Hanging up boots

[dizzyblonde]

My time has come. I have decided because I can never progress to the school of large c0cks.

No matter how many years you've been at it......successfully, it seems you get hammered down for just going out there and having fun. I love my bikes with a passion, its taken me many years of hard graft to have what I hold dear, even with two kids I've kept them.....enthusiasm no longer is appropriate to share it seems.
Having the pee constantly thrown at you from those who think they are far superior to you(and only ride with me twice a year) has taken its toll
Yup, I'm opinionated at times, we all are, but I've had years of stick and abuse hurled my way, and unless I turn into a massively egotistical male, who races round a track all summer and do the same on a road, it seems I am unfit to ride.

I'm 34, I have two kids, a house, 2 cats and a dog, I aren't some 23 year old lass.
I'm not sure it really matters any more, that people I hold in high regard think theres nowt wrong with my riding. I'm fed up of being kicked in the teeth.


So maybe its just time, to grow old, smell of wee, and stagnate in a corner.

[svrich]

Or keep being the person you are, and they should be, and enjoy what you do the way you do it. And stick two fingers up to them on the way passed ;)
Don't let a few ****s spoil your fun.

[dizzyblonde]

I've only just regained momentum after having Oli, now its all gone. Two years I've waited, not that it matters.

[rictus01]

I've grown old, probably smell of wee more than not, can't ride for toffee, but the riding I do though is precise and accurate if slower than I once did, that's what I practice, I've ridden with you and when you aren't worried about some old git taking photo, you do a well planned and executed ride, speed is easy;safe speed isn't, there are far more overconfident less skillful riders out there I'd think more than twice about riding with some of them as they ride poorly and merely compound their errors by doing it quickly is all, get it right and safe speed is attainable when and if you want it.

Of course if some feel it's a competition of some sort, then they are in for a disappointment, there's always someone better out there.

"chicken strip heros" are all well and good, but bike control and great obs are what keep you alive......

I think you're wonderful for many reasons, not least for your attitude to riding*



* being gorgeous and sexy doesn't hurt either......did I just say that out loud......:oops:

[Jackie_Black]

I tend to just ride on me own, and let everyone past me on the road if they are in a hurry. That way I can see the world at my own speed. Never felt the need to give in to the red mist on a bike. Just ignore them, if you still like bikes don't let others put you off!!

[beabert]

I tend to just ride on me own, and let everyone past me on the road if they are in a hurry. That way I can see the world at my own speed. Never felt the need to give in to the red mist on a bike. Just ignore them, if you still like bikes don't let others put you off!!

Same, no one rides like me it seems, so id rather ride alone :D i don't see myself as a 'biker' i don't fit the description.

[DJFridge]

B0llocks to that, dizzy. I've never met you (I've only been lurking around here for a few months) but you seem to be a fairly well adjusted adult with her priorities in the right place. I'm sure riding on a track is fun (I never have but I've driven round tracks quite a bit, which I enjoyed a lot) but it has NOTHING to do with riding (or driving) on the road. Braking points, racing lines, knees down; it's all fine but it has one basic thing missing - the possibility of stuff coming the other way. Believing you can ride (or drive) like a racer on the road is egotistical cr@p unless you do all your riding on one way roads.

I'm sure at this point I'll get shot down by some wannabe Power Rangers but I'm fine with that. So, dizzy, get back out of your corner, clean up the wee and grow old (ha, I've got seven years on you, you're not even vaguely old) doing whatever makes you happy. Ride for yourself, not for the Sunday Trackday Brigade. And remember, when the offending individuals take the perfect racing line round a bend and disappear under the Citroen Saxo doing the exact same thing in the opposite direction, they won't be able to kick you in the teeth any more. And you'll still have the kids, the cats, the dog and a life you're proud of.

[JamesMio]

Nowt wrong with your riding, it certainly wasn't you that was holding up the poor wee guy at TEC over those bumpy dales roads at the weekend...

(Nope, that would have been 'that **** on the Fireblade', again!).

You and that Ja-Ja-Binxy looking bike clearly get on very well together, so 'ave a word, sort it out and stick with it - sod what anyone else says!

[Bri w]

Live life how you want to live it, not how someone says you should.

[davepreston]

dizz
MTFU, you know i love ya but seriously since when have you given a t0ss about what anyone else says, feck them and you stop whinging like a old woman,
job jobbed
dave

[Bibio]

don't you feckin dare missy.

who is it that is in control of your throttle? you are! yes that's right, so no one has the right to tell you how to use it.

simple solution is don't ride with them...

aaarrrgggg... let me at em, i'll bite their feckin knees of :-)

[-Ralph-]

Dunno who's on the other end of this, nor do I care, but feckin' sort it out the both of you.

I have trouble with my sister sometimes and "I don't pass opinions on your life, so don't pass your opinions on mine" is what is needed to sort it out, then we carry on with our lives in practice however we bl00dy well please.

Suggest you do the same with opinions on each others riding, then get on and ride however the feck you both want.

Don't think somebody elses riding is any good? Well it ain't your problem so feckin well zip it.

[timwilky]

It aint like a yorkshire lass to feel battered by a gobshite. You can normally give back twice what others can deliver.

So get on with it!


I ride for myself not others. I got back on two wheels for my health. I want to arrive home alive and enjoyed my ride. Not stressed out, so I back off and take the corners a bit slower than others and take the time to enjoy where I am and not just the road.

