non starter

Originally Posted by richiekuk

Sounds entirely feasable to me, and makes me look less of a biff!

Ha ha.

Richie K

not so sure about that, lol.

[BigFootIsBlurry]

Just by pass the switch then there are no more problems.

I'm also pleased that someone's none starter thread makes them look sillier than mine

[Stu]

Originally Posted by BigFootIsBlurry

Just by pass the switch then there are no more problems.

Until they start it in gear

[yorkie_chris]

I bypass all safeties and simply don't start the bike in gear, or ride off with the sidestand down.

[jambo]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

I bypass all safeties and simply don't start the bike in gear, or ride off with the sidestand down.

That's fine, I completely understand your point of view. But the simple fact is that people do forget to check these things sometimes, and for the effort of simply pulling in the clutch they're safeguarded against a potentially expensive, and very embarrassing drop.

Some FI systems, including the one on the SV1000 also apparently have a different mapping with the clutch pulled in to help stop them stalling, which means bypassing the clutch switch permanently alters your low speed fuel and ignition mapping to one that is not suited to riding. At this point I'd not be surprised if people blamed "that complex FI system" for the apparent fuelling issue.

Just a thought

Jambo

[yorkie_chris]

Yes on the TL series motors you have to do something different with the clutch switch, involving a relay IIRC.

Oh I pull the clutch in anyway out of habit, reduces the load on the starter slightly. But my theory is you will only need to learn not to forget it's in gear once!

Far better to have a little bit of a drop and get laughed at by your mates than to be left stuck somewhere inevitably cold/wet/rough when one of idiot switches decides it's not playing. IMO anyway.

[jambo]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Yes on the TL series motors you have to do something different with the clutch switch, involving a relay IIRC.

Oh I pull the clutch in anyway out of habit, reduces the load on the starter slightly. But my theory is you will only need to learn not to forget it's in gear once!

Far better to have a little bit of a drop and get laughed at by your mates than to be left stuck somewhere inevitably cold/wet/rough when one of idiot switches decides it's not playing. IMO anyway.

Carry a small pocket knife and some insulating tape. If you're aware that the switches can go and be a problem you can honestly have bypassed them to get home in a few minutes. Even easier if you carry an inch or 2 of wire with the ends stripped (as I had to when my fan switch died, leaving the Kawasaki very very toasty in traffic). One bit of wire bypasses all

Jambo

[phi-dan]

I was taught to pull the clutch in before thumbing the starter to avoid that "taking off down the road when you least expected it" feeling.

Not long after that I was helping repair an AJS, and dutifully pulled in the clutch and started kicking. It was 15mins before someone told me

^told you what?

[yorkie_chris]

I've never seen an AJS, but presumably that the starter mech was connected to the gearbox, so kicking it with the clutch in didn't move engine at all.