Pass A New Law!

[Lissa]

If you had the power to pass just one new law, what would it be?

Would you pick something worthy or something purely selfish?

I'm going for the selfish option, cos I can:D

My new law would be............Bikes only had to obey 20, 30 and 40mph speed limits.:smt077


I was going to add 50mph limits, but Warwickshire have taken to turning perfectly good NSL roads into 50mph roads just lately, with no justification, and against police advice, so **** em!

[Mr Speirs]

Mine would be to make it illegal for Sara Cox in present on Radio or Tv

[ophic]

I was going to add 50mph limits, but Warwickshire have taken to turning perfectly good NSL roads into 50mph roads just lately, with no justification, and against police advice, so **** em!
I think everywhere is doing that.

I'd pass a law that everyone has to do what I say, if I say so. That's both selfish and for the benefit of everybody :cool:

[Gene genie]

dogs in public must be muzzled.

[the_lone_wolf]

driving in the 2nd lane of the motorway when the 1st lane is free shall hearby be punishable by death...

[sinbad]

dogs in public must be muzzled.

Further to that, dogs have to be insured and owners have to be licenced.

[dizzyblonde]

dogs in public must be muzzled.

thats not very fair, whats my dog done to anybody to deseerve that...apart from lick ya to death!

[El Saxo]

driving in the 2nd lane of the motorway when the 1st lane is free shall hearby be punishable by death...

there needs to be a clause in that law somewhere about me being allowed to fit fairing-mounted machine guns to the SV - instant justice!! :twisted:

[Mr Speirs]

driving in the 2nd lane of the motorway when the 1st lane is free shall hearby be punishable by death...

That was going to be mine also but thought the Sara Cox law deserved priority.

[Gene genie]

thats not very fair, whats my dog done to anybody to deseerve that...apart from lick ya to death!
i have mentioned this lots of times dizzy but as yet no-one has come forward and handed me a reason why its cruel to animals.
i feel its a simple solution to a growing problem.
as you say dizzy your dog aint the problem its the heavy and dangerous dogs that people seem to desire.

[orose]

All MPs salaries will be revoked with immediate effect, and no secondary jobs will be allowed.

I'd then promptly resign and get a proper job, like most of my ex-colleagues would be forced to ;)

[the_lone_wolf]

its a simple solution to an over-reported, effectively non-existant problem.

corrected for you...

[ophic]

as you say dizzy your dog aint the problem its the heavy and dangerous dogs that people seem to desire.
My dog is heavy and dangerously thick :mrgreen:
I thought it was already law for a dog to be muzzled in public - just that there was a lot of tolerance about it.

[madness]

I'd make it law that all pedal cyclists and horse riders had to do a CBT before being allowed on the road, and that they had to be insured.

[Dan]

I'd make the use of handheld mobiles in cars punishable by a mandatory 6 month jail sentence.

[dizzyblonde]

I would make it law that all greedy bank bosses given huge salaries, pensions and bonuses be found guilty of something or another and punished with the gibbet




incidently there is one at the bottom of the road...shame its a replica, but that could be easily remedied :-)

[Alpinestarhero]

I would make it illegal for radio stations to play the same song more than once in two days

[Nicky S]

If you had the power to pass just one new law, what would it be?

Would you pick something worthy or something purely selfish?

I'm going for the selfish option, cos I can:D

My new law would be............Bikes only had to obey 20, 30 and 40mph speed limits.:smt077


that would be my law :P

[gruntygiggles]

dogs in public must be muzzled.

but most lethal attacks happen in the home!

Still......i do agree a lot of dogs could do with being muzzled, or better still, should be licensed so cr4p owners can't have them!

[Milky Bar Kid]

My law would be:

all unemployed people claiming dole must carry out national service in order to earn money, doing jobs such as street sweeping, litter picking etc etc etc! Further to that, any unemployed people claiming benefits cannot have more than 1 child....or a own a widescreen telly or have sky+ or a playstation 3 or xbox or leather suite......or a car....or anything that we have to work for...

[Ed]

...and I'd reintroduce the Poor Law:rolleyes:

My law would be that people who are too damn lazy to return supermarket trolleys to the store should have to do precisely that on an unpaid basis for a week.

