Your thoughts for AR11

[petevtwin650]

You didn't read the first paragraph of my post, did you?

Yes I did.

Just because peeps don't get enough time to do both events doesn't mean the GM is a select meet. Most of us have to prioritise events either for holiday or financial reasons, that's life unfortunately.

[Ed]

And please don't use this thread for any whinges or arguments. It's just a place to throw around a few ideas and get people thinking. Mwah xxx

Didn't last very long, did it:rolleyes:

[widepants]

*Coughing fit starts*

Shrewsbury and into mid/north Wales via a different route from AR06:p

Would be very happy to organise:D with Luckypants (that was well volunteered, Mike) and whip you all:cool: into shape;)

*Coughing fit over*
having just spent the last few days around there ,that is a fantastic plan.

[Lozzo]

Yes I did.

Just because peeps don't get enough time to do both events doesn't mean the GM is a select meet. Most of us have to prioritise events either for holiday or financial reasons, that's life unfortunately.

From reading the objections to the GM becoming the AR for one year only, it would appear that those people would prefer it to be the comparitively small and select meet that it is now, almost like they wouldn't welcome an invasion of other org members. It's a shame, because I don't usually go to Scotland to ride decent roads because the European mainland is closer and cheaper, but would make an exception for the AR if it was held there.

It's for one year, just one year and then they've got it all to themselves again ... what's the problem with that?

[Lozzo]

having just spent the last few days around there ,that is a fantastic plan.


North Wales?

Forget it ... not even if you gave me a false identity and a driving licence to go with it. Never will I ride a motorcycle on the road in that area again as long as the local police have the attitude to motorcyclists that the mental case Brunstrom instilled in them. If you held a track weekend at Tye Croes I would go though.

[widepants]

North Wales?

Forget it ... not even if you gave me a false identity and a driving licence to go with it. Never will I ride a motorcycle on the road in that area again as long as the local police have the attitude to motorcyclists that the mental case Brunstrom instilled in them. If you held a track weekend at Tye Croes I would go though.
the strange thing though Lozzo is that I saw NO police in over 400 miles

[Ed]

North Wales?

Forget it ... not even if you gave me a false identity and a driving licence to go with it. Never will I ride a motorcycle on the road in that area again as long as the local police have the attitude to motorcyclists that the mental case Brunstrom instilled in them. If you held a track weekend at Tye Croes I would go though.

Tsk, you are a divvy...

I have never been stopped in north Wales. Not once. Never. And my bike is not entirely street legal. And anyway I had in mind the less policed areas. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, this one's no exception:D

[ravingdavis]

From reading the objections to the GM becoming the AR for one year only, it would appear that those people would prefer it to be the comparitively small and select meet that it is now, almost like they wouldn't welcome an invasion of other org members. It's a shame, because I don't usually go to Scotland to ride decent roads because the European mainland is closer and cheaper, but would make an exception for the AR if it was held there.

It's for one year, just one year and then they've got it all to themselves again ... what's the problem with that?

That's not the case at all. Anyone is welcome to come to the GM, yourself included! The GM from my experience is far more ride orientated rather than social whereas the AR is more socially orientated... Both events are awesome and both have a place in the .org calender as far as I can see. If you can only attend one rideout next year then wouldn't it be good for you to have a choice as to the style of weekend? With both the GM and AR you have that choice... why remove it? If like me you can attend both then woohoo! Two great weekends in Scotland :)

As for not going to North Wales for the police then you are missing out on some fantastic roads, I have done a few thousand miles in North Wales last year and have never been stopped once, never had an issue. My bike is not completely legal either.

[yorkie_chris]

...and have three beers.

Trying to keep the GM for just a select few smacks of a whole load of selfishness to me.

Part A, not trying hard enough.
Part B;

The GM is more about the riding, it's been ace as it has been the last few years. I think changing it into an AR style ride with slow pace, more people would spoil it.

I don't see any "select few", if you want to go to it, go to it? :confused:

[yorkie_chris]

North Wales?

Forget it ... not even if you gave me a false identity and a driving licence to go with it. Never will I ride a motorcycle on the road in that area again as long as the local police have the attitude to motorcyclists that the mental case Brunstrom instilled in them. If you held a track weekend at Tye Croes I would go though.

I used to regularly ride through there going to MYC's digs in Aberystwyth. So long as you're not being a d*ck on the straights dressed in a romper suit on an R1 then you'll be reet.