[kellyjo]

Dizz, I read the post that I suspect started all this off. just ignore it hun. You and me are similar in so many ways and biking is sometimes there just to keep our sanity intact!
Obviously I didnt get there :-(:-( but from what ive read and been told the AR was a great success, and you need to look at that and use your enjoyment of it to push forward and clock up more miles on your raptor. Its for you and no one else. Ride it how you want, where you want and when you want!! And dont take to heart what was said. Its everyone on this forum that makes it what it is, and you're a valuable part of that. Kjxxx

[pookie]

If you fancy hanging up your boots go for it..but make sure its for the right reasons and you feel comfortable about it. Certainly dont let other people dictate how you should feel. especially since you worked fliipin hard for those things. You show a passion for biking of which I may not even come close ( polishing and riding in all weathers comes to mind ) and most inspirational. Check out many a polishing and curvy thread!

Those that suggest you are unfit to ride should have a quick look at the name on the license, the keys in your hand, the helmet on your head and the leathers and boots you are wearing and reassess their comments whilst wondering what that roar was.

For all those that take the pee..tell them there wont be any more cake ;)

[missyburd]

#sigh# This thread is bollox and you know it woman.


I'm 34, I have two kids, a house, 2 cats and a dog, I aren't some 23 year old lass.
I'm not sure it really matters any more, that people I hold in high regard think theres nowt wrong with my riding. .

So what's the issue because age should be of NO consequence. You love your bikes but if you're going to back down over a few arsey comments and a load of willy waving - which is not all from the blokes' corner I might add - then you're not the lass I thought you were. Yes you have responsibilities, yes you have two doting kiddies but if that's a sly poke at me then let's not go there.

Dizz, I read the post that I suspect started all this off. just ignore it hun.

If it is that post then this is not something that should be discussed on an internet forum when much the source of the problem is a mile down the road. Sit and sup tea like adults and stop throwing your dummy out Lou, you're made of better stuff.

[Dave20046]

Bull****e!

[TazDaz]

Feet are going to get awfully cold when you're still riding! :)

[dizzyblonde]

So what's the issue because age should be of NO consequence. You love your bikes but if you're going to back down over a few arsey comments and a load of willy waving - which is not all from the blokes' corner I might add - then you're not the lass I thought you were. Yes you have responsibilities, yes you have two doting kiddies but if that's a sly poke at me then let's not go there..

No, NOT even on my mind.

Purely an off the head random number. How old are you anyway, thought you were a wee bit younger!
Over the years, I've become increasingly tired of the attitudes of those that appear in biking that are younger and younger. I'm a opinionated middle aged git, but the behaviour, language of those people I 'watch and observe' (in threads and other ways) then ride with is becoming increasingly disturbing. There are those that are exception to this ;)
Willy wave on occasion I might do, but deep down, most people know its in fun and in all honesty its because I think..yeah,,,see I'm not that bad after all.
It seems these days you can't ride anything without a full analysis, or lines, knee downs, speed, frickin books, a whole manner of things...it starts making you wonder why you are so nervous out on the road.

I'd actually finally sat in a zone on Friday and Saturday that I haven't been in for a year or two. Something and people along the way have ruined that feeling, and its turned the brakes on this time. I actually feel sick right now, and have been in tears all night....yes truely, I haven't slept. Anyone who says to me, grow up and sort it out.......perhaps looking at themselves first and put themselves in my shoes, they may actually feel as ill as me about this.

sorry me dear, nowt to do with you. BUT, take my advice, as you actually do listen(as you roll your eyes :) ), cover your ears, because if you don't when you get to my age, someone somewhere will have worn you down so much, with battering on about how you should do this and that you'll feel like me, and think its not worth it anymore.

[_Stretchie_]

Aww Dizz, sorry you feel like this. : (

So maybe its just time, to grow old, smell of wee, and stagnate in a corner.


Ahh, you doing IAM then?

[missyburd]

I'm 23 :-P


Willy wave on occasion I might do, but deep down, most people know its in fun and in all honesty its because I think..yeah,,,see I'm not that bad after all.
It seems these days you can't ride anything without a full analysis, or lines, knee downs, speed, frickin books, a whole manner of things...it starts making you wonder why you are so nervous out on the road.
Yes most people know its in fun, but in all honesty Lou, you give it but can't take it as well, that's just how you are and why you irritate and amuse at the same time :mrgreen:


sorry me dear, nowt to do with you. BUT, take my advice, as you actually do listen(as you roll your eyes :) ), cover your ears, because if you don't when you get to my age, someone somewhere will have worn you down so much, with battering on about how you should do this and that you'll feel like me, and think its not worth it anymore.

I don't need to cover my ears, if someone tells me something about my riding I will take on the chin, learn from it and carry on, no point getting annoyed about it. There will always be folk that ride more miles in worse conditions than you, who have had more offs than you and dealt with them in their own way, etc. You're just as competitive as the next person sometimes just as you can be subject to road rage as much as the next person, it's what makes you human, what makes us human.

The point is you ride for yourself, purely because it's just you and your bike on the road, everyone else can go royally rodger themselves with my blessing. You can't afford to be too sensitive, you're a biker burd with a lot of attitude and you need to be prepared to take the cr4p if you're going to give it.

Also, don't pull the "when you get to my age" thing, we've all been through sh*te and it affects us all in different ways. My bike is my freedom, transport, fun and indulgence so how I would choose to ride is my own business. I will ask for constructive criticisms and will store all info given to me (by people I trust) but at the end of the day, you've got your license by working hard for it, you use it how you please.