[dizzyblonde]

My law would be:

all unemployed people claiming dole must carry out national service in order to earn money, doing jobs such as street sweeping, litter picking etc etc etc! Further to that, any unemployed people claiming benefits cannot have more than 1 child....or a own a widescreen telly or have sky+ or a playstation 3 or xbox or leather suite......or a car....or anything that we have to work for...

ahh now ya see young lady, in the current climate the dole queues are full of hard working citizens that have been made redundant after putting many years service into this country via taxation etc
So, you my dear, would have to go in hiding for having the indecency to tar a lot of those folk with the same brush as that chavvy so and so that you are trying to get at

You really can't go making such a generalised statement in the current climate, its not a very fair assumption

[pencil shavings]

I would impliment universal Basic Income http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaranteed_minimum_income

[pencil shavings]

You really can't go making such a generalised statement in the current climate, its not a very fair assumption

in any climate you cant make generalisations. the only generalisation that has any hope of being correct is that all generalistions are wrong lol

[Jinxy43]

to ban

Political Correctness

[DavieSV]

Fixed penalty for drivers merging onto motorways at under 55mph

[northwind]

100mph speed limits on motorways.

I'd make it law that all pedal cyclists and horse riders had to do a CBT before being allowed on the road, and that they had to be insured.

Yeah, best of luck enforcing THAT. It's the only reason it's never been seriously tried.

[keithd]

100mph speed limits on motorways.



Yeah, best of luck enforcing THAT. It's the only reason it's never been seriously tried.

you pick on madness's piece of whimsy slaughtering his fun stating how hard it'd be enforcing mandatory cbt's for horse and cyclists, yet instant death for lane hoggers and machine gun bonnet armoury escape without a mention? you inhabit a harsh world winders.....

[Ceri JC]

+1 on Northy's 100mph on motorways.

in any climate you cant make generalisations. the only generalisation that has any hope of being correct is that all generalistions are wrong lol

You can and you should, provided those generalisations are backed up with legitimate statistical proof that this is the most common/applicable scenario rather than being born out of bigotry, or a disproportionate response to an emotive situation. Criticising a largely valid generalisation on the grounds of a 1% case that doesn't apply to the vast majority of cases suggests an exception for that 1% should be made, not that the whole generalisation is 'wrong'. Generally speaking, in my experience such 1% cases used this way are usually used to argue against something the person making them would be opposed to anway, even if it was true in all cases.

In the current climate, the generalisation that people on the dole are lazy and could find work if they wanted is more incorrect than it would have been two years back. Note I don't say whether it was correct in either instance... ;)

[Ceri JC]

I would impliment universal Basic Income http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaranteed_minimum_income

What'd your eligibility criteria be? Or would you not have any?

I'm not criticising either concept, I'm just interest in what you think would be a good balance between fairness and ease/cost of implementing it.

[SoulKiss]

1) Speed limits to be a recommendation. If you are involved in an incident and you are above the recommendation then any charges are brought as being aggravated and come with stricter minimum sentences.

2) Commercial Use license to be required for commercial use of a vehicle. These would be given out as a matter of course - effectively an extra entitlement, but with a much lower barrier to suspension of this license - a fixed penalty notice could leave you able to drive but not for Commercial use.

[yorkie_chris]

Fat women dressed in skimpy clothing to be classed as grievous bodily harm.

[Milky Bar Kid]

ahh now ya see young lady, in the current climate the dole queues are full of hard working citizens that have been made redundant after putting many years service into this country via taxation etc
So, you my dear, would have to go in hiding for having the indecency to tar a lot of those folk with the same brush as that chavvy so and so that you are trying to get at

You really can't go making such a generalised statement in the current climate, its not a very fair assumption


Ahhhh, ok,ok, if people have been unemployed for more than two years.....does that make it better???

I do understand that some people have been made redundant and I don't inculde them in my generalisation.

I'm talking about the millions who are on the dole that have 5 kids, no job, house paid for by the DSS, etc etc.

For example, in my town, the local housing authority has built a whole lot of lovely new houses. They have moved the people in the scheme of houses (known for 99% being unemployed neds/junkies etc etc) that they have wrecked into these new houses......AND have given them a £3000 grant to pay for furnishing!!! WHY DO WE WORK???

