then :smt040

[Alpinestarhero]

:twisted:

Well, I'm really looking forward to it. Strangely though, can I ask that AR10 (Yeah, I know I'm planning FAR too far in advance) is further away from home? I really liked the monster miles there and back we had on the AR07!

I didnt think it was too far, anything within one tank is pretty alright as far as im concerned. But then im used to riding to brighton?

I'd like to do a 200 mile trip for AR10, burn it up with the Soho Mahoosive

[dizzyblonde]

Ohhh

TL1000s?

Might be more than 7 stops then :smt040
the raptors the TL engine, and down the motorway it matches the SV fuel efficiency better than you'd think. Its just in queues of traffic in and around town they fail
I'd imagine the original won't be far off either

gah ..you lot should be riding further...lol. Its always us northereners that have t travel further;-)

[rictus01]

gah ..you lot should be riding further...lol. Its always us northereners that have t travel further;-)

AR07, what 20-30 miles Lou ? how quickly they forget........;)

Cheers Mark.

[aarond]

the raptors the TL engine, and down the motorway it matches the SV fuel efficiency better than you'd think. Its just in queues of traffic in and around town they fail
I'd imagine the original won't be far off either

gah ..you lot should be riding further...lol. Its always us northereners that have t travel further;-)


We will see just depends if can take it "easy" on the boringway!:rolleyes:

[Bear]

I didnt think it was too far, anything within one tank is pretty alright as far as im concerned. But then im used to riding to brighton?

I'd like to do a 200 mile trip for AR10, burn it up with the Soho Mahoosive

Hmm, I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. AR08 wasn't far away at all, AR07 was more like it, I felt a spirit of adventure going that far away. AR09 is on the doorstep again, so I'd like AR10 to be further afield again if possible.

Obviously it depends on the good will and help of locals in organising rides, campsites and the like.

[dizzyblonde]

AR07, what 20-30 miles Lou ? how quickly they forget........;)

Cheers Mark.

Aye, but three weeks before I'd been to norfolk and back to pick up bambikiller, then 4 weeks after the AR I went and did 1600 miles to Fraance and back.....have wheels will travel:cheers:

Think Austwick were further than 20-30 miles anyhoo

[Alpinestarhero]

Hmm, I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. AR08 wasn't far away at all, AR07 was more like it, I felt a spirit of adventure going that far away. AR09 is on the doorstep again, so I'd like AR10 to be further afield again if possible.

Obviously it depends on the good will and help of locals in organising rides, campsites and the like.

Ah, hang on, i was thinking AR08

as you were!

I'm sure we can plan a really good ride to AR10? a Soho Massive Mini Annual Rideout?

[Baz]

Looks like the Aberdeen contingent will have to overnight in Glasgow and get p*ssed then. You can camp in the back garden and even use the bathroom if you wipe your feet. Sorted!

In all seriousness I think an overnight on the way down would be a very good idea otherwise it'll have to be travailing through the night.

[hovis]

between 250 and 300 miles for me.......... depending on north or south anglia, and the route to be taken

:cool:

[Grinch]

I'll go anywhere... don't care.

[Mr Speirs]

I suppose I could travel all that way to get there :) ;)

[SoulKiss]

Hmm, I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. AR08 wasn't far away at all, AR07 was more like it, I felt a spirit of adventure going that far away. AR09 is on the doorstep again, so I'd like AR10 to be further afield again if possible.

Obviously it depends on the good will and help of locals in organising rides, campsites and the like.

Well if Filipe wont come to the AR............

[Grinch]

I'm happy to travel across the waters...

[Seggons]

My landlady lives there, she's got a Rangie and a Morgan with V8 *** private plates, nice lady. Her husband is a biker too.

That sounds like the posh side of Tempsford (Tempsford got split into 2 when the A1 was built).

Seggons, do you know Dave with a zx9r and his misses with a 7r? He taught me to ride.

Is it a green zx9r? If so then I've seen him but don't know him. He must be a good rider because he was doing 20 mph down my road when it was as icy as hell recently. :D

[Sean_C]

That sounds like the posh side of Tempsford (Tempsford got split into 2 when the A1 was built).