[fizzwheel]

With both the GM and AR you have that choice... why remove it? If like me you can attend both then woohoo! Two great weekends in Scotland :)

Agreed.

GM = Riding
AR = Socialising

I think the first GM1 ride I did was something like 300 miles. We left at 9 ish and didnt get back to the campsite till 7pm. Alot of it flatout, much much higher pace than I have ever done on an AR rideout. You cant do that with an AR rideout. The numbers dont work with it and also the varying skill and experienced levels of riders dont work with it.

But then is it fair to ask the Ecosse section to have to work to put on two big weekends either. How many org people will travel to Scotland for an AR. Yes the talk is of it now and thats all well and good, but I wander how many people it would put off. Especially from the more southern regions. IIRC for GM1 the trip just to get there was 400 miles... Of course theres more than one group of people who could organise rideout in the Scottish area so maybe that problem will solve itself over time.

I liked this years location wise, it seemed reasonable to get there for an awful lot of people. But even then the actual attenance was lower than the list of names on the forum attendance list sugested it might be. I wander if it would take a significant punt and be the detriment to an AR if it was in a location that required significant effort to actually get to in the first place...

[christopher]

the strange thing though Lozzo is that I saw NO police in over 400 miles
Shhh... don't say that! North Wales is full of police who'll stop you every 4 miles for a 'safety' chat. It's awful there and the roads/scenery aren't even that nice. They wouldn't like it ;)

(now that's said I can enjoy my blast over the border tomorrow and enjoy triple figures and general hooning around :D while the other Sunday bikers avoid it due to the reputation)

[Lozzo]

North Wales doesn't have the monopoly on good biking roads. There are other more biker friendly places to ride, so I choose to go there instead, besides, I'm not keen on the indigenous North Welsh's attitude to the English

[yorkie_chris]

Yeah, luckypants lives there and he's a right tw*t! :mrgreen:

[widepants]

Shhh... don't say that! North Wales is full of police who'll stop you every 4 miles for a 'safety' chat. It's awful there and the roads/scenery aren't even that nice. They wouldn't like it ;)

(now that's said I can enjoy my blast over the border tomorrow and enjoy triple figures and general hooning around :D while the other Sunday bikers avoid it due to the reputation)
oh yea sorry ,forgeot to mention the terrible roads with nothing but straights and road works;)

[widepants]

have a plan....go to the AR and drop in to northwales afterwards and enjoy it on my own again

[andrewsmith]

and police pulling you every hour on the hour :smt044

[widepants]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs269.snc4/39767_1458660279548_1624645633_1091771_6801580_n.j pg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1091772&id=1624645633)

[Ed]

North Wales doesn't have the monopoly on good biking roads. There are other more biker friendly places to ride, so I choose to go there instead, besides, I'm not keen on the indigenous North Welsh's attitude to the English

If you don't ride there, how are you qualified to comment:confused:

If you did ride in the area, instead of relying on media hearsay and uninformed prejudice, you might be pleasantly surprised:D

Nobody said that NW has a monopoly of good roads. I had more in mind north Shropshire and mid Wales, venturing into NW for a relatively small part. Whatever, whichever way you go from here, it's all good:cool:

[phil24_7]

I'll go wherever and whenever and I may even get to the GM next year too!

[Lozzo]

If you don't ride there, how are you qualified to comment:confused:

If you did ride in the area, instead of relying on media hearsay and uninformed prejudice, you might be pleasantly surprised:D


I've ridden there plenty of times in the 32 years I've been riding bikes and met enough of the locals to make my mind up about that side of things. My best mate of 30 years is sales manager of a motorbike shop in Bangor and even he tells me the police attitiude to bikes is way over the top considering the relatively low casualty rate. He doesn't like riding in the area and prefers to cross the borders before playing. That isn't what I'd call uninformed prejudice.

It's a shame, because N. Wales does have some great roads, but as I said, there are plenty of more bike friendly areas to explore elsewhere in the UK. Maybe I'll go and annoy the Yorkies next.

[Ed]

Maybe I'll go and annoy the Yorkies next.

