To de-restrict or to not de-restrict that is the question

[dizzyblonde]

my view is....it takes a long time and a lot of money to get your full license in the first place....takes two secs to ruin all that effort. Chris knows my views as i have aired them on many an occasion in my kitchen....people on restriction still have to behave for a period of time, just the same as us on full power.....2 years....keep your nose clean...the benefits far outway the results of being caught....if you do....you got your license for a reason, to enjoy biking....can't enjoy it without

I don't think many folk would try to argue that riding a full power bike on a 33bhp license is a good idea.

But if Plowsie wasn't leaving before this thread, he's probably feels pretty crap about the .org now after reading a whole discussion about it.

I've never met Plowsie and don't know him from Adam, so this is a third party perspective judging only by what I've read in these two threads.

Plowsie's done a bit of a daft thing riding unrestricted and a dafter thing by admitting to it on a public forum, but are all those folk (including me) on the "What speed have you had out of your SV?" threads any better? 125, 135 mph, many on a public road?

He's got a new bike now and he says it's being restricted before he picks it up. Everyone deserves the chance to correct a daft thing that they've done and do the right thing in the end. I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss our views on the riding of unrestricted bikes, but regards direct references to Plowsie, lets give him a break.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

I don't think many folk would try to argue that riding a full power bike on a 33bhp license is a good idea.

But if Plowsie wasn't leaving before this thread, he's probably feels pretty crap about the .org now after reading a whole discussion about it.

I've never met Plowsie and don't know him from Adam, so this is a third party perspective judging only by what I've read in these two threads.

Plowsie's done a bit of a daft thing riding unrestricted and a dafter thing by admitting to it on a public forum, but are all those folk (including me) on the "What speed have you had out of your SV?" threads any better?

He's got a new bike now and he says it's being restricted before he picks it up. Everyone deserves the chance to correct a daft thing that they've done and do the right thing in the end. I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss our views on the riding of unrestricted bikes, but regards direct references to Plowsie, lets give him a break.

well said that man....now can we all get on like nice orgers again.....carry on discussing in hypothetical terms

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

but regards direct references to Plowsie, lets give him a break.

Apart from me editing the first post to give an explanation of where the thread has come from and by way of explanation as to why I locked the other thread I dont see anybody as making direct refences to him.

the idea of spliting those posts out of the other thread was that so a discussion / debate could be had on the subject without him feeling like its all directed at him.

If I didnt make that clear at the top of thread then thats my bad. But I notice that so far a discussion is being had on the subject matter without naming names until your post above...

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

***'s done a bit of a daft thing riding unrestricted and a dafter thing by admitting to it on a public forum, but are all those folk (including me) on the "What speed have you had out of your SV?" threads any better? 125, 135 mph, many on a public road?

I've only tested my top speed on Autobahn's, private race tracks and one way toll roads. Suffice to say the SV isn't quick.

Any time on the road you should be looking for fuzz.

You know this "new" law about a restricted motorcycle licence was brought in for a damn good reason. People that flout it are being dumb and taking unnecessary risks.

I may have mentioned this before, but in a previous life one of my "duties" in the army was driving instructor. This was anything from a bike to a tank. I taught many students how to ride and pass their test. I also then watched them go out and buy a nice big super sport motorcycle. I also saw them a few weeks later battered and broken without a bike. They just were not ready and did not have the experience to ride those big machines. It was for this reason this law was created.

It gave the individual the decision to choose which path they would prefer to take. Not to take the cheapest one, and then break the law.

This is a thread created to discuss the topic not discuss any one individual that may or may not have flouted this law. Any references I or anyone else makes should not be directed at any individual so there are no persecutions going on. Don't assume there is.

I asked the question as I did not know what the answer was. I wanted clarification, but even now I don't think we have had it. At the end of the day, if someone was on the road knowing to be breaking the law, then I suggest they would be more likely to flee from the scene of an accident fearing the repercussions of being caught than if they were legal but simply made an error in judgement. Point being any third party is more likely to be stuffed than not.

And for Jordan. I do not ride an un modified motorcycle. But my insurance do know all of my modifications. When I told them about the changes I had made with the fork internals, they were not interested. When I told them about the upgraded rear shock they were not interested. When I told them about my paint job (and the fact I did it myself and it was crap) they were not interested. And so on... The only thing they made an issue with was the exhaust. But I told them it was an illegal race exhaust and they were also not interested. But just to be sure I got them to write to me and confirm they were still willing to honour my insurance in the knowledge I had such an end can fitted.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

"What speed have you had out of your SV?" threads any better? 125, 135 mph, many on a public road?

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

..carry on discussing in hypothetical terms

See my earlier post.

We've all done illegal things, but its a really daft idea admitting them, hence why every time I've done 95 on my restricted SV has been, conveniently, on a private runway. (hint, hint)

People on restricted licenses, if you're going to derestrict, then don't tell us about it. I know I don't want to know. And everybody else will think you're a tit.

Also other people who are inclined towards giving lectures about the law, chances are whoever may be involved knows what it is and what the consequences could be. So leave it, don't ask questions about bikes being restricted, its not your bike, your licence or your freedom at stake and it tends to cause awkward situations.
I don't appreciate people accusing me of riding without a license, so don't do it eh?

So, just like every time we test the top speed of our bikes its on our own convenient private airstrips, or even someone elses, maybe it would be best to just leave people be about restrictor kits? Don't condone it, but leave the accusations and lectures at home.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Only if they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the undisclosed modifications caused the accident, its not just "no insurance"

Not true, last year I trashed an SV and my leg when I was stationary and was hit from the side. The bike was written off and there was a huge legal debate about my GSXR front end, even though I was stationary and my braking was never in the equation. Only having a crafty but top end solicitor got me out of that mess!

Trust me, it doesn't have to have been a 'contributing to the accident' modification for the police and insurance companies to take a bad look on things!

[yorkie_chris]

I'll bear that in mind when I renew mine.

(bennetts wanted £1000 extra because of twin lamps)

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

"What speed have you had out of your SV?" threads any better? 125, 135 mph, many on a public road?

.

As soon as my ZX is run in ill let you know if it really can do 165, and yes it will be on public road, probably the M4 early spring morning. so there!!!