This thread is silly. I will be by later old girl ;)

[maviczap]

Dizz, I read the post that I suspect started all this off. just ignore it hun. You and me are similar in so many ways and biking is sometimes there just to keep our sanity intact!
Obviously I didnt get there :-(:-( but from what ive read and been told the AR was a great success, and you need to look at that and use your enjoyment of it to push forward and clock up more miles on your raptor. Its for you and no one else. Ride it how you want, where you want and when you want!! And dont take to heart what was said. Its everyone on this forum that makes it what it is, and you're a valuable part of that. Kjxxx

DB I haven't seen that post, so I don't know what its about, although I can guess.

The AR was a great success, especially after the previous years event. I enjoyed myself as much, if not better than AR10.

So if some kn0bhead has said something, then do as KJ has said ignore it, its just a case of too much testosterone and willy waving Tuncs.

Riding styles vary, I can still go as fast as I want to and don't give a toss about anyones view point. If they wan't to pass me, I let them.

I keep my loony head for my track days, as I've got my 2 kids to think of and I was very concious of that on the rideout, so just took my time everywhere.

Give your boots a rest, but don't hang them up

[dizzyblonde]

I'm probably not really making much sense right now. I actually really feel sick. I have never been so upset by a comment or people that I physically cry and want to throw up, over riding a bike.

maybe now its making sense.

Thanks. :(

[missyburd]

maybe now its making sense.

Post-AR depression? ;)

[maviczap]

I'm probably not really making much sense right now. I actually really feel sick. I have never been so upset by a comment or people that I physically cry and want to throw up, over riding a bike.

maybe now its making sense.

Thanks. :(

Perfect sense now DB, but you should ignore it, difficult as it sounds right now

[maviczap]

Post-AR depression? ;)

Possibly, especially after all the stress of organising such a fab do.

Remember how Ed felt after the goings on after his rideout earlier this year

[Dave20046]

Who's faulted the rideout?

[dizzyblonde]

Who's faulted the rideout?

Absolutely nobody:cheers:

[Geodude]

You can't stop riding lou its part of who you are and i know i only know of you through the org but i wont allow you to get old sitting in a corner smelling of pi$$ and im sure there's quite a few other orgers who feel the same way.

[Bri w]

c'mon Dizz, people who criticise unfairly or give a ton of heavy handed advice are numpties. Rather than take onboard one person's clumsy critique, listen to all those that are saying differently.

Life is about balance. Sounds like there's an awful lot of good on one side of the scales, which more than counter acts the cr@p.

Don't do owt rash. Wait till all the stress of the AR is behind you...:grouphug::smt056

[Sally]

Does this mean we don't have to hear about you're raptor in every post? ;)

Seriously tho, if you want to do something, do it for you're self, not for others.

[dizzyblonde]

Don't do owt rash. Wait till all the stress of the AR is behind you...:grouphug::smt056


There isn't any post AR stress, it went so frickin well, I'm all ready and waiting to do it again:p

[-Ralph-]

There's nothing wrong with your riding Lou.

The mate I'll be meeting in Portugal next week is uber-cautious, and I've got frustrated with him in the past because his level of caution makes for such slow progress, but I ride with him 'cos he's a very good friend and I want to spend the time with him, so I just set my frame of mind such that I'm not expecting progress, and I chill out and ride slow myself. I know there's going to be times in Portugal where he stops and refuses to tackle something because it looks too dangerous, such as a very steep gravelly hill descent, and I'll have to ride my bike down, then walk back up the hill and ride his bike down, whilst he walks.

His brother was moaning about him on the phone the other day, but his response to his brother was, you crashed three times so far this year, and I've never crashed yet. (they are in Portugal for the whole of August and already doing a lot of riding, and off-road you crash a lot)

The point of the story is he may not be the 'best' or most confident rider, but he gets from A to B in his own time, he enjoys it otherwise he wouldn't be doing it, and in the 18 years I've known him, he has never crashed a motorbike, on or off the road (and he lives in Mexico where other drivers really are trying to kill you). That has to tell you that his riding is good enough, if not particularly quick. I can't say the same I've had several road crashes in my time, and more off-road than I could possibly count, so who is the 'better' rider? Well that depends on how you define 'better'.

I haven't seen MissYC's riding, and I'm sure it's not perfect as she's a newb, but she will get there because she is interested in learning.

Thing is though, I've seen both you and YC having an equal pop at each others riding in threads in the past, so if being critised is causing upset for you then you all need to agree to disagree on it and get on with riding your own bikes how it works for you.

[The Idle Biker]

I don't get it? You didn't come off your Bike on the AR did you (?) and about 10% of riders out there came off or went grass tracking. Loads of riders stayed on site and didn't fancy it because of the conditions. Think you should be congratulating yourself for getting round, some of those roads were tough in the conditions we had.

I tip toed round like bambi on ice for some of it. I don't know what comments you had but ffs, if you love it don't leave it.

[dizzyblonde]

Does this mean we don't have to hear about you're raptor in every post? ;)

.

I'll let you into a secret.
There used to be another Raptor here, apart from polishing the hell out of a set of peg hangers, I wasn't allowed near, even to clean the flies off its fork legs. I was told I was too much of a big girl to ever even think of riding it.
I eventually was allowed to sit on it off the side stand when she eventually was taken away to another home.

