illegal exhausts

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

What?

So sticking something over it is fine, but sticking something over it is perverting the course of justice?

sticking a plain sticker over the NFRU just covers it, sticking a BS mark sticker over it implies that the can meets British Standard mark requirements...

[Ratty]

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Sticking an E or BS marked band over the top of 'Not for Road Use' is illegal and is basically perverting the course of justice. You are not committing an offence if you simply remove those words from the can or stick something else over them. My MOT man tells me he'd fail a bike for having an aftermarket E or BS sticker/plate, but is happy to pass an unmarked can that is a bit too loud - he doesn't like people trying to take the p!ss out of him.

He was up-front with the guy at the MOT stn and the bike passed. Now chopped in for a Milie with a pair of titanium Akra's (removable baffles) Sounds fantastic.

Ratty

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Sticking an E or BS marked band over the top of 'Not for Road Use' is illegal and is basically perverting the course of justice. You are not committing an offence if you simply remove those words from the can or stick something else over them.

If your can is 'NFRU' and you stick one of those E or BS marked bands on it then that is perverting the course of justice, you are claiming that a NFRU is actually legal and you will end up in even more trouble if a copper took it all the way!

Now you can cover it up (not with a E/BS stamp!!!) or polish it out, but to be honest its a waste of time as legally if the can isn't stamped at all then it is NFRU. My M4 system is not stamped and this is a problem I experience everytime I get pulled. The best thing to do is just leave the can as is, don't stick on a fake E/BS stamp as you can end up in more trouble!!!

[yorkie_chris]

By that logic if you take the baffle out of a legal can you're commiting some grave offence.

My can is way too lud, but has provision for a baffle, it is E marked, and if they did take it "all the way" then they have no grounds to state what sort of baffle should be used with that can. Could be a cork for all they can prove.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

By that logic if you take the baffle out of a legal can you're commiting some grave offence.

Exactly true Chris, even a removed baffle on an E/BS stamped removable baffle can is perverting the course of justice, as the baffle should never be taken out when the vehicle is to be used on the public highway (apparently). Thats why the bolt which secures the baffle in place had to be spot welded in place when the removable baffle cans were first launched, now it doesn't seem to matter as much.

Either way the likelihood of a copper taking it any further are remote, they are more than happy to whack you with the fine and fill in a short form than try to prosecute and spend days on initial paperwork (this comes from my cousin, a Sgt in the traffic division).

[yorkie_chris]

Well they'd have to sieze the bike to do anything, otherwise just accidentally re-fit the standard can or the baffle.

I know, it would accidentally fall on in record time too!!!

Also, if you have a can that's not road legal on then your insurance is invalid so if you're in a crash then not only will the insurance potentially not pay out, the police will probably do you for riding without insurance.

Fitting a non-road legal can is a construction and use offence, which carries a fine and penalty points whereas if you're stupid enough to file off the "not for road use" markings or, even worse, put a sticker over the top to make them look like road legal cans, then that's a dishonesty offence.

edit: you have to remember that the noisier your bike, the more likely you are to attract police attention. If you go through any quiet village or suburb with a race can on then it's highly likely that someone will phone the neighbourhood policing team because the noise will **** everyone off. One of the reasons why so many people don't like bikers is because of how noisy bikes are compared to cars; given that road legal exhausts can be enormously loud and sound great while still being legal, why hack people off and run the risk of attracting police attention by fitting an even louder illegal can?

There's some basic information about exhausts and the law over here, which is from a solicitors who specialise in bikes.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by ranathari

Also, if you have a can that's not road legal on then your insurance is invalid so if you're in a crash then not only will the insurance potentially not pay out, the police will probably do you for riding without insurance.

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by ranathari

Also, if you have a can that's not road legal on then your insurance is invalid so if you're in a crash then not only will the insurance potentially not pay out, the police will probably do you for riding without insurance.

Fitting a non-road legal can is a construction and use offence, which carries a fine and penalty points whereas if you're stupid enough to file off the "not for road use" markings or, even worse, put a sticker over the top to make them look like road legal cans, then that's a dishonesty offence.

edit: you have to remember that the noisier your bike, the more likely you are to attract police attention. If you go through any quiet village or suburb with a race can on then it's highly likely that someone will phone the neighbourhood policing team because the noise will **** everyone off. One of the reasons why so many people don't like bikers is because of how noisy bikes are compared to cars; given that road legal exhausts can be enormously loud and sound great while still being legal, why hack people off and run the risk of attracting police attention by fitting an even louder illegal can?

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