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JasonH_ 25-07-12 10:34 PM

Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
Hey guys, im going to upgrade my chain and sprocket in a couple weeks and i figured i may aswell upgrade my rear shock an possible my front ones? just wondering which is best for a 16/17stone guy (i know! feel sorry for the bike huh?!) which wouldnt require too much modification (none if thats possible ;) ) as im not that mechanically sound.

as always if this has been covered please point me to where i can get the info?

many thanks guys

jason

joshwalker094 25-07-12 10:39 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
A 2006/07 zx10r shock, they fit perfect, just need to remove heat shield from tool box

joshwalker094 25-07-12 10:40 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Look at this on eBay:

Kawasaki ZX10R (06/07) Rear Shock

http://bit.ly/OG1ne4

JasonH_ 25-07-12 10:50 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joshwalker094 (Post 2748936)
Look at this on eBay:

Kawasaki ZX10R (06/07) Rear Shock

http://bit.ly/OG1ne4

sweet cheers for that mate! do i just take off my old one then put this one in using existing bolts? and will they be okay with me on them as im a big (ish) guy lol

squirrel_hunter 25-07-12 11:01 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
For the rear Ohlins will do you one for around £650, or a GSXR1000 standard unit can be found on eBay for under £100. The question really should be what rear shock can be recommended for the budget of £XXX?

The same for the front, an Ohlins WSBK Spec set of forks is around £10,000 the last time I looked, a GSXR swap can be around the £800 - £1000 mark, or a litre of 15w oil is about £10.

Oh and are you looking to do this yourself or not as labor cost the last time I took a bike in to a garage is c.£50 p/h?

JasonH_ 25-07-12 11:08 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel_hunter (Post 2748941)
For the rear Ohlins will do you one for around £650, or a GSXR1000 standard unit can be found on eBay for under £100. The question really should be what rear shock can be recommended for the budget of £XXX?

The same for the front, an Ohlins WSBK Spec set of forks is around £10,000 the last time I looked, a GSXR swap can be around the £800 - £1000 mark, or a litre of 15w oil is about £10.

Oh and are you looking to do this yourself or not as labor cost the last time I took a bike in to a garage is c.£50 p/h?

hi im on a budget of £3-400? and would probably do this myself providing i get all the necessary information and the confidence to do it. also would this fit my bike?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-Z...#ht_500wt_1054

squirrel_hunter 25-07-12 11:24 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonH_ (Post 2748942)
hi im on a budget of £3-400? and would probably do this myself providing i get all the necessary information and the confidence to do it. also would this fit my bike?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-Z...#ht_500wt_1054

Not sure about that one, I've only ever fitted a GSXR1000 unit to a Pointy but looking at it, I'd guess some modification to the battery box will be needed.

As for doing it yourself, its not actually that bad to do if you have a good set of tools and some equipment to raise the rear like an Abba Stand.

JasonH_ 25-07-12 11:25 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel_hunter (Post 2748945)
Not sure about that one, I've only ever fitted a GSXR1000 unit to a Pointy but looking at it, I'd guess some modification to the battery box will be needed.

As for doing it yourself, its not actually that bad to do if you have a good set of tools and some equipment to raise the rear like an Abba Stand.

ive got some paddock stands and a truck jack if neeeded? did you take it out through the bottom of the bike?

dkid 25-07-12 11:33 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joshwalker094 (Post 2748935)
A 2006/07 zx10r shock, they fit perfect, just need to remove heat shield from tool box

I reckon this'll be undersprung for a 17 stoner Josh. The spring rate is only 8.3kg/mm. Race tech calculator throws up a rear spring rate of around 9.2kg/mm.

I'd choose something with a stiffer spring such as a 2008 zx10r shock. Has a spring rate of 9.1 kg/mm and will suit much better. Admitidly it'll be a little more of a faff to fit but once in I reckon it'd perform better. See link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...COvG24gH#gid=1

Up front some K tech .95 springs and fresh oil will do the job nicely and will come in at around £100. Debrix emulators are another £40 or so quid and will again improve the front end. YC is your man for this!

JasonH_ 25-07-12 11:37 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dkid413 (Post 2748948)
I reckon this'll be undersprung for a 17 stoner Josh. The spring rate is only 8.3kg/mm. Race tech calculator throws up a rear spring rate of around 9.2kg/mm.