Is it a green zx9r? If so then I've seen him but don't know him. He must be a good rider because he was doing 20 mph down my road when it was as icy as hell recently. :D


It is, and yes, he is an excellent rider. Mesmerising infact..

[Kilted Ginger]

about 400 miles and 8 hours riding for us kilt wearers;)
May have to do an overnighter. Ok who's got spare floor space?

[dizzyblonde]

If you set off early enough you'll be there for tea time ish. I've done 500 in a day.
I'd offer my floor space, but theres more room on the roof than there is in the hosue :-(

[Kilted Ginger]

aw dizz, I was getting excited there for a minute;)

[ArtyLady]

...the hosue :-(

Whats one of them then? ;) :lol:

[dizzyblonde]

Whats one of them then? ;) :lol:

:rolleyes: I have no idea,:smt115 house its supposed to say

[ArtyLady]

:rolleyes: I have no idea,:smt115 house its supposed to say

I guessed that ;)

[Lozzo]

That sounds like the posh side of Tempsford (Tempsford got split into 2 when the A1 was built).



Is it a green zx9r? If so then I've seen him but don't know him. He must be a good rider because he was doing 20 mph down my road when it was as icy as hell recently. :D

No, he has old Laverdas

[Lozzo]

Well there is the Rutland ring route also, not a bad route.

Lozzo, you need to take me out on this alps road!

It's a blindingly fast road with some challenging bends

[Lozzo]

Hmm, I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. AR08 wasn't far away at all, AR07 was more like it, I felt a spirit of adventure going that far away. AR09 is on the doorstep again, so I'd like AR10 to be further afield again if possible.



A few years ago I was seeing a lass from Larkhall just south of Glasgow. I would spend every other weekend up there, travelling by ZZR1100 all year round. It was 375 miles door to door and I'd manage that in just over 5 hours on a Friday evening with one (some days two) fuel stop(s). I'd knock off early from work and jump on the bike as soon as I was changed into leathers, usually leaving at about 4pm, and just go as fast as I could up the M1 until I got to the M6 then decide which way from there depending on weather. If it was lookng like snowing I'd go M6 because I knew the A66 would be perilous. If the sun was shining I'd always take the M1/A1/A66 route to Penrith and then up the motorway from there because it was faster.

Having also done the south of France for a long weekend 2-up on a VF400F with full camping kit for two, long distances don't bother me at all.

[aarond]

i regularly go fraserburgh to Lincoln on the bike, not a big distance by any means but its a start! Average speed last time including petrol stops 76mph!!! :smt040:smt040

[yorkie_chris]

Once again the offer is open if any of you scots lot want to stay at mine on the way down.

[aarond]

Once again the offer is open if any of you scots lot want to stay at mine on the way down.

cheers will probably take you up on offers like these but a bit closer to the time

[Baz]

cheers will probably take you up on offers like these but a bit closer to the time

Big +1 on that.

[_Stretchie_]

Mofo's mount up

; )

[Stig]

First post edited.

[Sean_C]

Here? (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=althorne&sll=52.221911,0.468292&sspn=0.100323,0.269852&ie=UTF8&ll=51.659459,0.762005&spn=0.025397,0.067463&z=14)

[yorkie_chris]

230 miles for me

[fizzwheel]

194 miles for us, just about right :cool:

[Tiger 55]

Once again the offer is open if any of you scots lot want to stay at mine on the way down.

cheers will probably take you up on offers like these but a bit closer to the time

Big +1 on that.
And another Big +1!

That's 3 and it's only December...

[yorkie_chris]

Loads of room. Bring beer.

[Frank]

Mofo's mount up

; )
Are there any left?

[yorkie_chris]

Seriously if there are more bikes than garage will hold then will convince the parents to sod off for the night and put 2 in the kitchen.

[Skip]

Shame - thats about as far away you can get from me and still be in East Anglia! 110 miles from my house - hey ho

[chris8886]

Shame - thats about as far away you can get from me and still be in East Anglia! 110 miles from my house - hey ho

i don't live in east anglia and i'm closer!! lol. only 67 miles for me :D

[mattSV]

We'll be there - will either get MrsMatt to drive up with tent, chairs, gazebo etc and I'll ride up, or we will trailer the bike again.