[pencil shavings]

Ahhhh, ok,ok, if people have been unemployed for more than two years.....does that make it better???



nope ;)

but then my view isnt the normal view.

I believe in a Universal Basic Income, have a read about it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaranteed_minimum_income

(this was also the law I would introduce!)

[pencil shavings]

hang on, this gives a better explanation of it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

[Magnum]

My new law would be............Bikes only had to obey 20, 30 and 40mph speed limits.:smt077




I rarely see anyone obeying those limits anyway!


Aparantly if you hit someone when they jump out in front of your car or bike, you are responsible even if you had no chance of stopping - i would change this to make the driver innocent in certain situations.

There should also be harsher punishments for theft and burglary :smt072

[Milky Bar Kid]

Thats a very communist view.......

[SoulKiss]

Ahhhh, ok,ok, if people have been unemployed for more than two years.....does that make it better???

I do understand that some people have been made redundant and I don't inculde them in my generalisation.

I'm talking about the millions who are on the dole that have 5 kids, no job, house paid for by the DSS, etc etc.

For example, in my town, the local housing authority has built a whole lot of lovely new houses. They have moved the people in the scheme of houses (known for 99% being unemployed neds/junkies etc etc) that they have wrecked into these new houses......AND have given them a £3000 grant to pay for furnishing!!! WHY DO WE WORK???

You are of course also aware of the recent government scheme to reward employers for employing someone who has been out of a job for 6 months or more with some kind of Bounty? (no not Coconut and Chocolate :p)

So basically I get made redundant and next week next potential employer not only has to weigh up my skills against the guy that has been unemployed for 6 months (which could be due to having lost his job by being made redundant too) as well as the £££'s the gov will pay them to take him on.

Oh well just more madness.....

[Milky Bar Kid]

I rarely see anyone obeying those limits anyway!


Aparantly if you hit someone when they jump out in front of your car or bike, you are responsible even if you had no chance of stopping - i would change this to make the driver innocent in certain situations.

There should also be harsher punishments for theft and burglary :smt072

That's not true, if you had "no chance of stopping" then you havent done anything wrong. I have been to many such situations and the driver wasn't charged.

You should however, be prepared to stop in the area you can see to be clear and if you have had enough chance then yes, you will be booked

[Milky Bar Kid]

You are of course also aware of the recent government scheme to reward employers for employing someone who has been out of a job for 6 months or more with some kind of Bounty? (no not Coconut and Chocolate :p)

So basically I get made redundant and next week next potential employer not only has to weigh up my skills against the guy that has been unemployed for 6 months (which could be due to having lost his job by being made redundant too) as well as the £££'s the gov will pay them to take him on.

Oh well just more madness.....


I certainly am and in short, I think the government is making it more difficult for the hard working citizens who have been made redundant in this climate to get back into a job.

[Magnum]

That's not true, if you had "no chance of stopping" then you havent done anything wrong. I have been to many such situations and the driver wasn't charged.

You should however, be prepared to stop in the area you can see to be clear and if you have had enough chance then yes, you will be booked


Oh perhaps i heard wrong then.

[SoulKiss]

I certainly am and in short, I think the government is making it more difficult for the hard working citizens who have been made redundant in this climate to get back into a job.

Its all about the figures....

Send everyone to Uni and then you get loads of people with worthless degrees, but at least 4 years of reduced unemployment figures.

Then re-introduce the apprentice scheme as a good thing - again we manage to get people off the unemployment figures but are still paying for their training etc.

Then with this last one its the long-term figures that are being massaged.

Going to start another thread to avoid derailing this one further :)

[Milky Bar Kid]

A "We hate the Government" thread

[dizzyblonde]

Ahhhh, ok,ok, if people have been unemployed for more than two years.....does that make it better???

I do understand that some people have been made redundant and I don't inculde them in my generalisation.

