starting on the cold mornings! - Page 2 - SV650.org

northwind · 27-09-06, 03:28 PM

I got the new Yuasa high cold-cranking output (CCA) battery last year, it really makes a difference in really bad starting conditions- such as digging it out of a snowdrift one day then riding to work, or finding it with a thick sheet of ice down one side after a day in freezing rain at work. It just spins the starter faster and harder, as well as having a higher capacity than standard. Wee bit more expensive than standard, but not massively.

Also, iridium plugs seem to help a little in cold and wet starts... Make no difference ay other time that I can tell, though. Still no use if the battery's not up to scratch though.

Mark_h · 27-09-06, 07:21 PM

Ihad exactly the same proble last winter (2001 carbed). Made worse when it would start, run for 5 seconds, flood and die. Firstly I made a point of turning off the lights when starting on a cold morning (usually just left them switched on). This helped a bit, but when it got really cold got the same problem. Then I invested in an opti-mate and have never looked back.

Started on the button first time every time all winter. Left the plug hanging ouf of the gap where my grab handle used to be so didn't even have to take the seat off.

Also switched to super unleaded which stopped the stalling problem and gave me about 20 more miles to a tank so more than paid for itself.

29-09-06, 04:47 PM

so this opti-mate can i say use it 3 days a week and the battery will be fine or dose it have to be used every day ?

i might go for one of those batterys that northeys got n then dec time i might invest in one just to keep it good and use it on me lc

when not on the SV

29-09-06, 09:29 PM

ooo and whare did u get ur battery from northey?

is there a part number ? or is it jsut a CCA?

ta

northwind · 29-09-06, 10:33 PM

Can't remember where from. Embee might remember, he was good enough to point me in the right direction when I got mine... Or, I think they're recommended fitment for Deuvilles so a Hinda dealer might be a good bet?

I think it's a YTZ12S. It's a little taller than standard but it fits fine if you take away the wee plastic fusebox retainer thing, it's just a pain in the bum anyway. Think you have a curvy, anyway? The 14S would fit, but it was really expensive.

Just had a wee google, and the only one I found was

http://www.inter-bike.co.uk/inter-bi...FQ3lVgodygi5KQ

But it's £55

I paid £45, I think. IMO, £55 is still worth it, but it's not cheap...

29-09-06, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpinestarhero

Im a little worried now - I have just brought a 99 SV, which i'll start using in the winter (to get to university exams). Is it just a problem with the original battery, or do aftermarket batteries have the same problem?

Matt

My '01 SV don't like cold mornings either... But when I talk some nice things to her and give choke(???) she starts kindly.

Offtopic...

Oh... Ride a bike in the winter... Well, I can only dream about it

10 to 15cm (1cm ~ 0,393in) snow, -5-25C degrees cold.

There is allready some snow in Lapland...

30-09-06, 10:19 AM

i did a lil e baying for anyone else who may want one of these bats

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Top-quality-Va...QQcmdZViewItem

thats for the one northey said should fit

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Top-quality-Va...QQcmdZViewItem

and the slightly bigger one im just gona pop down bristol batterys n c what they have hehe!

btu those e bay batterys claim they are the same as yuasa???

duno if they are but they have the same codes???

northwind · 30-09-06, 02:09 PM

Went on the Varta site, and they don't seem to quite match, but close

YTZ12ABS (Yuasa) is standard for the SV according to Yuasa. 150x87x105, 9.5ah, 175CCA

The YTZ14S (Yuasa) is the one that was too rich for my money, 150x87x110, 11.2ah, 230CCA

The YTZ12S (Yuasa) is the one I got, 150x87x110, 11ah, 210CCA

And the Vartas...

509901020 is the one supposed to be the same as the YTZ12S, but according to Varta's site is the same size and just 9ah. They don't quote the CCA(PS) figure as Yuasa do, but quote cold test current which is sort of similiar., 200EN(A) whatever that is.

501902023 is the YTZ14S equivalent, same size and 11ah. Cold test current is quoted as 230EN(A).

So, they might be the same, or they might not

It could be just that tey're using different measurement standards, or that one or the other of the websites is wrong. Anyone better informed?

Excellent find though, even if they're not exactly the same they might be a better option. They'll all fit either SV, though curvies will lack headroom and probably need the fusebox holder removed. As far as I'm concerned, no loss at all that.

embee · 30-09-06, 09:47 PM

Northy has summed it all up.

My Deauville came new from the dealer fitted with a YTZ10S, which wasn't the specified battery for the model but is listed for several Honda models so I guess they happened to have one on the shelf. Even the 10 spins it pretty fast when cold, so a YTZ12S should be a scorcher. The battery specified for it only gives a cold cranking current of 120Amps, which puts things into perspective, the YTZ range of batteries really are a big improvement.