Yes I know it is cheating :smt019

[Tim in Belgium]

as this chosen to make it easy for "him in Belgium"

Thanks ;) near enough to Harwich.

[Frank]

Thanks ;) near enough to Harwich.
took ur time to find that post mate

[Tim in Belgium]

Given the gentler nature of the ride out I may buy a "classic" bike to come on over for this. Watch this space....

[Messie]

i don't live in east anglia and i'm closer!! lol. only 67 miles for me :D

Oi don't moan.

That's what I do to get to Soho massive and back each time!!!


Mwah xx

[dizzyblonde]

Loads of room. Bring beer.

Seriously if there are more bikes than garage will hold then will convince the parents to sod off for the night and put 2 in the kitchen.


I've had an:smt115. Have all the bikes at my gaff and they guys sleep at yours. You've got more floor space than me, but I've got more flat paved space front n back for 12:mrgreen: or more. If I can get a Harley 1340 dyno round the back, I'm sure I can get some more SVs round there :-)

just an idea of course

[Baph]

Right, now the venue is posted...

Google maps reckons 5h19, down the motorways. Boring & I don't want square tyres.

A little dragging & dropping of the route to avoid the A55, M56, M6 (mostly), M1 (mostly) and M25... I'm at 6h 19. A few more tweeks and I'm at 6h 21. 281miles.

Easily do-able, and I can cover probably 80% of the route without looking at a map.

EDIT: Or there's a nice looking marina just south of the place the AR is being held. Wonder if I can talk my mate into bringing his boat with me. Though getting the bike off at the other end may be a bit of a challenge. Would I win a prize for the best way to get to the AR? :D

[Messie]

Hey there's Burnham On Crouch just down the road or Maldon in the other direction. Neither is a comercial port but all sorts of craft land there all the time. A bit yacht club ish but OK

[ArtyLady]

Wayhay!!! only down the road! :cool: :-D there really is no excuse for me then now is there! ;)

[Baph]

Wayhay!!! only down the road! :cool: :-D there really is no excuse for me then now is there! ;)

Why do you think the organisers put it there? All that moaning from some old granny! :mrgreen:

*runs, very quickly...* :lol:

[ArtyLady]

Why do you think the organisers put it there? All that moaning from some old granny! :mrgreen:

*runs, very quickly...* :lol:

Blimey I had better make sure Im there then hadnt I!! ;)

[wyrdness]

i don't live in east anglia and i'm closer!! lol. only 67 miles for me :D

I'm in London and it's only 57 miles. I was born in Maldon and grew up not far from there.

[dizzyblonde]

I see a cunning plan coming on..AR one weekend, pack up and ride to Dover, over the pond straight down to Bordeaux

[Baph]

I see a cunning plan coming on..AR one weekend, pack up and ride to Dover, over the pond straight down to Bordeaux
Now then, I've been meaning to get to France on the bike... :D

[phil24_7]

We'll be there - will either get MrsMatt to drive up with tent, chairs, gazebo etc and I'll ride up, or we will trailer the bike again.

Yes I know it is cheating :smt019

What trailer is it you have again?

[dizzyblonde]

Now then, I've been meaning to get to France on the bike... :D

well YC did say any closer and you'd be in France...lol:mrgreen: I got down to the midst of France in one piece last time without getting us lost, I'm sure i could do the same again!.....but its a bloody long feckin way

[Dan]

Chelmsford?

Bit too close to my youth for me, I'm afraid. :shaking:

See you at AR10 chaps.

[ArtyLady]

Chelmsford?

Bit too close to my youth for me, I'm afraid. :shaking:

See you at AR10 chaps.

It's about 20 miles away from Chelmsford, hth

[Dan]

It's about 20 miles away from Chelmsford, hth

I know, I was born and brought up in Essex. Lived there for 26 years.

Seen enough of East Anglia to last me a lifetime I'm afraid. Honestly don't understand what people see in the South East since I moved North. Too busy, too miserable, too wallet-obsessed, and too bloody flat.

In the nicest possible way, of course :D

[ArtyLady]

I know, I was born and brought up in Essex. Lived there for 26 years.

Seen enough of East Anglia to last me a lifetime I'm afraid. Honestly don't understand what people see in the South East since I moved North. Too busy, too miserable, too wallet-obsessed, and too bloody flat.