Yeah, whatever... I give up:D

Shame you won't be at the next AR, Loz;)

[xXBADGERXx]

I do 1000 miles a month in North Wales and unbaffled and get no trouble , why would you need to worry about the attitude of people from North Wales ... I came and spoke to you and I would stand up for any Orger on my home turf if a "local" got a bit gobby . Ed`s idea of a Shropshire/Mid Wales AR is quite sound , Davepreston`s scheme sounds good , a Borders Skirmish is sound as well . Don`t worry about Police and stuff like that as whoever organises the AR route is bound to have some common sense and base it on some good roads that are not so overly-populated by weekend warriors . To be honest I don`t really care if there is a bar , catering wagon or extras like toilets and running water . The main focus is on riding a damn good route and then getting to hang with you bunch afterwards ..... anything else is a bonus . I do appreciate that some of you like creature comforts and want extras but think of the basics first and sweeten the deal later with goodies . Personally all I need is a bin bag to snore in ...... but I`m just dirty like that :p

[Bri w]

North Wales doesn't have the monopoly on good biking roads. There are other more biker friendly places to ride, so I choose to go there instead, besides, I'm not keen on the indigenous North Welsh's attitude to the English

Lozzo, that's rollax. I lived there for 5 years, and just over the border for 12 yrs. I've been along the A55, and around there at least 1 a week for 17 yrs at, er legal speeds(?) and only seen a camera twice.

And you've been there and experienced ???? Or are you a subscriber of MCN?

[Lozzo]

Lozzo, that's rollax. I lived there for 5 years, and just over the border for 12 yrs. I've been along the A55, and around there at least 1 a week for 17 yrs at, er legal speeds(?) and only seen a camera twice.

And you've been there and experienced ????

I haven't ridden in N. Wales since I brought my GSXR1000 back from Belfast via the Dublin-Holyhead ferry in 2005. I saw too many cop cars along the A55 and my mate (who I trust implicitly) tells me numerous horror stories about the police presence and attitudes toward bikes.

Or are you a subscriber of MCN?

How dare you, I demand an apology. We do get MCN delivered weekly here, for free and second-hand after the bloke who lives in one of the nearby mobile homes has finished wth it. Once my housemate has read it I save a fortune on bog-roll by tearing it into strips and hanging it in the loo - that's all it's good for, but it leaves cheap printing ink stains on your ar5e, so I'm told.

[Bri w]

How dare you, I demand an apology. We do get MCN delivered weekly here, for free and second-hand after the bloke who lives in one of the nearby mobile homes has finished wth it. Once my housemate has read it I save a fortune on bog-roll by tearing it into strips and hanging it in the loo - that's all it's good for, but it leaves cheap printing ink stains on your ar5e, so I'm told.

Brilliant:D:D

God, that got me giggling - YC's bounder and a cad from another thread :D??

[dizzyblonde]

*Coughing fit starts*

Shrewsbury and into mid/north Wales via a different route from AR06:p

Would be very happy to organise:D with Luckypants (that was well volunteered, Mike) and whip you all:cool: into shape;)

*Coughing fit over*

I see your suggestion Ed....
Its ok, people who have good suggestions, seem to be get ignored, I've already put up where AR07 was, even put a link into the campsite so all could see what an ideal place to revisit was, if a route for the ride was undertaken by a local it would be cracking...
Nobody even bothered to look.


http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2343759&postcount=73


......but ooooo nnoooooo they like to argue instead:smt120


SO BIG COUGH FOR THOSE WHO ARE PUTTING REAL IDEAS FORWARD!!!!!

[Ed]

For all the ridiculous and xenophobic comments, it's a serious suggestion.

It's a great place to ride, you can go any direction from here and have a fantastic day out.

And all the facilities are there...

I'll shut up now:)

[Blue Flame]

..... I wonder if it would take a significant punt and be the detriment to an AR if it was in a location that required significant effort to actually get to in the first place...

IIRC -- Scotland has been constantly turned down as an AR suggestion in the past due to the suggested fact that the distances involved to get here would act as a major deterrent to most ORG members. In fact I distinctly remember maps being produced based on population numbers to attempt to prove that the central location of the UK is further South than the Geographic location. :rolleyes:

One of the reasons the GM was created in the first place was because of the realisation that it was never going to happen for that reason alone.

However now I read a suggestion that we could have the AR and the GM. This IMHO won't work. If we accept that the numbers for the AR will have already been hit by it's geographic location then I would suspect that all that would happen would be that both events would be impacted in numbers as people would tend to make make it a choice of one or the other to the detriment of both.

