Counter lean??

i havent really thought about this before ,,,but prob dont lean'into the inside' very much...tend to just go with the bike ,,,but not bolt upright.!!hhmmmmmm ,,,,,,must try harder

Originally Posted by Jelster

I have been guilty of this, in fact at one time I was taking roundabouts on the Gixer with the bike right over while I was fightting to keep my head upright. I don't know why, just not moving my body early enough before the bend. I think this was partly the reason why I came off the Gixer.

I now generally tend to ride "Police" style, moving very little but leaning with the bike, unless I'm out for a hoot where I tend to slide my body around "properly" so to speak.

So to answer your question Si, Yes I have, but not since I lowsided the Gixer...
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ooo yes sum's up my off, i reckon that maybe the reason i came of my sv this year. well that & poor road surface.

[northwind]

I tend to lean my upper body into the corner, but my bum stays in the seat most of the time. I'm still not that mobile in some ways so I can't get on a big hang-off any more. (hurts like hell...)

Doesn't slow me down in the slightest though, because all the attention that I'd have put into hanging off like a gibbon and trying to get my knee down goes on picking the right line, and getting the speed just right. It seems like a lot of the results come from where you put your upper body weight, and you can do a lot with that without moving your bum. Try cornering upright on the bike (ie, leaning with the bike and no more) then mid corner shove your bodyweight over to the inside, you'll likely see what i mean.

Also, for road riding I reckon being on the bike, rather than off it, gives you a lot more options if things start to go wrong... You get that immediate response to any sort of slide, which I found wasn't really the case if I was more out of the saddle as it cut down my available reactions. That might just be me though.

But I never lean against the turn- that is, sit vertical while the bike leans under me. I always lean with the bike, or further.

I can get as low as i can leaning off the bike (KD) sitting upright just by countersteering. its quite simple but takes a fair bit of practice and for some reason it feels a lot faster 2.

[mattSV]

Now, this guy definatley counterleans! (photo taken at Beaulieu this year - this bloke is a bloody nutter!)

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i thought that the general principle of leaning into a corner meant that the bike could stay more upright therfore having more tyre on the road and therefore more grip.

if the guy leans the bike into the corner and then leans the opposite was so that hes more upright, wont the bike do the opposite and have to lean further and get less grip?

Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

if the guy leans the bike into the corner and then leans the opposite was so that hes more upright, wont the bike do the opposite and have to lean further and get less grip?

Exactly, and I ended up on my backside

(the manhole cover didn't help though)

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scoobs and matt sv have the right idea.

When i had myt supermoto i would push the bike on to it's side while keeping myself upright with my **** actually shifted the wrong way. i did this as it was a supremely comfotable way of ding it and just felt right.

now i have my naked race SV and faired road SV i tend to ride the usual way of shifting my weight into the corner to keep thebike as upright as possible. and infact i do it more now that ever as i am trying to keep the bike as far away from the grip limits as possible so you will quitre regularily see me shift my weight when not even cornering thst hard

Originally Posted by mattSV

Now, this guy definatley counterleans! (photo taken at Beaulieu this year - this bloke is a bloody nutter!)

but dont supermoto riders do that because they WANT the bike to silde in bends.

im no softy but i cant forsee a reason why anyone would deliberately do that on a "normal" bike, head cases exepmted of course

Originally Posted by jonboy

Usually I lean well into corners but on the odd occasion I do the opposite, often to get better visibility if .

Me too. If there's lots of grip (ie not in this weather), I sometimes counter-lean to get a better view up ahead. I also counterlean when u-turning as it lets you get the bike round in a smaller circle (as the bike is leant over more).

In this weather I usually try to keep the bike fairly upright and lean off (reasonably restrained, drop shoulder, head leaning towards mirror, etc) to get more grip. Not knee-down attempting, monkey hanging off the side, style, but just enough to decrease the lean needed to get round a bend.