I'm talking about the millions who are on the dole that have 5 kids, no job, house paid for by the DSS, etc etc.




nope doesn't make it any better. No offense but you look a very young lassie, you've yet to step into the real world of kids, jobs, homes, real life etc etc.
I spent 3 years at the beginning of my sons life unemployed. I chose that as a mother. Granted I own my house, but I claimed incapacity as I fractured my spine. I also recieved income support after the time ended on incapacity, but only as the relationship with my sons partner had gone upside down, and I had to do somethings quick, being a single parent. I'm no scrounger. It took me a while to get on my feet and work up gradually to full time work.
How would you like to categorise people in similar situations?

Sorry your still generalising. Don't think about standing for council...i wouldn't vote for you!:smt019;)

[Milky Bar Kid]

Fo god's sake!!! It wasn't exactly meant to be taken seriously!!!!!

[ophic]

Fat women dressed in skimpy clothing to be classed as grievous bodily harm.
Slim women not dressed in skimpy clothing to be classed as... oh i dunno... blatant waste of resources?

[Mr Speirs]

Guys guys guys. I think we are disappearing up our own ****'s here. I believe this thread is mean't in a jovial way. Pass a law, have a laugh.

[dizzyblonde]

Fo god's sake!!! It wasn't exactly meant to be taken seriously!!!!!



well its only a bit of friendly debate in this case :-)
but think carefully before you say something like that, someone somewhere could take great personal offence.

I was just answering to give the other side of the coin, that is all

[Milky Bar Kid]

Yes I may be young, but trust me, I see real life everyday and I have to deal with the scroungers every day. Claiming benefits because you had a fracture in your spine is totally different from the people who claim the dole because they are too lazy to work and then have the cheek to say t me

"My tax pays your wages!"

I was only trying to illustrate my feelings that we allow too many scroungers to be on the dole. I am well aware that MANY people have legitimate reason and well deserve to claim benefits. At the end of the day, that's why we have a benefits system and why we should always have one but people who are ripping the p*ss out of it should be made to earn their money in some way.

As I said above, yes, it's only meant to be a bit of fun and not taken seriously.

[dizzyblonde]

:smt115

I would now like to pass a law

All men should be tied to the kitchen sink, wearing nothing more than an apron.

If its good enough for them to require it, its good enough for the burds:mrgreen:

[ophic]

:smt115

I would now like to pass a law

All men should be tied to the kitchen sink, wearing nothing more than an apron.

If its good enough for them to require it, its good enough for the burds:mrgreen:
Great! What's the salary?

[dizzyblonde]

you get to sit in the coal hol and be fed nothing but PINS???.....:-k

I dunno, errrr suggestions please:-D

[gruntygiggles]

nope doesn't make it any better. No offense but you look a very young lassie, you've yet to step into the real world of kids, jobs, homes, real life etc etc.
I spent 3 years at the beginning of my sons life unemployed. I chose that as a mother. Granted I own my house, but I claimed incapacity as I fractured my spine. I also recieved income support after the time ended on incapacity. I'm no scrounger. How would you like to categorise people in similar situations?

Sorry your still generalising. Don't think about standing for council...i wouldn't vote for you!:smt019;)


Hmmm, this one can be a sticky issue! I agree with both sides as I think most tax payers would. It's not just young people that can be misguided in categorising people. Everybody needs to look at all sides of a situation before forming an opinion.

Milky bar Kid, yes, I too am annoyed at having to watch SOME (cetainly not all) of the people that are on benefits, use money that we give in taxes to have the kind of things in life that we have to work for. However, to make it clear, the people I am talking about are the people who choose not to work, have children, have Sky+ and a Wii and smoke and drink in excess, all the while, their children are on the poverty line with badly fitting shoes and clothes and being shown no aspirations in life.
I have mentioned this in another thread that I personally would like to see a system where if you are a person in this situation, you could have food stamps/vouchers so that the money from the state was being used for the intended purpose and that the social services ensured that all children were kept in clothes and shoes that fit, had access to all the learning materials they needed, out of school activities etc. If you are perfectly fit and capable of working, but choose not to and have no reason not to, then any money from the state should be used for necessary purchases, not luxury ones. It's not for me to say that if you're on benefits you shouldn't smoke or drink.....that's a personal choice. I would just like to see a system where children were protected and provided for as a priority.