All people in the ORG are welcome to attend the GM. And there will be one in 2011. OH -- And there has never been a cap put on numbers or riding abilities.

It's a nice thought to imagine it could be called AR11 for one year but I think, based on an acceptance of previous year's scientific arguments against it;) , that AR11 would be a poor relation to AR10 (numbers wise) if that were to happen.

[Blue Flame]

And now that i have posted an argument against my homeland I would wish to post an argument for the location up at dalesbridge.

We got s*h*a*t* upon by the rain the whole weekend and I think that the rideout itself suffered because of that. It would be great to see that location again in drier weather.

[dizzyblonde]

For all the ridiculous and xenophobic comments, it's a serious suggestion.

It's a great place to ride, you can go any direction from here and have a fantastic day out.

And all the facilities are there...

I'll shut up now:)

Hey, don't shut up Ed, theres only been a handful of serious suggestion, I can't see issue with your idea.
I'm not too bothered where it is. The only place I am not keen on is a Scotland AR, but apart from that anyone who puts ideas forward should be given respect from those flaming it, for just putting it forward, don't see them putting ideas forward.

I have also noted you have put a serious thread in your section, to back it up. Look forward to what unfolds.
I know I have put forward an idea, but I'm not in a position to be organising a mammoth event in our region....doesn't mean I wouldn't help out, if someone with more time came forward.

[MR UKI (1)]

IMO I do think a GM/AR 2011 would just end up being a GM 2011 as the distance will put people off attending it as an AR. The AR (IMO) should be somewhere more accessible to the majority, as Blueflame says see the 'central Map' posted a couple of years ago and let the GM be the GM, again as has already been said, an event that is still open to all and has been for the last 3 years for those who wish to make the effort to ride the stunning roads on offer.

As for North Wales, I've never been stopped over there and go across a fair amount as family live there. I think the fact you were on the A55 Lozzo probably explains the police numbers :D

[timwilky]

Some of the NW police stories are more than true, I have been a victim of a NW copper who stopped me and mates, when everyone/thing turned out legal was threatened with arrest for breach of the peace if we went another 100 yards down the road, called an English ******* and finally escorted back to the English border. At which point we went a slightly different route to avoid a xenophobic copper and had a brilliant time in Wales.

My major problem with Scotland is the natives, they do not like me, I react badly to them. I love the country but not the huge holes that open up on my body when the natives feed. they only seem to heal after about 2 years. I was up at Glenfinnan a few years ago and it was hell. The nastiest Malay jungle mossie is a pussy cat compared to the Scottish midge. So any ride out in Scotland, please make Jan/Feb when the things are frozen out.

[dizzyblonde]

And now that i have posted an argument against my homeland I would wish to post an argument for the location up at dalesbridge.

We got s*h*a*t* upon by the rain the whole weekend and I think that the rideout itself suffered because of that. It would be great to see that location again in drier weather.

I was up there last month

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb45/loubi650/forbidden%20corner%20route/001.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb45/loubi650/forbidden%20corner%20route/005.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb45/loubi650/forbidden%20corner%20route/010.jpg

Just a taste of what you can see, although I doubt this road would get in a route!

Oh and a reminder of the site when it wasn't raining!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb45/loubi650/AR07/ARo7sunset.jpg

^^^^oh look, its a CLEAN AND SHINY YC BIKE^^^^!!!!

[Blue Flame]

....My major problem with Scotland is the natives, they do not like me, I react badly to them. I love the country but not the huge holes that open up on my body when the natives feed. .

The location for the campsite for next year will be midge free (alledgedly).

GMiv Discussions (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=155574)

Sorry for the derail peeps.

[Supervox]

This is aimed at no-one in particular - but, what I believe is required here is as follows :-

(a) A 'Statement of Intent' that you are prepared to take on the organisation of AR11

(b) Some homework looking into possible venues, costs, facilties etc.

(c) A proposal (any chance that one of the Rideout Mods can set up a new sub-forum for these as it looks as though we may have several?) as a result of information gathered at (b)

Where it goes from here is really up to Admin, Fizz & the Mods - but I would assume that some sort of poll would be order if we do get multiple entries.

Looking at this it could be that (b) will actually happen before (a) but whatever the order, as I've said before discussing where we'd like to go is pointless unless someone (or group) is prepared to take it on.