Iridium plugs will genuinely help cold starting, so £15 well spent I'd suggest.
http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/ are a good supplier, competitive pricing and next day delivery (no connection, happy customer

)

27-09-06, 03:28 PM	#11
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	I got the new Yuasa high cold-cranking output (CCA) battery last year, it really makes a difference in really bad starting conditions- such as digging it out of a snowdrift one day then riding to work, or finding it with a thick sheet of ice down one side after a day in freezing rain at work. It just spins the starter faster and harder, as well as having a higher capacity than standard. Wee bit more expensive than standard, but not massively. Also, iridium plugs seem to help a little in cold and wet starts... Make no difference ay other time that I can tell, though. Still no use if the battery's not up to scratch though. __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

27-09-06, 07:21 PM	#12
Mark_h Member Mega Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fleet, Hampshire Posts: 2,448	Ihad exactly the same proble last winter (2001 carbed). Made worse when it would start, run for 5 seconds, flood and die. Firstly I made a point of turning off the lights when starting on a cold morning (usually just left them switched on). This helped a bit, but when it got really cold got the same problem. Then I invested in an opti-mate and have never looked back. Started on the button first time every time all winter. Left the plug hanging ouf of the gap where my grab handle used to be so didn't even have to take the seat off. Also switched to super unleaded which stopped the stalling problem and gave me about 20 more miles to a tank so more than paid for itself. __________________ Don't want to be the quickest; don't want to be the best; just want to be the one having the most fun. XL125Varadero -> Curvy SV650N-Y -> SV1000N-K3 -> Multistrada 1200s Twin-tastic stuff. Minister for Sustainability *Aliquid prudentissimus delectabiles et intelligentes in adamasset lingua.*

29-09-06, 10:33 PM	#15
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	Can't remember where from. Embee might remember, he was good enough to point me in the right direction when I got mine... Or, I think they're recommended fitment for Deuvilles so a Hinda dealer might be a good bet? I think it's a YTZ12S. It's a little taller than standard but it fits fine if you take away the wee plastic fusebox retainer thing, it's just a pain in the bum anyway. Think you have a curvy, anyway? The 14S would fit, but it was really expensive. Just had a wee google, and the only one I found was http://www.inter-bike.co.uk/inter-bi...FQ3lVgodygi5KQ But it's £55 I paid £45, I think. IMO, £55 is still worth it, but it's not cheap... __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

30-09-06, 02:09 PM	#18
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	Went on the Varta site, and they don't seem to quite match, but close YTZ12ABS (Yuasa) is standard for the SV according to Yuasa. 150x87x105, 9.5ah, 175CCA The YTZ14S (Yuasa) is the one that was too rich for my money, 150x87x110, 11.2ah, 230CCA The YTZ12S (Yuasa) is the one I got, 150x87x110, 11ah, 210CCA And the Vartas... 509901020 is the one supposed to be the same as the YTZ12S, but according to Varta's site is the same size and just 9ah. They don't quote the CCA(PS) figure as Yuasa do, but quote cold test current which is sort of similiar., 200EN(A) whatever that is. 501902023 is the YTZ14S equivalent, same size and 11ah. Cold test current is quoted as 230EN(A). So, they might be the same, or they might not It could be just that tey're using different measurement standards, or that one or the other of the websites is wrong. Anyone better informed? Excellent find though, even if they're not exactly the same they might be a better option. They'll all fit either SV, though curvies will lack headroom and probably need the fusebox holder removed. As far as I'm concerned, no loss at all that. __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

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29-09-06, 04:47 PM	#13
suzsv650 Guest Posts: n/a	so this opti-mate can i say use it 3 days a week and the battery will be fine or dose it have to be used every day ? i might go for one of those batterys that northeys got n then dec time i might invest in one just to keep it good and use it on me lc when not on the SV

29-09-06, 09:29 PM	#14
suzsv650 Guest Posts: n/a	ooo and whare did u get ur battery from northey? is there a part number ? or is it jsut a CCA? ta

30-09-06, 10:19 AM	#17
suzsv650 Guest Posts: n/a	i did a lil e baying for anyone else who may want one of these bats http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Top-quality-Va...QQcmdZViewItem thats for the one northey said should fit http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Top-quality-Va...QQcmdZViewItem and the slightly bigger one im just gona pop down bristol batterys n c what they have hehe! btu those e bay batterys claim they are the same as yuasa??? duno if they are but they have the same codes???

30-09-06, 09:47 PM	#19
embee Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 2,804	Northy has summed it all up. My Deauville came new from the dealer fitted with a YTZ10S, which wasn't the specified battery for the model but is listed for several Honda models so I guess they happened to have one on the shelf. Even the 10 spins it pretty fast when cold, so a YTZ12S should be a scorcher. The battery specified for it only gives a cold cranking current of 120Amps, which puts things into perspective, the YTZ range of batteries really are a big improvement. Iridium plugs will genuinely help cold starting, so £15 well spent I'd suggest. http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/ are a good supplier, competitive pricing and next day delivery (no connection, happy customer )