petiot fuel prices...

Originally Posted by neio79

worryingly I think they have the capability!!

Highly unlikely. One thing the U.S.A does not want to do is get involved in any kind of conflict with China. The mere body numbers the Chinese could throw at that is incredible. I would not for one second doubt that the chinese themselves have Nuke capabilities also.

Though it might pain us, we need the chinese more than you could imagine. Remove them from the world economy and the cost of fuel would be the least of our concerns.

welcome back mr Pedrosa, where you been hiding?

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Highly unlikely. One thing the U.S.A does not want to do is get involved in any kind of conflict with China. The mere body numbers the Chinese could throw at that is incredible. I would not for one second doubt that the chinese themselves have Nuke capabilities themselves also.

Though it might pain us, we need the chinese more than you could imagine. Remove them from the world economy and the cost of fuel would be the least of our concerns.

+1.

Originally Posted by neio79

welcome back mr Pedrosa, where you been hiding?

Hi Sarge!

I have been busy riding a roller coaster of frustration and stress over recent months and so thought best not to cloud the forum.

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Hi Sarge!

I have been busy riding a roller coaster of frustration and stress over recent months and so thought best not to cloud the forum.

well glad you could join us,i look forward to your input once again.

Oh dear there are some horrendously worrying things going on in this thread. The high price of petrol is ultimately due simply to the fact that oil is running out. Even with China's massive increase in demand, if oil was like sea water, nobody would be having any problems. How can anyone blame China for developing? They are doing what Britain and America have done, it would be majorly hypocritical of us to want to "nuke" them because their economy is flourishing. Its also hard to beleive that some people seem to have forgotten how utterly terrible a world war is?! Anyway, I'm sure (I hope) that noone here actually wants the US to attack China, as the consequences of that would be a thousand times worse than expensive petrol. In summary, it is a global problem that China is going to have to face too, and we need to ALL live a lot greener and a lot less opulent with regards to fossil fuels if we don't want the earth to turn into a massive polluted cesspit Mad Max scenario.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by arenalife

Ithe winners are those who can find alternatives to their dependence on it or reduce their need.

Which is what Liz and I are doing. We've got rid off one motorbike and one of our cars has gone.

I now cycle to work which saves money. Liz has started using the Diesel car to get to work instead of the bike as even with the high cost of diesel its still saving us money each month.

We've been talking about Liz getting a job closer to home so that it cuts down the amount of commuting miles she does.

We've even taken to using the pusher to cycle into town to go and do shopping etc.

We're a nation of lazy b*ggers who live miles away from where we work, there are other forms of transport available, its just none are as convenient as the car is. If you want to save money you have to make sacrifices.

I watched the traffic the other day when I was cycling home. I beat most of the cars to my house and was going along the cycle lane adjacent to the road faster than the cars were. Also I dont have to stress about finding somehere to park when I get to work now either.

It took a huge culture change in me to do this and it wasnt an easy thing to do, but it can be done if you make some effort. Perhaps thats whats wrong with our society, we'd all rather moan about it, than do something constructive to change the way we live our lives...

On the oil issue, the only way one can ever see the barrel crude price deflate is by customer pressure. In that those countries that need to import it, draw a line as to the price they are willing to pay. Getting to that point would of course mean a lot of pain for the people of those countries.

The flip side to that of course is that the producers refuse to drop the price or worse, when the importers are forced in to submission,they end up paying a highly inflated price as the producers seek to refill their coffers following the customer demonstration in order to make up what they lost whilst the dipute went on.

There is no quick fix or totally painless answer to this situation that I can see. One way might be for technology to improve so that the lesser quality crude oil can be used more for the likes of gas oil and petrol. If that happens then Brent would be of more value and other oil fields whose barrel price is much lower presently due to it's limited usage.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

Perhaps thats whats wrong with our society, we'd all rather moan about it, than do something constructive to change the way we live our lives...

Couldn't agree more. In more ways than one.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

Which is what Liz and I are doing. We've got rid off one motorbike and one of our cars has gone.

I now cycle to work which saves money. Liz has started using the Diesel car to get to work instead of the bike as even with the high cost of diesel its still saving us money each month.

We've been talking about Liz getting a job closer to home so that it cuts down the amount of commuting miles she does.

We've even taken to using the pusher to cycle into town to go and do shopping etc.

We're a nation of lazy b*ggers who live miles away from where we work, there are other forms of transport available, its just none are as convenient as the car is. If you want to save money you have to make sacrifices.

I watched the traffic the other day when I was cycling home. I beat most of the cars to my house and was going along the cycle lane adjacent to the road faster than the cars were. Also I dont have to stress about finding somehere to park when I get to work now either.

It took a huge culture change in me to do this and it wasnt an easy thing to do, but it can be done if you make some effort. Perhaps thats whats wrong with our society, we'd all rather moan about it, than do something constructive to change the way we live our lives...

honestly well done. That is what we all need to do, it would ease so much congestion and petrol demand in this country. I am trying to find alternatives to getting to work (although I work 16 miles away in a field so it is hard) and I am seriously rethinking using the car to just jet around visiting friends and making pleasure journeys. There is talk of my work moving to Oxford centre in which caswe I could cycle and save money and get fit at the same time. I would be overjoyed.