Dizzyblonde, I also totally agree with you. The whole reason the benefits system was put in place was to support people, like you, who needed it, benefitted from it and did not take advantage of it. I actually think there are many people out there that do not get nearly enough.
Take carers for an example. Some say they don't work.....I say they work 24 hours a day, 7 days week and therefore far more than most people. Yet they get an appauling level of support. Councils show off that they give these carers one afternoon off a week, but we all know that when you have the full time responsibility of caring for someone, one afternoon does not amount to anything valuable or useful.

If you suffer an injury, have a child, a mental illness, are made redundant, care for others and many other circumstances....you should absolutely be able to call upon the government for help, support and assistance.
My only beef is with the people who are proud to manipulate the system and have us finance their lives, while their children go without. This is not a generalisation or categorisation....it is aimed at a very specific group of people and they make up a very small proportion of those claiming benefits.

I think what we all need to remember is, no matter the situation or circumstance, we should try and understand the opinions of others before we cast judgement on them.

None of know when we will need to call upon this support and when we do, we will feel rightly entitled to it, so lets not go on a witch hunt here!

[Milky Bar Kid]

+1

[SoulKiss]

LOADS OF STUFF

Come visit my thread (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=126921&highlight=social) :)

[Miss Alpinestarhero]

Fat women dressed in skimpy clothing to be classed as grievous bodily harm.

LOL - how funny..!

I think my law would be...

all TV programmes and films (including those at the cinema) have to have subtitles otherwise they cannot be aired.

The same goes for DVD's (yes I know they have subtitles but some sneaky comapnies such as aardman - creature comforts - dont put them on!)

[Odin]

For all pubs and curry houses to be open 24hours a day, 7 days a week......mmmmmm endless beer and curry mmmmmmmm

[Mr Speirs]

All roads must be twisty and made outta the same stuff they use on tracks and Sundays are bikes only day :)

[Gene genie]

LOL - how funny..!

I think my law would be...

all TV programmes and films (including those at the cinema) have to have subtitles otherwise they cannot be aired.

The same goes for DVD's (yes I know they have subtitles but some sneaky comapnies such as aardman - creature comforts - dont put them on!)
why?
i tend to read them and miss watching the film.

[Gene genie]

:smt115

I would now like to pass a law

All men should be tied to the kitchen sink, wearing nothing more than an apron.

you been spying on me?

[Kinvig]

All cyclists must take a CBT every 2 years and their bikes need to be insured.

[Speedy Claire]

People over 60 cant drive and have to take the bus :D

[Speedy Claire]

All child molesters and rapists should be castrated :D

[Speedy Claire]

Working week should be reduced to 30 hours :D

[Gene genie]

Working week should be reduced to 30 hours :D
mines already been reduced to 24.:(

[Speedy Claire]

People who put empty cartons/containers back into the fridge/cupboards as opposed to the dustbin should be imprisoned :D

[Speedy Claire]

mines already been reduced to 24.:(


ok will amend my new law to......

Working week to be reduced to 30 hours if the employee wishes :D

[Gene genie]

Claire for president

[Speedy Claire]

Claire for president


YAY!!!! :mrgreen:

[dizzyblonde]

you been spying on me?

I can seee yoooooou:cyclopsani:

[Sally]

Lower Drinking Age to 16, Lower Age for Legally Buying Smokes to 16, chane NSL to No Speed Limit, Scottish Independance, stop MP's asking for a GB football team for the olympics, harsher penalties for rapists/paedophiles/child molesters.
Also agree with above post, they should be castrated too.

Get rid of the restricted license carp..

Not alot i would like to change :)

[dizzyblonde]

People who put empty cartons/containers back into the fridge/cupboards as opposed to the dustbin should be imprisoned :D

can we not just put them in stocks and throw the empty cartons and containers at them, or better still put their fingers in thumbscrew whilst they are sat in the stocks, and hit their fingers with toffee hammers:smt077

[Mej]

harsher penalties for rapists/paedophiles/child molesters.
Also agree with above post, they should be castrated too.

Get rid of the restricted license carp..
:)

+ 1 (twisted means of torture ad then death for the above like a 1000 paper cuts, or acid dipping)

I would doc football players salaries and pay peolpe like nurses and public service workers and that more money, people who deserve it a bit more.