I'm immensly proud of having one #puts on willy hat# even more proud to be an apparent unskillful, cr4p rider, who rides so slow(funny I'm always one or three MPH over a speed limit)....and a wee little girl on a great big 1000cc v twin with a penchant for having a good twitch every now and again, kept shiny and new looking etc!
I suppose my fingers are well and truely in the air there somewhere!:smt019:mrgreen:


Stand in my shoes right now Sal, and that comment, although in jest, hurts as much as the others:(

[Dave20046]

Absolutely nobody:cheers:

That sounds about right

[Dicky Ticker]

People can be undiplomatic when they say things but let your maturity shine through and treat it with the contempt it deserves,what goes around comes around.
Letting other people influence you with their thoughts is something I have learned to ignore so lead your life to please yourelf providing it does not infringe on anybody else.
Just because somebody has a different outlook does not necessarily make them right.

[TazDaz]

Stand in my shoes right now Sal, and that comment, although in jest, hurts as much as the others:(

You seriously need a thicker skin if you're going to use the internet. How the feck can Sally's joke re: hearing about your raptor be hurtful?

[Sally]

If that was hurtful, I am sorry, but jeeeeseeee, quite glad I didn't post a Dave Preston style post now.

[dizzyblonde]

Because maybe my thick skin has a hole in it right now?

Difference being is, Sal knows who I am, and hes not meaning to show offense at all. I'm just telling him, a usual funny retort, is not so funny today.

[yorkie_chris]

Well as that numptie with the criticisms I might as well stick my head up above the parapet for anyone to look up "that" post and let you all say what you got to say.

If you can't take it don't give it, and you're one of the first people to give it whenever something crops up.

Maybe take a long look at yourself and maybe start believing what you spout "I ride how I want and don't care what people think", which is fairly mature. The concept you seem to be struggling with is nobody else gives a toss how you ride, how slow/safely you ride either as long as you don't then go and tell them how to go on.
Calm down, take a breather, remember why you ride a bike, wind your neck in and crack on.

[Iansv II]

Dizz, I've had similar comments myself, I'm still riding, I rarely ride with groups anymore and if I do I tail end charlie but it doesn't stop me riding and having fun.

I used to ride fast and tried to stick with the front riders but since I found out how much it hurts when you mess it up I ride to my own limits.

Just stick two fingers up and carry on how you are, lifes to short to be bothered what others may think

[Specialone]

Being blunt I think you're over reacting tbh.

I get stick all the time for riding slow, do I give a ****? Nope, I wanna improve and get a bit quicker, but I want to live long time also so it's a balance thing for me, if the other people I ride with don't like, I won't ride with them, simple, won't stop me riding.

I don't tell others how to ride either cos 99% of the people on here are quicker than me and I don't really care as you're responsible for your own actions.

A little spat with YC, assuming it's with him, shouldn't be any reason to stop riding.

[Owenski]

Anyone else trying to find the thread to find what "that" post / topic was? (Help me out please cos Im a nosey bugger but cant find it).

Bikings about enjoying yourself lou, you seem to love having bikes and all that they make you feel. I know we're not such close mates that we phone each other for a natter before bed but from what I know of you I think you'd be heart broken if you gave up riding for good. Keep riding for yourself under your own perameters and if this differs from how others percieve the meaning of riding then agree to disagree but most importantly get back in the saddle :)

[-Ralph-]

Didn't try to find it as such, I came across it in general browsing earlier. It was Hongman's thread about his bike not hitting the rev limiter in top.

Dizzy was, to be fair, having a good pop at Hong's riding and YC lost his rag and had a counter pop at Dizzy. Nothing that everyone on this thread hadn't already figured out since MissYC's post.

[christopher]

I saw the post (it's since been edited a little I think). Only glanced over it but it seemed to be a typical YC post with a ton of swearing. Maybe a bit over the top, but that's just how he is at times (the language, not the over the top-ness, well maybe :p). We're all different. YC laughs at me when I say "jolly good" and the like, but that's normal to me. It'd be a ****ing boring place if we all spoke the same and got on all the time. Take the comments with a pinch of salt and move on. If it's personal then bring it up with the person directly.

[...] but from what I know of you I think you'd be heart broken if you gave up riding for good. Keep riding for yourself under your own perameters and if this differs from how others percieve the meaning of riding then agree to disagree but most importantly get back in the saddle :)
+1

[dizzyblonde]

Didn't try to find it as such, I came across it in general browsing earlier. It was Hongman's thread about his bike not hitting the rev limiter in top.

Dizzy was, to be fair, having a good pop at Hong's riding and YC lost his rag and had a counter pop at Dizzy. Nothing that everyone on this thread hadn't already figured out since MissYC's post.


Actually, there was no ranting, swearing and general abusive language from me. Niether was I having a pop. I was asking certain questions to Hong, as regards to why he would feel the need to be having his bike on the rev limiter at all. My scenario of the 125 question, was, when your ride a 125, you need to wring the knackers off it everywhere to get anywhere, because it hasn't much to give, so I asked him if he was doing this, and perhaps not 'riding the sv', but riding a '125'. It was a curious train of thought, i thought may have been relevant, which is why I politely said to him, to forget the question and I'd bow out, as he gave me info which would make the discussion irrelevant and no need to go further.
Also, for the question of rev range for max efficiency as maxinc began to discuss, within that range you have more for the bike to give you, if its at top end all the time, you have no potential to go further if its at 12k or what ever it is. Thus it being a bit on the pointless side. In no way has there been a pop as you say ;)

In no way was that giving the poor fella a pop....quite the opposite. I don't go full pelt at the swear filter, I may occasionally skirt round the with the occasional ar$e, or ****, but thats it. If Hong felt this way in anyway, I'm sure he would have said so, which he did not. Only after a rather abusive and now changed rant from another member, did he offer a small reply to acknowledge he may have noticed.

