Petrol Prices

Originally Posted by SVeeedy Gonzales

Incidentally, the quantity of fuel used for planes is massive, as are the pollution effects, and the tax is tiny (if it exists at all). Yet they're classed as "good for the economy" so they avoid taxes. The budget flight rush in recent years has put a huge drain on oil/fuel supplies as well as adding extra burden to fuel prices when we buy for our cars and bikes. No mention of cutting back on flights with all this oil crisis though...

I was always lead to believe that Jet engines are economical just really loud

Originally Posted by BillyC

For everyone's information (I found it interesting)

BBC Website Link

enlightening...
In that case I'm now more miffed at the lack of investment rather than the fuel cost....

Originally Posted by Diveboy

I was always lead to believe that Jet engines are economical just really loud

me too.. as I though Kero was rather cheap to make...

In the bbc thing (very interesting) it mentions India as part of the problem as they are using to much oil.

Why cant they heat the Call centres with Nuclear Power?

And still on the rant I priced up how much it would cost for my 30mile round trip to work at £75 a month not to mention the extra 2 hours a day of travelling time "2 HOURS". I dont even get the plesure of a bike ride

[BillyC]

Originally Posted by Grinch

me too.. as I though Kero was rather cheap to make...

Hang on...

Kerosene, Avtur, Jetfuel, is pretty easy to make, it's quite low down in the refinement process, and is basically a type of diesel.

The reason it is not taxed isn't because "it's good for the economy", it's because it would be an absolute nightmare. If a 747 turned up at Heathrow, they'd have to start working out how much fuel were in its tanks, in order to charge it import & export duty. If you then had one country charging 10p duty, and another charging 40p duty... the more expensive country a) wouldn't sell any fuel, b) would be subject to expensive air travel and freight costs, and c) wouldn't get any visitors/trade. It just isn't worth it.

Jet engines, for what they do, are extremely efficient. But Efficiency is also a factor of application, and using a gas turbine with 5,000 lbs of thrust to propel your Mini Cooper isn't a very efficent use.

Aircraft efficiency is measured in "gallons per person per mile" (GPPPM). You might think your car's a winner if you can get 35mpg, but if it's carrying just you, that's 0.025 GPPPM. In comparison to a 747, which typically burns 5 gallons per mile, but can carry over 500 people... it works out at about 0.01 GPPPM.

It's also travelling at 500mph - getting you there that much quicker

And no M25!

My journey to work and from work would take me 5 and half hours if I take the train.. and thats not including walking to and from my work/home to the train station. Meaning my day would be 13.5 hrs for work and travel. And I wouldn't be able to get to work on time, as some mornings if I wanted to get in before 8 I'm have to set off at 1am!.... I don't think so...

[jambo]

Originally Posted by BillyC

The reason it is not taxed isn't because "it's good for the economy", it's because it would be an absolute nightmare. If a 747 turned up at Heathrow, they'd have to start working out how much fuel were in its tanks, in order to charge it import & export duty.

Or they could just let you pay tax on the fuel bought in the UK. I don't have to decalre how much fuel I've got in the bike when it comes over from France...

Obviously bigger tanks and all that but I tend to agree that putting lots of fuel tax on Jet fuel would cut down on flights that turned up here.

I'd just forgotten that for every litre we pay fuel duty, AND VAT... Cheers guys.

Oh and for the comment earlier that it's only an extra £2 or something per tank where as it costs more for the car, that's true but you don't have to fill the car up as often so for a 10,000 mile year like I've got it makes a pretty big difference whether I do it in lots of little fills or fewer big ones.

Originally Posted by Grinch

as some mornings if I wanted to get in before 8 I'm have to set off at 1am!.... I don't think so...

Yeah right and what bus am I gonna get at 3-4am when I have to set off to get in at my normal 7am start. Dont get me wrong I love public transport if it gets me to and from the pub .

Look at it this way if you get paid (for ease) £10 per hour and it takes 30mins on bike costing £2.50 in fuel and £5 for the depreciation thats £12.50.

On the bus/metro/bus/walk (in that order) it costs me £7 a day in fairs and £30-40 in time (thats not using overtime @ 1.5x if you get it) so £47 total. Ruddy Hell

Is anyone still reading? Makes sense to me anyway

Say no more

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They sell :
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Really.. wow!

mmmh... long noses....