I'd choose something with a stiffer spring such as a 2008 zx10r shock. Has a spring rate of 9.1 kg/mm and will suit much better. Admitidly it'll be a little more of a faff to fit but once in I reckon it'd perform better. See link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...COvG24gH#gid=1

Up front some K tech .95 springs and fresh oil will do the job nicely and will come in at around £100. Debrix emulators are another £40 or so quid and will again improve the front end. YC is your man for this!

i cant seem to get him to contact me, but would the 2008 zx10 shock require a lot of messing around? as i wouldnt like to create more work for myself

dkid 25-07-12 11:40 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel_hunter (Post 2748941)
a GSXR1000 standard unit can be found on eBay for under £100.

Reckon this would be better although would need to be 2003/2004 or nothing at OP's weight.
Even then it's still slightly undersprung at 8.6kg/mm but not too far away and defo a big improvment over standard shock I reckon.

JasonH_ 25-07-12 11:43 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel_hunter (Post 2748941)
GSXR1000 standard unit can be found on eBay for under £100.

is it hard to fit the gsxr shock onto the sv?

dkid 25-07-12 11:43 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonH_ (Post 2748949)
i cant seem to get him to contact me, but would the 2008 zx10 shock require a lot of messing around? as i wouldnt like to create more work for myself

Not too sure tbh. I've got a 06 zx10r shock which was easy to fit but im only 12 stone...

Try the search function to see if anyone else has done it or go down the gixer thou route (2003/2004) and just cut battery tray (I think) which aint too bad. There are defo threads on here explaining this including photos etc.

dkid 25-07-12 11:46 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Here you go :)
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.p...r+shock+pointy

JasonH_ 25-07-12 11:49 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dkid413 (Post 2748954)


THANKYOU!! i would have NEVER found that. that doesnt look too hard to do, you think this would be better than the zx10 shock because im heavier? i think works out 17 stone full gear and everything ( including a full stomach of KFC)\\:D/

squirrel_hunter 25-07-12 11:55 PM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonH_ (Post 2748946)
ive got some paddock stands and a truck jack if neeeded? did you take it out through the bottom of the bike?

Paddock stand won't really help as you need to support the bike once the rear suspension unit is removed. If the paddock stand is just on the swing arm then the arm is taking the weight of the bike sent through the shock.

I can't find details on the GSXR swap we did, but this might be of some help...

dkid 25-07-12 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonH_ (Post 2748955)
THANKYOU!! i would have NEVER found that. that doesnt look too hard to do, you think this would be better than the zx10 shock because im heavier? i think works out 17 stone full gear and everything ( including a full stomach of KFC)\\:D/

Yeah I'd say so.
A dremel or similar will make light work of the battery tray and the swap itself is quite simple. Will prob add an hour or so to the job but personally I think it'd be worth it at 17 stone.
Don't get me wrong, the 06 zx10 shock would be an improvement over stock but if your gonna do it you may aswell get the most suitable shock for you.

Obviously if budget was bigger an aftermarket ohlins etc would be best but if you wanna do front as well within a 300-400 budget then I'd try the gixer thou shock or research the earlier zx shock I mentioned in earlier post.
HTH

dkid 25-07-12 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel_hunter (Post 2748956)
Paddock stand won't really help as you need to support the bike once the rear suspension unit is removed. If the paddock stand is just on the swing arm then the arm is taking the weight of the bike sent through the shock.

I can't find details on the GSXR swap we did, but this might be of some help...

I used ratchet straps round frame under rear pillion seat and hung bike from a rafter in the garage. Worked a treat.
Choc the front wheel and/or cable tie round front brake & handle, *EDIT*trolley jack & block of wood to add support if you have one.

Pic shows the front being held up but priciple is the same...
http://forums.sv650.org/picture.php?...pictureid=6373

JasonH_ 26-07-12 12:01 AM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel_hunter (Post 2748956)
Paddock stand won't really help as you need to support the bike once the rear suspension unit is removed. If the paddock stand is just on the swing arm then the arm is taking the weight of the bike sent through the shock.