Why I have to stand here and defend a perfectly plausible discussion in another thread is rather perturbing TBH.

[maviczap]

I've caught up with things now and I'm dumbfounded :(

I can't say anymore than that :(

[fizzwheel]

Actually, there was no ranting, swearing and general abusive language from me.

There was and plenty of it, you deleted it. Albeit in response to Chris, but it was swearing and bad language all the same.

[dizzyblonde]

I did Fizz, as I decided it was totally un-necessary, and as I am usually a polite debater, completely out of character. I aren't going to dispute that fact, nor deny pretend I didn't reply in equally rubbish manner.

However, referring to your quote, I was meaning towards Hong in his thread, which is how I have interpreted 'having a pop'.

It neither changes my feelings, of other people wearing me down to such a place, i don't wish to ride anymore.

[-Ralph-]

Ach, FFS Dizz, maybe "pop" is the wrong word, maybe "critism" is right or wrong, maybe "advice" is right or wrong.

I didn't say that Chris' response was appropriate either. I just gave a one summary sentence on it.

Just as you have taken my last post in the wrong way, you also need to understand how others may be reading your posts

Well no offense, but you are riding it wrong

So basically, those going over that are wasting it? as theres no point?!

Now then....revving the SV to such a max etc....

Do you think you are using it like a 125 or an SV?

Humour me.

Certainly there was some "critism" of Hong's riding in there (if that's the right word).

Are you upset because YC lost his rag and had a sweary rant at you, or are you upset because he critised your riding? If the former, that's understandable, but if the latter then your on shakey ground there I'm afraid.

[Sally]

Because maybe my thick skin has a hole in it right now?

Difference being is, Sal knows who I am, and hes not meaning to show offense at all. I'm just telling him, a usual funny retort, is not so funny today.

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HTH :batman:

[dizzyblonde]

Thanks Sal:D

[Nobbylad]

Ach, FFS Dizz, maybe "pop" is the wrong word, maybe "critism" is right or wrong, maybe "advice" is right or wrong.

I didn't say that Chris' response was appropriate either. I just gave a one summary sentence on it.

Just as you have taken my last post in the wrong way, you also need to understand how others may be reading your posts







Certainly there was some "critism" of Hong's riding in there (if that's the right word).

Are you upset because YC lost his rag and had a sweary rant at you, or are you upset because he critised your riding? If the former, that's understandable, but if the latter then your on shakey ground there I'm afraid.

WTF?!?! 'critism' isn't even a real word!

lol

[dizzyblonde]

Ralph....neither, this goes much further than an org thread, sorry to pee on your bonfire there ;)

[ty_uk]

Please dont go, gonna miss your witty banter :(

[dizzyblonde]

I aren't going anywhere?
Just away from the road.

[Davies]

Simple rules to follow:

If someone you know and respect comments on your riding, take note and try to build on any criticisms.

If someone you don't know/don't respect comments on your riding, tell them to fek off and mind their own.

[davepreston]

dizz sounds like you bottleing shed loads of stuff and your thinking the hong threads the straw the broke the camels back
imho its nowt to do with yc's post itself its just a focal point of something you think you can fix (abite a silly one cos your giving up something you love doing) tbh if i were you i see what the other issues are and deal with them, not the riding or riding talk

you and yc are good mate and im sure he spoke to you like that due to familurarity (sp) tbh id speak to you ,him, most people i know like that, because if they know me they know its not a hate filled scaving remark, derogitory yes ,hate filled no,

example my early post, i know you quite well and belive i can speak to you in a straight no need to skirt around the issue way, hence mtfu,

easier fix to this issue for ya mate, if your feeling a bit more delicate than usual, dont post , cos people dont know your state of mind over a computer, they will speak to you the same way as they always do
just take a day or two out and stop letting things get to you, then come back when your back on form

dave

[-Ralph-]

WTF?!?! 'critism' isn't even a real word!

lol

Grammar police! :rolleyes: ;)

Ralph....neither, this goes much further than an org thread, sorry to pee on your bonfire there ;)

I'd picked up that that may be the case, in which case it needs sorting by means of a private conversation, not an org thread stating riding criticism (happy Nobby?) as the issue.

I'm not trying to set a bonfire (for once), I'm just trying to help you to realise that this thread is the result of you being upset, and that what you have written in it is not entirely in perspective in the eyes of the rest of the org. Once you've calmed down and your feeling better, the thread won't read the same way when you read it back.

[Owenski]

Ralph, I dont think I give your posts the attention they deserve, Im just too damn happy to see your avatar

[mattSV]

I did Fizz, as I decided it was totally un-necessary, and as I am usually a polite debater, completely out of character. I aren't going to dispute that fact, nor deny pretend I didn't reply in equally rubbish manner.

However, referring to your quote, I was meaning towards Hong in his thread, which is how I have interpreted 'having a pop'.

It neither changes my feelings, of other people wearing me down to such a place, i don't wish to ride anymore.


In my view, the original thread from Hongman was asking for a technical view as to why his bike wouldn't rev to an indicated 12000rpm, rather than a view on if he should be revving it to the limiter or whether he is trying to ride it like a 125. This is not a criticism of your responses, as there were others who replied to that thread without giving the 'technical' view that the OP was looking for - I think it was these 'non-technical' responses that frustated YC

Regardless of his apparant 'gobbiness' and general lack of eloquence;), there are very few that are better qualified than YC to give a technical answer in layman's (i.e. Yorkshireman's) terms - albeit there may be a few effs and jeffs thrown in for good measure.