Weirdly i would give police more power, less paper work a bit like america.

I would introduce guns to the country.

I would legalise drugs and tax the **** out of all of them.

THE ONE LAW I WOULD DEFINETLEY BRING IN IS NATIONAL SERVICE FOR EVERYONE, NO EXCEPTIONS!!!! :)

[keithd]

THE ONE LAW I WOULD DEFINETLEY BRING IN IS NATIONAL SERVICE FOR EVERYONE, NO EXCEPTIONS!!!! :)

blind? disabled?

[keithd]

I would introduce guns to the country.



i think they've already met

[Viney]

So many laws.

Variable speed limits linked to the time of day on all A class roads and above with a higher upper limit.

So say you are on a motorway and its 10pm at night, lets up the limit to and advisory 100mph with the disgresion of the officer (If you get stopped), there is no reason not to. Not everyone will do it. Same goes for non urban A roads as well, up them to 70mph or motorway class a roads, same as the motorways and make all urban 'streets' an enforced 20mph limit by some means other than speed bumps!

It just gets me that when i go up north, i am travelling on a perfectly good motorway that is sparsly populated and legaly i can only do 70mph when in reality i could drive flat out if needed be with no danger to anyone!

[keithd]

seems everybody is in a hurry to get somewhere......

[Kalessin]

I would like to bring in compulsory reviews for all motorists every five years.

If you fail your review, you have a month to work on all the advisories. After that month, you must re-take your test. If you fail, get off the road and make it safer for everyone else!

Also, there should be a system where you can report dangerous driving e.g. online. Then, if enough people complain about a single motorist, they are automatically referred for a motoring review as above.

I have spent too much time thinking about this!

[pencil shavings]

blind? disabled?

why not? 'you dont have to be a pilot to fly in the RAF'
you can still do a admin based job. My uncle was conscripted into intell in South Africa in the 1980s because he is too vision impaired to be able to opperate effectivly in the field.

[Speedy Claire]

can we not just put them in stocks and throw the empty cartons and containers at them, or better still put their fingers in thumbscrew whilst they are sat in the stocks, and hit their fingers with toffee hammers:smt077


ok i`m liking the sound of the hit their fingers with toffee hammers but could we adapt it to hit their fingers with sledge hammers? :smt074

[SoulKiss]

Also, there should be a system where you can report dangerous driving e.g. online. Then, if enough people complain about a single motorist, they are automatically referred for a motoring review as above.

Whats your reg again?

I haven't spent enough time thinking about this!

Fixed that last bit for ya.

[Mej]

.....

[SoulKiss]

i would leaglise them, not like america with semi-auto matics and that but so people could own them.

I would also make a law that says trespassers can be shot if they do not leave.

+1 everyone should do some sort of national service.

What would ANY of that do to improve things?

[Mej]

What would ANY of that do to improve things?

Who said it had to improve things? These are the laws i would bring in. I dont think it is very reassuring that if someone breaks into your house and you end up killing them in self defense you get sent to prison.

I just thing National service would be a good idea, give people something to do when they leave school.

[yorkie_chris]

So if you are not going to allow semi-autos then what are you changing?

You can already own a semi-automatic shotgun, or a bolt action or straight pull rifle. Fair enough the procedures make it very difficult to own one, but you can.

At the moment, the only people carrying guns are criminals. I'd be quite happy to be allowed to carry legally.

One way to look at it is as a personal freedom rather than what it would improve.
The thought of doing anything in this country to protect yourself is looked upon with disdain, which I find curious.

[SoulKiss]

Who said it had to improve things? These are the laws i would bring in. I dont think it is very reassuring that if someone breaks into your house and you end up killing them in self defense you get sent to prison.

I just thing National service would be a good idea, give people something to do when they leave school.

Well if ANYONE can have a gun - including the burglars, then the 1st thing they do on breaking in is head to the bedroom and pop a couple of caps in yo ass. Fairly good self defence motive because they know that if you get the drop on them you will shoot as there is no deterrent for you to do that.

Is your DVD Player really worth someone else's life?