I can't find details on the GSXR swap we did, but this might be of some help...

ah i see thanks mate

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkid413 (Post 2748957)
Yeah I'd say so.
A dremel or similar will make light work of the battery tray and the swap itself is quite simple. Will prob add an hour or so to the job but personally I think it'd be worth it at 17 stone.
Don't get me wrong, the 06 zx10 shock would be an improvement over stock but if your gonna do it you may aswell get the most suitable shock for you.

Obviously if budget was bigger an aftermarket ohlins etc would be best but if you wanna do front as well within a 300-400 budget then I'd try the gixer thou shock or research the earlier zx shock I mentioned in earlier post.
HTH

what about the bolts? it looks like im guna need some longer bolts for the gixxer shock? any idea where to purchase these?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkid413 (Post 2748959)
I used ratchet straps round frame under rear pillion seat and hung bike from a rafter in the garage. Worked a treat.
Choc the front wheel and/or cable tie round front brake & handle.

sweet ill get some straps

squirrel_hunter 26-07-12 12:03 AM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dkid413 (Post 2748959)
I used ratchet straps round frame under rear pillion seat and hung bike from a rafter in the garage. Worked a treat.
Choc the front wheel and/or cable tie round front brake & handle.

That should work as well. I've done similar to take the front end off of a SV to load it into the back of a Land Rover before. The only problem I had when doing that was the bike did sway a little when I was arguing with a particularly stubborn bolt.

dkid 26-07-12 12:04 AM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonH_ (Post 2748960)
ah i see thanks mate


what about the bolts? it looks like im guna need some longer bolts for the gixxer shock? any idea where to purchase these?



sweet ill get some straps


Here
http://www.wemoto.com/

squirrel_hunter 26-07-12 12:07 AM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonH_ (Post 2748960)
what about the bolts? it looks like im guna need some longer bolts for the gixxer shock? any idea where to purchase these?

Check your nearest trading estate I used a local supplier. Don't even bother trying B&Q or similar.

JasonH_ 26-07-12 12:08 AM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dkid413 (Post 2748962)

sweet thanks. am i looking at bolts under sv650 or gsxr100? an i think i will see which shock i can get cheapest and depending on that i will go either way as regards to installing it :D tthanks for the help guys
ill keep you posted

dkid 26-07-12 12:09 AM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonH_ (Post 2748965)
sweet thanks. am i looking at bolts under sv650 or gsxr100? an i think i will see which shock i can get cheapest and depending on that i will go either way as regards to installing it :D tthanks for the help guys
ill keep you posted

GSXR. You already have SV bolts :rolleyes:

Best of luck with it.

JasonH_ 26-07-12 12:13 AM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dkid413 (Post 2748967)
GSXR. You already have SV bolts :rolleyes:

Best of luck with it.

:help: thanks mate :D i appreciate it!!

SV650Racer 26-07-12 09:35 AM

Re: Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
For a £300-£400 budget Id stick a Nitron sport shock built to your weight into the bike (£340 to org members) and a set of K-Tech fork springs for £76.50 and then new oil and set the air gap. Just a tad over £400 but will work miles better than a GSXR shock and the nitron will be worth at least £250 secondhand when you come to sell the bike, unlike the GSXR shock.

Worth considering, the SV has a very good chassis and is worth it if your budget will stretch to it.

Runako 26-07-12 10:34 AM

Re: Which Shock To Get?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonH_ (Post 2748942)
hi im on a budget of £3-400? and would probably do this myself providing i get all the necessary information and the confidence to do it. also would this fit my bike?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-Z...#ht_500wt_1054

If you want something sprung and weighted to you but with damping/rebound adjustment and a warranty, I found about this site that makes a shock to drop straight into the SV650 for £350 all in - http://www.shock-factory.co.uk/m-sho...uki-to650.html

Oh, forgot to say that I have a ZX shock and needed to modify the battery box etc (in fact bought a smaller battery). I would do it again if necessary but a brand new shock for £350 that bolts straight in os probably a better investment IMO. Then again I got my shock for £60 second hand ...

The Guru 26-07-12 10:54 AM

Re: Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
ZZR1400 shock is pretty much a straight swap. You only need to remove the bit of plastic thats screwed to the side of the battery box with 3x screws. I don't see what purpose it served anyway...