Polite debate is not what YC does - he usually 'says what he sees', so I thought his original response was totally in character for him. I am therefore surprised that it has shaken you to the point that you have now decided to give up riding.

[-Ralph-]

Ralph, I dont think I give your posts the attention they deserve, Im just too damn happy to see your avatar

Great the avatar works perfectly then.

My posts don't deserve any attention.

You see I talk **** most of the time, so I need something to distract the audience.

Usually my face works perfectly, or on the phone it's my screwed up half Scottish half English accent, but on the forum... it's Lisa Helen Ralph's boobs!

:smt023

[Owenski]

Nope, all I got from that was:

boobs!

:smt023

[dizzyblonde]

dizz sounds like you bottleing shed loads of stuff and your thinking the hong threads the straw the broke the camels back
imho its nowt to do with yc's post itself its just a focal point of something you think you can fix (abite a silly one cos your giving up something you love doing) tbh if i were you i see what the other issues are and deal with them, not the riding or riding talk

you and yc are good mate and im sure he spoke to you like that due to familurarity (sp) tbh id speak to you ,him, most people i know like that, because if they know me they know its not a hate filled scaving remark, derogitory yes ,hate filled no,

example my early post, i know you quite well and belive i can speak to you in a straight no need to skirt around the issue way, hence mtfu,

easier fix to this issue for ya mate, if your feeling a bit more delicate than usual, dont post , cos people dont know your state of mind over a computer, they will speak to you the same way as they always do
just take a day or two out and stop letting things get to you, then come back when your back on form

dave

:smt008
not such an ugly mug are ya Dave. As for familiarity.......hmmmm don't be soo sure ;)

[danf1234]

Dizzy,

I have just the thing you need.

It's sat on my desk right now at work.

I know your a big fan!

It's your favourite thing ever!









































http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u305/danf1234/216157_qs725gtin_3d.jpg

[-Ralph-]

not such an ugly mug are ya Dave

He bloody well is! Went to see Cars 2 in 3D with my son and I thought Mater was a dead ringer ;)

[dizzyblonde]

Dizzy,

I have just the thing you need.

It's sat on my desk right now at work.

I know your a big fan!

It's your favourite thing ever!









































http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u305/danf1234/216157_qs725gtin_3d.jpg


:smt072:smt072:smt072:smt072:smt072:smt072:smt072

Get it away........get it away, my dreams have just been irradicated of all those bloody tins........AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGGGHH!

You do know I've retired from my role as oompah loompah don't you?

[danf1234]

:smt072:smt072:smt072:smt072:smt072:smt072:smt072

Get it away........get it away, my dreams have just been irradicated of all those bloody tins........AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGGGHH!

You do know I've retired from my role as oompah loompah don't you?

Yeah I saw that you had left. I only have another 25 years and I can leave too. Especially when I keep buying bikes!

[yorkie_chris]

Actually, there was no ranting, swearing and general abusive language from me. Niether was I having a pop.

Why I have to stand here and defend a perfectly plausible discussion in another thread is rather perturbing TBH.

I think fizz should reinstate your previous "plausible discussion" if you want to go down that line. I'd advise you don't.

You do not have any right to criticise my foul language (which BTW I edited from **** to fudge, which any idiot can see what I meant) when you have deleted your own direct and un-sound abuse.

People may know me and think I'm taking the p*ss, in this very rare case they'd be wrong, I stand by previous comments and still think you need to sort your sh*t out before commenting on anyone elses. Since it seems you'd rather air these things in public, so be it.

[dizzyblonde]

read the posts after chris, i've already covered the matter

[dizzyblonde]

There was and plenty of it, you deleted it. Albeit in response to Chris, but it was swearing and bad language all the same.

I did Fizz, as I decided it was totally un-necessary, and as I am usually a polite debater, completely out of character. I aren't going to dispute that fact, nor deny pretend I didn't reply in equally rubbish manner.

However, referring to your quote, I was meaning towards Hong in his thread, which is how I have interpreted 'having a pop'.

It neither changes my feelings, of other people wearing me down to such a place, i don't wish to ride anymore.
..

[beabert]

It seems these days you can't ride anything without a full analysis, or lines, knee downs, speed, frickin books, a whole manner of things...it starts making you wonder why you are so nervous out on the road.

I know exactly what you mean, it gets on my tits.

[Messie]

I really think that as this seems to be a private matter it should be dealt with in private, either in the same room or at least by pm. It's squabbling, which isn't a good look.

[maviczap]

I really think that as this seems to be a private matter it should be dealt with in private, either in the same room or at least by pm. It's squabbling, which isn't a good look.

+1

[dizzyblonde]

Yes Beabert it does.
I find so much information overloaded into correcting these things takes away any fun in riding for some...well me at least.

Although on the same token I know half the Roadcraft book inside out, haven't had to read it yet, its all been given to me in such a way I've never had to touch a page. A very good friend called Rictus has given me plenty of lessons over the years, from this very book.....apparently according to him, I just never knew it!
Funnily enough I have spent more time riding(one on one) with my southern old friend than I have with those who are on my own doorstep, in the last three years. I can assure you he don't hang about for slowmos either.
Once upon a time I graduated in the 'Rictus school of London Filtering', I came out alive without a scratch! Now theres a skill not many have to their bow :)

[fizzwheel]

I think some time for reflection is required so I'm locking this for now I will re open it this evening.