In the nicest possible way, of course :D

Well its always been my neck of the woods and I like it - wouldnt want to live anywhere else :cool:

[dizzyblonde]

Too busy, too miserable, too wallet-obsessed, and too bloody flat.

In the nicest possible way, of course :D

lol, although I may be getting excited at the prospect of another AR, Im Indoors is still adamant he ain't going. When he saw it was East Anglia (we presumed it would be a bit higher up) he said no, and when he comes home later and sees its in Essex..he'll put his foot down and sulk:( he wanted to see it up your neck of the woods Dan, so at this moment in time, I may be going on my own.
This is no way a poke at anybody involved, its just hes travelled to many a place on his bikes, all over the country and down south that a way is the least favourite place he would go.....I had to drag him to Somerset kicking and screaming:twisted:

[ArtyLady]

There are some beautiful picturesque villages in Essex (and surrounding counties) and some excellent roads to ride :cool:

[Mr Speirs]

Why do you think the organisers put it there?

Dunno I've already asked but not been given a straight answer.
I thought the AR was gunna be in the EA region not the Essex side of things.

[ArtyLady]

Dunno I've already asked but not been given a straight answer.
I thought the AR was gunna be in the EA region not the Essex side of things.

Essex is in the EA region!

[dizzyblonde]

I think a fair few were under the assumption that it was going to be held further up and more central in the EA region.

[Mr Speirs]

What I meant was there was a post in the East Anglia bit of this forum saying it was being held there. But it's in Essex which has it's own forum region.

[dizzyblonde]

Yes. I had noticed that one too. TBH I didn't know Essex was part of EA, but then geography never was my strong point:oops:

Now finding a Place I've never been to on blonde directions....now that I'm good at;)

[northwind]

Awesome, it's only about 360 miles from my house! And not just an entire day on the M6 as it has been every other year. And a bit of the country I've never been to. Result! Might just try and hit it in one day this year.

I know for a few people it'll be a bit far east or south but then last year was a bit far west and south for many, and the year before a bit far west and north. Short of having it in Sheffield every year not everyone can ever be totally happy, but for me the fact that it's in a whole different end of the country is a good thing. Plus, look, people are talking about coming from Aberdeen!

Dunno I've already asked but not been given a straight answer.


I'm not sure myself but having done stuff like this myself you usually look for a geographic area first, then a base site (ie suitable campsites, ideally with a backup site) and THEN you worry about routes. But for the AR the most important part is finding people who'll actually organise it, which is really a massive commitment and not something many people will take on. So, it was probably a mix of all of those factors. Becuase it's so much more than just a rideout, the organisation team are absolutely critical to everything.

We had a big map of the UK on the wall. I had a blindfold on, was spun round a few times and then stuck a pin in the map. :wink:

The other two options were Kirkwall, and the bristol channel.

I've done 500 in a day.

I think I've seen that DVD.

[Supervox]

I've done 500 in a day.

I think I've seen that DVD.

Well, that's the entertainment for Saturday night taken of then !! ;)

[Messie]

Please don't make harsh and stereotypical judgements about the venue for AR09. Sure there are some bits of Essex that are none too pretty but there are very many unusually attractive and unexpectedly interesting bits as well.

Some of the roads we'll be going on a great and hopefully you'll find us a warm and welcoming bunch of people.

But I suppose if you can't get past the blinkered view then best stay away (but you'll miss a really great week end ;))

[fizzwheel]

lol, although I may be getting excited at the prospect of another AR, Im Indoors is still adamant he ain't going.

So leave the miserable so and so at home then. ;)

I dont see the location matters one little bit, for alot of people its about the gathering of people together and socialising rather than the rideout route itself.

I really fail to understand what the problem is with the location... I dont think there is one. I think it will be a cracking weekend and its not one I am going to miss out on.

The best thing about these weekends, is that somebody local plans the route. If they are like we were for AR08 they'll want to show off the area and they'll take you around the best pieces of road the area has to offer.

Those of you that made assumptions, remember Assume makes an ass out of U and Me ;)

The area has been chosen simply because for AR09 that is the best place in the country to go. Simple as that.

[mattSV]

What trailer is it you have again?

Hired it this year, however might have an option to make one from scratch for next year....