Runako 26-07-12 11:11 AM

Re: Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Guru (Post 2749114)
ZZR1400 shock is pretty much a straight swap. You only need to remove the bit of plastic thats screwed to the side of the battery box with 3x screws. I don't see what purpose it served anyway...

Yeah but these are like goldust in my experience. Looked high and low for them at the time and nothing came up on the second hand market (even on Kawa forums). But, agreed that this would have been the easiest solution.

sniff 26-07-12 02:18 PM

Re: Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
I've got a ZX6 2006 rear on my K9 S. This list gives you all the info you need about what is compatable for the SV.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...COvG24gH#gid=1

650 26-07-12 04:14 PM

Re: Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
Just a question, these ZX10R shocks, they add about 10mm height to the bikes rear end if I've been informed correctly? Anyone got a before and after picture at all?

Thanks :)

dkid 26-07-12 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 650 (Post 2749283)
Just a question, these ZX10R shocks, they add about 10mm height to the bikes rear end if I've been informed correctly? Anyone got a before and after picture at all?

Thanks :)

You'd be hard pushed to see the difference in a photo tbh.
I'm only 5'8 and was a tad worried about the rear end rise but I needn't of worried. It's not drastic and the performance of the new shock over the old one makes it well worth it.
A 2nd hand lowered seat can be picked up for around £40 if needed.

dkid 26-07-12 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sniff (Post 2749208)
I've got a ZX6 2006 rear on my K9 S. This list gives you all the info you need about what is compatable for the SV.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...COvG24gH#gid=1

Yep, it's also on page 1 of this thread ;)

Elliott 26-07-12 04:29 PM

Re: Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-Z...item416887881b

650 26-07-12 04:34 PM

Re: Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
Cheers Dkid. To be honest with you, I do want a bit of a rise but I'm reluctant to go down the shock & dog bone route as I've read some **** stuff about this causing tank slappers to be more common. Which I fear deeply :mrgreen:

dkid 26-07-12 04:39 PM

Would have to be more of a rise than the 06/07 zx10r shock gives to cause you any worries I suspect.

I have the above shock (8mm longer than stock) and have dropped the front end 5mm through the top yoke. No tank slappers and the bike seems fine at +100 mph (on private roads officer).
Turns in quicker than before and a bit easier to flick around.

This shock still too soft for the OP though (17 stone). As mentioned, I'm 12 stone and it works well for me.

650 26-07-12 04:42 PM

Re: Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
cool. I'd love to go down the gsxr rear tail route but can't be arsed with all the machining that needs to go into it. Don't have access to stuff to do it anymore, boooo :(

JasonH_ 26-07-12 08:56 PM

Re: Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
so a zzr1400 would be a straight swap?

chester_dio 26-07-12 09:12 PM

Re: Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
Yes zzr1400 (look on ebay for zx14) shock is identical in shape to the zx10r 06-07 shock but with a spring and valving ideal for a 15-16 stone rider. It is VERY easy to fit. Here are some:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/06-07-08-0...#ht_878wt_1270
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-06-07...#ht_859wt_1037
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/06-11-Kawa...ht_3364wt_1037

Bibio 26-07-12 09:13 PM

Re: Which replacement shock for Pointy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SV650Racer (Post 2749080)
For a £300-£400 budget Id stick a Nitron sport shock built to your weight into the bike (£340 to org members) and a set of K-Tech fork springs for £76.50 and then new oil and set the air gap. Just a tad over £400 but will work miles better than a GSXR shock and the nitron will be worth at least £250 secondhand when you come to sell the bike, unlike the GSXR shock.

Worth considering, the SV has a very good chassis and is worth it if your budget will stretch to it.

you could go for a ZZR/GSXR shock but since you say you have £400 then i would suggest you take up SV650Racer's offer. your shock will be built for you and your bike add to that the front springs and it will transform your bike. Nitron shocks hold their value so if you want to sell your bike say next year you will get around £250 for it and £50 for the springs (keep your old shock and springs) so you would only be spending £160. if you plan on keeping your bike for a good while then you will be rewarded with a better bike. the SV is an absolute cracking bike once the suspension is sorted out. ooohhh and the Nitron is a straight drop in with no modification or cutting things. out the box and they are usually spot on and don't need adjusted.


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