I left school at the end of december and started a job in a bank the 2nd week of January - I didn't need anything to do when I left school.

Next?

[yorkie_chris]

Who said it had to improve things? These are the laws i would bring in. I dont think it is very reassuring that if someone breaks into your house and you end up killing them in self defense you get sent to prison.

I just thing National service would be a good idea, give people something to do when they leave school.

You get sent down for what you say, not what you've done. If you genuinely kill them in self defense then you will probably not go down. If you shoot them in the back then you will.

I wasn't overly upset when a lad who robbed my home years ago ended up getting kneecapped in a later robbery. Karmas a bitch. :smt040

[Mej]

So if you are not going to allow semi-autos then what are you changing?

You can already own a semi-automatic shotgun, or a bolt action or straight pull rifle. Fair enough the procedures make it very difficult to own one, but you can.

At the moment, the only people carrying guns are criminals. I'd be quite happy to be allowed to carry legally.

One way to look at it is as a personal freedom rather than what it would improve.
The thought of doing anything in this country to protect yourself is looked upon with disdain, which I find curious.

Im saying i wouldnt leagalise fully auto matic assault rifels, M4, AK47, M16, MP44 and other guns like the Mac 10, Uzi and Scorpion.

But i do think you should have the right to carry a gun, obvioulsy not if you are a crim, so there would be background checks and all that.

[Mej]

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[Kalessin]

Whats your reg again?

And that's why the system would work :cool:

[yorkie_chris]

Im saying i wouldnt leagalise fully auto matic assault rifels, M4, AK47, M16, MP44 and other guns like the Mac 10, Uzi and Scorpion.

But i do think you should have the right to carry a gun, obvioulsy not if you are a crim, so there would be background checks and all that.

You said semi automatic a minute ago :-P

[Mej]

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[yorkie_chris]

What's the difference between military style semi-auto and civy?

It does make me laugh that a law intended to clamp down on drive-by happy gangsters specifies against a bayonet lug. How many times have crack dealers mounted bayonet charges?

[SoulKiss]

Im saying i wouldnt leagalise fully auto matic assault rifels, M4, AK47, M16, MP44 and other guns like the Mac 10, Uzi and Scorpion.

But i do think you should have the right to carry a gun, obvioulsy not if you are a crim, so there would be background checks and all that.

Of course - how silly of me, I forgot about background checks.

So, if I am a naughty criminal type I cant buy a gun, but by also being a naughty criminal type, I know that there are people so scared of me they will have guns in their house.

So to get a gun, all I need to do is break into the house of one of these scared sheep, after observing that the place is empty and bingo I now have a gun and for free too.

Rinse and repeat with a few shootings into the bargain and I am soon in possession of more guns that I could have had in the bad old days of prohibition, and thanks to my criminal mates, making quite a chunk of cash selling them too.

I quite like the fact that a gun only has one purpose - killing someone.

It makes it really quite easy to say that anyone who is possession of one is prepared to do just that by ownership of said thing, hence they are a "serious" criminal and that just possessing one means they can be taken out of Society.

[Mej]

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[SoulKiss]

And that's why the system would work :cool:

Right -so you **** me off, I make a note of your reg and visit a bunch of Internet cafes/libraries/wi-fi hotspots and report you, or if they do checks on reports, arrange with the correct number of my mates to also report you.

There is a good reason that the system we have which places a burden of proof on a crime is as it is.

[yorkie_chris]

I quite like the fact that a gun only has one purpose - killing someone.

Riiiiiight.

[SoulKiss]

Riiiiiight.

Go on then tell me more.....

[yorkie_chris]

So to get a gun, all I need to do is break into the house of one of these scared sheep, after observing that the place is empty and bingo I now have a gun and for free too.

just possessing one means they can be taken out of Society.

2 points.
Why would you leave it at home?

How often does that happen now?


It's not hard to get hold of a gun now, there's loads of ex-eastern bloc makharovs and CZs about. Fair enough they're about the most horrible to shoot things known to man, but they're still guns and they still hurt.

And law abiding people have none. Personally I'd rather have the choice than be a scared sheep.

[yorkie_chris]

Go on then tell me more.....

Target shooting (hundreds of different disciplines) and hunting.