[Lozzo]

Please don't make harsh and stereotypical judgements about the venue for AR09. Sure there are some bits of Essex that are none too pretty but there are very many unusually attractive and unexpectedly interesting bits as well.



I was under the impression the AR was more about the people attending than the venue, though being guaranteed local accents the majority of us from Her Majesty's Glorious South can understand will be a distinct advantage.

If some people don't want to come purely because it's in Essex, then I for one couldn't give a monkey's. They're the ones who'll be missing out on the wonderful Burnham bends and the excellent company the org offers.

[yorkie_chris]

I was under the impression the AR was more about the people attending than the venue, though being guaranteed local accents the majority of us from Her Majesty's Glorious South can understand will be a distinct advantage.

Aye but what of us who can speak the language proper' eh?

[Lozzo]

With a grandad who was a half Irish half Scots Scouse, Maltese parents, an ex-wife from Carlisle and having lived all over the UK, I'm pretty good at making sense of the almost criminal attrocities that are heard against our language across this magnificent land.

[yorkie_chris]

Aye I suppose you'd have to be to live "dahn sarf"

[Bear]

...there are very many unusually attractive and unexpectedly interesting bits as well.

Are you talking about your chest again?

...warm and welcoming ...


I KNEW it! :smt040

With a grandad who was a half Irish half Scots Scouse, Maltese parents, an ex-wife from Carlisle and having lived all over the UK, I'm pretty good at making sense of the almost criminal attrocities that are heard against our language across this magnificent land.

You forgot to mention "as a fluent speaker of gibberish myself..."

Any ideas for where in EAR it's gonna be yet? Or am I getting excited and humping legs too early?

[Stig]

As much as I would love to find a venue that every single person on the org said great too, it isn't going to happen. It is a fact that where ever the location was going to be, there would be a few people that would not be happy with it. It is not a case of think I don't care. It is a case of it doesn't matter.

The venue is not going to change. You will either decide the distance required to get there does not matter, the location does not matter and all that does matter is meeting everyone again for a fantastic weekend of socialising and drinking. Or you will say f'k that, I'm not going if it is there, and you miss out on a brilliant weekend. The choice as they say, is all yours.

[Lozzo]

As much as I would love to find a venue that every single person on the org said great too, it isn't going to happen. It is a fact that where ever the location was going to be, there would be a few people that would not be happy with it. It is not a case of think I don't care. It is a case of it doesn't matter.

The venue is not going to change. You will either decide the distance required to get there does not matter, the location does not matter and all that does matter is meeting everyone again for a fantastic weekend of socialising and drinking. Or you will say f'k that, I'm not going if it is there, and you miss out on a brilliant weekend. The choice as they say, is all yours.

+1

[chris8886]

Oi don't moan.

That's what I do to get to Soho massive and back each time!!!


Mwah xx

i wasn't moaning mum :p

As much as I would love to find a venue that every single person on the org said great too, it isn't going to happen. It is a fact that where ever the location was going to be, there would be a few people that would not be happy with it. It is not a case of think I don't care. It is a case of it doesn't matter.

The venue is not going to change. You will either decide the distance required to get there does not matter, the location does not matter and all that does matter is meeting everyone again for a fantastic weekend of socialising and drinking. Or you will say f'k that, I'm not going if it is there, and you miss out on a brilliant weekend. The choice as they say, is all yours.

here, here. very well put!

[Messie]

Are you talking about your chest again?

No but


I KNEW it! :smt040

well for you huni


You forgot to mention "as a fluent speaker of gibberish myself..."

Any ideas for where in EAR it's gonna be yet? Or am I getting excited and humping legs too early?

Shhh keeping it close to said chest! Just where you like it

or ...

look again at the first post :p

[Blue Flame]

Interesting choice of venue.

Looking forward to it. !!

[missyburd]

230 miles for me

and me....?

Wayhay!!! only down the road! :cool: :-D there really is no excuse for me then now is there! ;)

Haha, that's right, NO excuse :p


I think I've seen that DVD.

LOL


The venue is not going to change. You will either decide the distance required to get there does not matter, the location does not matter and all that does matter is meeting everyone again for a fantastic weekend of socialising and drinking. Or you will say f'k that, I'm not going if it is there, and you miss out on a brilliant weekend. The choice as they say, is all yours.