[fizzwheel]

Thread unlocked.

[Dave20046]

You decided to troop on then diz?

[Speedy]

Ain't read the "other thread", ain't going to either.
Bottom line is, don't stop doing something you love because of someone else's comments or criticism.
That's like me giving up eating kebabs because someone called me fat! ( NEVER going to happen! )

This isn't specifically being said to anyone, but, ride fast, ride slow, most of all ride safe and enjoy it!

I ain't Lorenzo on a bike, I ride (when its not raining) because it is my escape from all the mundane in my life. But I enjoy riding. And I wouldn't stop because of someone else.

[hongman]

My opinion to come after I have finished stuffing my face with rice and chicken.

Didn't even notice this thread til someone mentioned it...

[Reeder]

Tooting your own horn all the time and constantly giving your opinion, you should expect to get criticised. I love you DB but you do ALWAYS go on about how brilliant your bike is and give you opinion on everyone else's faults or views so you really should toughen up your skin and take others people's views and opinions of you as well. Like missyc said, you can give but perhaps not take. People can say whatever they want, just accept it and think 'f*** em' because like everyone else has said, ride how YOU want and enjoy it because you can. Don't give it up for such a silly reason - you'll only look stupid when you get back on the bike in a few months time when everyone says 'told you so!' ;) :-P

[paiste]

What he said above.
On a different note I can't believe Reeder has made a valid post without derailling!!

[missyburd]

Group hug everybody!! :cheers: What was it I said all along? What can't be sorted over brews and biccies really ain't worth the hassle, all's much better that ends much better, phew!


On a different note I can't believe Reeder has made a valid post without derailling!!
I am still in shock...

[hongman]

Oky doky, where to start. In no particular order:

First off I am very surprised it has come to this.

In all honesty I did feel a bit critised/patronised with some of the posts (Not just DB's ones). I didnt really say anything and tried to answer in such a way to keep the tone light and informative, becuase I am not a confrontational person by nature and when I am not 100% sure on something, I'd rather not make myself look like a prat when proven wrong.

Case in point, gracefully took maxinc's point about engine speed/load as his post sounded very convincing and made sense - only later was it debunked by YC. I'm not one to argue a point I think is wrong myself.

Thing is, most of you have met me, or have ridden with me, and I'd hope that you guys/girls would give me the credit to realise I am not some ****ing loon on the road. I'm 26 years of age. I have a partner of 10 years with 2 kids. I'm not about to go do stuff that I think is going to put me in more danger than general motorcycling already presents. Please, dont try to educate me on the dangers.

That being said, I know most of it is generally said in "care" - as in Viney's post "Oh hong why do you feel the need to ride so hard" or something like that. That is a lot nicer than "You're riding it wrong".

Still, I dont dislike these people, as I generally am the one asking for advice and they are amongst the people that give it. I appreciate that, in return I dont call them out and jump at every chance to pull them up on something. I'd like that to continue.

I wont lie, after YC's rant I did feel grateful towards him. Not becuase he tore stuff up, but becuase he said in his terms more or less what I wanted to, but wouldn't say - on the parts about keeping it on topic and not trying to educate me on riding.

Dont get me wrong, I am forever receptive to advice. I have learnt a lot from here, and the people in it. I feel I am now at a stage where I my riding is fundamentally OK, I just need to keep tuning it. I'm well aware of my shortfalls. If someone wants to pull me up on something becuase they genuinely care or are concerned, not a problem. If someone wants to make a statement just becuase it makes them look like the superior being, then not interested. And there are a lot of those, it's a forum, every forum is the same in this respect.

Dont get all this talk about willy waving. I cant think of a single person who is the typical willy waver that people keep referring to. There are however, a lot of people who are in fact waving their own willys by complaining about other willy wavers if that makes sense.

I like to ride fast. I get the most enjoyment when I am riding fast. I dont really enjoy going slow. Hence why I didnt really enjoy the AR rideout. The route I imagine would be amazing in the dry. But due to no visability from a foobared pinlock and a bike that was falling apart, I rode appropriately (slow). Thats me.

So why do people feel the need to complain about riders to want to ride everywhere flat out? You dont see these "loons" complaining people who enjoy the slower pace?

What you may think is dangerous and too fast (irrespective of law here) may not be the case with the rider. Case in point - I used to think YC and SV4ME were complete flippin' loonatics, timebombs waiting to go off for a big smash. But spend some time riding and talking with them, you soon realise even at speed they are in complete control of the bike - as much as others are at half the pace.

I know I am a relatovely young rider, in terms of age and experience. Maybe my pace outweighs my experience and control. But who are other people to judge that?

DB, I dont think any less of you for the comments you made. I can even see how in your way you were trying to be constructive with the 125 line of thought. To be honest I dont really know you, so there's not really much to form an opinion on - I've never rode with you or spoken with you at length. Irrespective of if I think your posts are relevant or not, it's really a moot point. Dont get too upset about this stuff - I know its easier said than done, esp as I'm not on the receiving end of the bit you are upset about.

The other thing that frustrated me a bit was the fact that people kept repeating the same thing. Why are you on the limiter for long periods of time. I must have said several times, I'm not. These people have already stereotyped me and read, but dont absorb what I am saying if it doesnt fit that picture.

