Continuous Insurance enforcement

[yorkie_chris]

Aren't there enough criminals without making more of them?

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Aren't there enough criminals without making more of them?

Not when the new criminals you make are a soft target and likely to actually pay the fines imposed on them.

Just declare it sorn and get cash back on any outstanding tax, is it really that hard?

I have already made my thoughts on the matter clear earlier in the thread. No its not that hard. I bet you thought the national ID card was a good idea as well.

Originally Posted by irons

Another quick point is it won't fine any innocent road user. It will be law that if your vehicle is not sorn it has to be taxed and insured, either of those missing and your breaking the law thus making you not innocent.
Pain in the neck for some people yes bit it's always been the case that of your vehicle is off road for some time it should be declared
Why would anyone want to pay more tax than they need to?

Where is the danger of not taxing or insuring a vehicle which is not on the road? Why should it be made law?

My partners bike cost £30 ish to tax for the year. It's not worth the hassle of going through the process of surrending the tax disc for two months rebate. I only tax my bike 6 months at a time. I wouldn't bother surrending my tax for two months either.

You also stated regarding the SORN that it's always been like that. No it hasn't. I was as p*ss*d off about when that got introduced as I am about the continuous insurance thing.

Originally Posted by irons

Just declare it sorn and get cash back on any outstanding tax, is it really that hard?

In truth, no it isn't that hard. But that's not the point. Making me a potential criminal just because I have a vehicle which I don't use so don't insure or tax is just wrong.

Originally Posted by specialone

Ok what about this for scenarios, actually mine earlier in the year.

I had a lambretta, classic scoot, free tax, but still have to apply every year.
Sold my lambretta, guy didnt pick it up for three weeks, lived in france,my insurance had been cancelled for another policy on the my DRZ which i bought through the sale of my scoot.
Scoot sat in my garage, taxed (albeit free) with no insurance on it, so, scenario 1, thoughts?

Second scenario, i bought my sprint in may, crappy offer on trade in, so bought the sprint then sold my sv privately 3 weeks later.
As soon as i bought my sprint i changed policy over, wasnt gonna do multi bike for 3 weeks or less, so sv sat in my garage taxed but not insured? would i be fined?
Its bolox, end of.

This is the best scenario in this thread IMO.

It means that you can't buy a bike and switch your insurance policy to your new bike, unless you surrender the tax on the old one, or you sell it at the same time. When you surrender the tax, you don't get the full pro-rata value back. The tax on the old one may have been a selling point. Also then nobody can test ride it. When somebody does buy it without having ridden it, they still can't ride it away until they have the documents to tax it. You won't give them the documents until they give you the cash. They won't give you the cash, unless you give them the bike, which they can't ride away.

Sure Irons will find some way to argue with this post, but whichever way you cut it, it's a pain in the ar$e.

[MisterTommyH]

Originally Posted by irons

Just declare it sorn and get cash back on any outstanding tax, is it really that hard?

It's the fact that the choice is being taken away. Plus there are now two offences for failing to fill in one form!

Also you now can't sell a bike with x months tax, so the new buyer has to go to the post office to buy new tax (what's if its a private sale on a Sunday), but they can't buy tax without a valid insurance certificate, which they won't have if they only brought the insurance after seeing the bike. What if they travelled across the country to see the bike and need to take it the same day, how do they do that legally?

It's just a lot or inconvenience to people who try to stay legal, and all for not about of gain

i have said its going to be a pain in the ar$e for some people and at certain times. so actually i 100% agree with your latest post. i have never said its totally fair on everyone.
altho i do feel you selling the bike will not be a problem. as i have already stated, they dont send you out a fine as soon as your vehicle becomes taxed but with no insurance. they send you a reminder letter for you to take action on. Now i would hope that you would be able to inform them of the fact its in the process of being sold and you have transferred your insurance to a new vehicle. we dont know if that will be the case yet but then again we dont know it wont be so its a pointless argument at this stage.
if they just sent out fines as soon as a person's insurance run;s out then id agree its very harsh as honest mistakes can be made. The fact you get a reminder to take some kind of action leaves it down to the individual

it is inconvenience, it is abit of ar$e ache but in the grand scheme of it is it worth it in order to 'try' and cut the number of uninsured drivers on our roads? i think so, thats all im saying. Does that really make me stupid Ralph?

certain members on here seem to think their way of thinking is the only way. Im not battering you because i disagree with your view. chill out and play nice

I agree with all of the posts made on this thread today, by all of the users, except one individual. All of the posts made on this thread today, without exception (!), have been made in order to disagree with that same individual. Of the 127 posts in the thread since it started, the majority of users posting today, myself included, agree with the majority of those posts.

I think there's only one member in this thread who thinks his way of thinking is the only one.

no i dont think my way is the only way mate, far from it, i have not once questioned anyone on this thread as to why they have a certain view. as soon as someone comes along that has a slightly different out look on something you go all childish and start chucking insults into your post's!!
some posts are stating innocent drivers with get fined etc etc, will they? how do you know? wait till they do then moan about it!!
Its not going to affect me in the slightest as i tax and insure my vehicles all year every year so why would i think its a bad idea?
you dont have to agree with me but dont insult me because i dont think the same way you do!