Indeed. With AR07 in the Dales and AR08 in Somarrrset we figured it would be somewhere in the middle-ish! Can never please everyone, absolutely no point trying lol. I'm more than happy with the location, it's somewhere I haven't been! I love new places and the fact I'll (hopefully) be pillioning it too then even better :-D

[wyrdness]

There are some beautiful picturesque villages in Essex (and surrounding counties) and some excellent roads to ride :cool:

Exactly. Parts of Essex are very underrated.

I've never managed to get to an AR, but I've already told Mrs Wyrdness that I intend to go next year.

[dizzyblonde]

I think I've seen that DVD.

:smt079

Well, that's the entertainment for Saturday night taken of then !! ;)
:smt079

So leave the miserable so and so at home then. ;)

I dont see the location matters one little bit, for alot of people its about the gathering of people together and socialising rather than the rideout route itself.

.

Hes had a sense of humour failure at the mo:( I'll probably have a much better time leaving the miserable toad at home anyways..I've already been considering it, in fact I may even leave the country too...lol...see a cunning plan is unfolding, i've got months to butter him up, and make him realise that there perhaps might be another adventure on the cards....
and if we do get him down there, I think we should all kidnap him and deliver him to bear for a hug:p

[Supervox]

. . . They're the ones who'll be missing out on the wonderful Burnham bends and the excellent company the org offers.

Yay !! We can please someone at last !!

I can categorically state that the Burnham Bends will *definitely* be a part of the route.

I'm currently working on several variations of a basic route, but they all involve the BB's. :cool:

[dizzyblonde]

I have heard of these Burnham bends, in fact I've seen these Burnham bends me finks down the lens of one of Rictus's vids :-)

[Baph]

I've already been considering it, in fact I may even leave the country too...lol...see a cunning plan is unfolding, i've got months to butter him up, and make him realise that there perhaps might be another adventure on the cardsI've already started drawing up maps & researching recommended roads in France. :)

[dizzyblonde]

I've already started drawing up maps & researching recommended roads in France. :)

what ya like:mrgreen:...I've still got last yrs road map in my head...long and booooooring....lol, i have an automatic radar to my best mates front door, just IFI do go there next year, it'll be by the scenic route:cool:

[Lozzo]

Yay !! We can please someone at last !!

I am easily pleased

I can categorically state that the Burnham Bends will *definitely* be a part of the route.

I'm currently working on several variations of a basic route, but they all involve the BB's. :cool:

I should bloody well hope so, what with the AR venue being literally a mere stone's throw from the start of them.

[Supervox]

I should bloody well hope so, what with the AR venue being literally a mere stone's throw from the start of them.

Well there is that too !!!

But to be fair (to me) they were always going to be part of the route - even when a different venue was being looked at.

[Lozzo]

Well there is that too !!!

But to be fair (to me) they were always going to be part of the route - even when a different venue was being looked at.

It would be rude to have an AR within 50 miles that didn't take in those bends - you chose well. I might even forgive you BMW ownership because of this, you know. ;)

[Messie]

Just confirmed the venue - it's great!!

Everything we all need I think..


But I won't reveal all the details til I've cleared it with the BigModApe

[Bibio]

this venue sounds good to me... never been down that neck of the woods.. if i can get the time off (time to tell the mother-in-law how much i really love her and all that stuff) i will be there...

if northy and me can do 400 miles and the speries can make it 500 odd miles.. then surly any one in england can make it...

[Kilted Ginger]

Do we know the actual venue yet or just the, town? Is there an alternative to camping? The less gear we jocks have to bring down the more space it leaves for the spoils of war;)

Also if we could avoid the 1st of august as I'm getting married then and a fair few of the ecosse tribe bill be invited. So it could be a quiet reception ( before anyone else says it)

[Stig]

Also if we could avoid the 1st of august as I'm getting married then and a fair few of the ecosse tribe bill be invited. So it could be a quiet reception ( before anyone else says it)

That's unfortunate. It looks like the 1st August is exactly when it's going to be. As to regards the actual site. As soon as I have everything confirmed, the site will be revealed.

[Rai86]

Gutted 2nd is me birthday