I'm not losing any sleep over the fact that I know anytime I post a question about speed over 70mph I'll get the obligatory speed-freak post. I really dont care less if people form their opinions on my riding due to what I post. The thing I care about is that the people I know and have ridden with on a proper rideout know how my riding is - not slow, not as fast as them, but progressing nicely.

That's me pretty much aired out. I had thought of more but I;m stuffed and suffering food coma syndrome.

Peace

[tonyk]

dizzy, dont give up because of other people.....
i've heard comments about me when i take my helmet off.....:oops:
Dont listen to narrow minded people.. :mrgreen:

[Lozzo]

Dizzy - Ride your own ride and ignore what anyone says. Simple as that.

[Reeder]

Jesus Christ Hong... No need for your bloody life story!












Haha, love you man :D

[hongman]

Jesus Christ Hong... No need for your bloody life story!












Haha, love you man :D

:D

[Dave20046]

I am not some ****ing loon

Pfft Whatever :toss:



:) nah case and point in what you said a paragraph or so (or 10) below that, you ride to the conditions - you're not a nobber. I've seen you on the track and you definitely have nothing to prove, and nor does anyone else so I wish people would lose that pressure they seem to feel.

[paiste]

I had thought of more but I;m stuffed and suffering food coma syndrome.
Peace
Right then, seeing as Reeder is blatantly failing st his self professed role as king derailler....

I love a food coma me. Nothing like getting your moneys worth at an all you can eat place, struggling to sleep as you're so full and waking up absolutely gut wrenchingly starving! Or is that just me?

[andrewsmith]

Tooting your own horn all the time and constantly giving your opinion, you should expect to get criticised. I love you DB but you do ALWAYS go on about how brilliant your bike is and give you opinion on everyone else's faults or views so you really should toughen up your skin and take others people's views and opinions of you as well. Like missyc said, you can give but perhaps not take. People can say whatever they want, just accept it and think 'f*** em' because like everyone else has said, ride how YOU want and enjoy it because you can. Don't give it up for such a silly reason - you'll only look stupid when you get back on the bike in a few months time when everyone says 'told you so!' ;) :-P

This!

Dizzy - Ride your own ride and ignore what anyone says. Simple as that.

and this! I am not commenting on out said prior to Fizz locking this

FFS
Lou there is nothing wrong with your riding, more than one person commented on it in a good way at AR. For someone that has hardly ridden in 2 years you couldn't tell.

Everyone has different styles or riding. Mine makes me brutally smooth (i only need brakes going into low gear corners) but very fast at times and do make mistakes and iffy manouvers (LP followed me for 5 ish miles and I took a very risky squeeze heading towards Hawes), I will also apologise to anyone I haven't to already about a couple of overtakes as a Marker (Most are here)
Whereas my mate will be up and down the box like a fiddlers elbow

[Bri w]

Right then, seeing as Reeder is blatantly failing st his self professed role as king derailler....

I love a food coma me. Nothing like getting your moneys worth at an all you can eat place, struggling to sleep as you're so full and waking up absolutely gut wrenchingly starving! Or is that just me?

Disgraceful! That's the worst attempt at a deflection I've come across:smt072










Anyway, I love curry and a Cobra but if I have it with too much Pilau I too can't get to sleep very well. I've started just ordering a Keema Naan rather than have rice with my curry.

[fizzwheel]

Knock it off with the derailing theres a place and time and this is not it.

[Bri w]

Knock it off with the derailing theres a place and time and this is not it.

It wasn't a derail, it was an attempt to inject a bit of levity in what is obviously a very distressing thread for some.

Dizz knows my thoughts I've pm'd her. But hey, you know best!;)

[dizzyblonde]

Group hug everybody!! :cheers:


I am still in shock...

You're still in shock, my hair still smells of Chris's armpit:smt104:pukel:



DB, I dont think any less of you for the comments you made. I can even see how in your way you were trying to be constructive with the 125 line of thought.
Peace

Ahh well now I'm glad you kinda got the direction I was flowing, like I said, you answered with information, that proved that theory wrong, and I backed out of it.
Peace, have a flower.
:flower:

[danf1234]

I have been on a couple of outings this year and enjoyed them both. I went to the ARTNW and the Somerset bash. I met a few of the young lads that do a bit of the c0ck waving and taking the pi55 out of the chicken strips but I couldn't give a toss.

There was one exception DAVE20046, he is a bloody quick rider and sensible with it too, and a nice lad. I followed him round Somerset and I learned a lot just watching him.

One thing I have defo learned is that giant big ride outs aren't for me. I like the med sized (ARTNW) to small rides (Somerset). I bet you can't can't find one person who didn't like somerset it was brilliant. It pi55ed down all weekend, but I loved it.

There is defo a little under current at Org rideouts that is just the wrong side of taking the pi55, but I don't care. I ride how I want to and that's it.

[hongman]

There was one exception DAVE20046, he is a bloody quick rider and sensible with it too, and a nice lad. I followed him round Somerset and I learned a lot just watching him.


Top lad.

[-Ralph-]

Viney's post "Oh hong why do you feel the need to ride so hard"

Oh, how did I miss that! That would have been the subject of some amount of pi$$ taking! ;)

Maybe my pace outweighs my experience and control. But who are other people to judge that?

Experienced riders with a few years under their belt are in a very good position to judge that, and will form an opinion on it. Whether or not they are in a position to voice that opinion to you is another matter which depends very much on personalities and relationships, and on the manner in which they voice that opinion.

[danf1234]

Top lad.

Yeah but the next time he fooks with my clutch switch I will chop his tent down lol!