[yorkie_chris]

(c) A proposal (any chance that one of the Rideout Mods can set up a new sub-forum for these as it looks as though we may have several?) as a result of information gathered at (b)

+1

Then a month or 2 to get the entries in based on peoples research.

[slark01]

The two best suggestions for me is Northumberland and N.Wales. My preference would be N.Wales due to it being closer, but i've never ridden around Northumberland so it would be a pleasant change.
As for police and locals, never had a problem and always had a pleasant time in Wales. Most of my riding in Wales has been by myself and I always stop at local cafe's ( non biker ones if I can help it ) which has always been pleasant.
The only downside is maybe the rain, however, if the AR is earlier in the year I reckon it should be pretty good.
As for the IOM, I reckon if we all said yes for 2012 then i'll save like mad for it.
Ste.

[Drew Carey]

Been reading this thread with interest.........

Agree 100% with Supervox, would require people to step up first. Also agree that I think leave GM as is, look at doing the AR in a neutrel area.

As for the whole NW attack......were most people on the A55 / A5? Cause if so, then more fool you. These are the roads the North Wales police always sit on. Luckypants has done many a NW ride which have not had many if any issues, for one simple reason.......local knowledge. Keeping off the main roads and sticking to the mountains is amazing. In fact, having ridden this years AR roads more than most, I can honestly say the roads away from the main ones in NW are better than those from this year.

I love the idea of revolving it round places that have already been, but that should never deter from people wanting to suggest a new place.

[mattSV]

i spent a few days in NW last October, and saw one scamera van the whole time - we were well warned by oncoming cars, so no problem there.

For one of the days we were riding with Quiff & Luckypants, and weren't exactly sticking to the posted speed limits ;)

NW would get my vote.

I also agree with not amalgamating GM with AR - they are two distinctly different weekends, with their own identities. There is however nothing stopping anyone from rolling up to both, in fact I would recommend it :p

[Ed]

NB I am NOT looking to replicate LP's North Wales rides!!!!!!!

The campsite is in the grounds of The Wingfield Arms pub at Montford Bridge, next to a bridge across the River Severn built by Thomas Telford in 1792. This is where it's at:

http://thewingfieldarms.com/images/map1.gif

http://thewingfieldarms.com/images/BRIDGE.gif



On the Vox's three tests:

(a) A 'Statement of Intent' that you are prepared to take on the organisation of AR11 - YES

(b) Some homework looking into possible venues, costs, facilties etc. Will do a bit more research

(c) A proposal (any chance that one of the Rideout Mods can set up a new sub-forum for these as it looks as though we may have several?) as a result of information gathered at (b) - To follow

[mattSV]

NB I am NOT looking to replicate LP's North Wales rides!!!!!!!

The campsite is in the grounds of The Wingfield Arms pub at Montford Bridge, next to a bridge across the River Severn built by Thomas Telford in 1792. This is where it's at:

http://thewingfieldarms.com/images/map1.gif

http://thewingfieldarms.com/images/BRIDGE.gif

This one (http://www.thewingfieldarms.com/) Ed???

[_Stretchie_]

How about Yorkshire Dales etc?

AR07 site - It would be nice to see a return to that venue(with a burger van), as I think its what set the ball rolling facility wise...although nothing in comparison to the last couple of ARs.
, I think it might be well worth a revisit.



Erm... I'd rather not :oops:

[Ed]

Yes Matt, bingo:cool:

[fizzwheel]

Where it goes from here is really up to Admin, Fizz & the Mods - but I would assume that some sort of poll would be order if we do get multiple entries

Yes, location if multiple options are put forward will be voted for as will the actual dates.

The other thing to remember is that it cant be on your back door or in your neck of the woods every year either.

[metalangel]

the strange thing though Lozzo is that I saw NO police in over 400 miles

They were there. That horsebox at the side of the road, that filthy builder's van, that shrub that twitched slightly, the cow standing by the fence... those were all concealed speed cameras.

[xXBADGERXx]

Ed , if you get the win then I will pitch up to help with Recce rides and suchlike . I`m not biased where it is to be honest , no matter where it is I will turn up for the sheer spectacle of it being an AR , shame I missed so many already . For those that really need to ride Scotland and have not done so yet , then deffo attend a GM at some point soon , jaw dropping scenery and good roads and a great bunch of people organising . Whoever organises ANY Org rideout deserves greater recognition than you can actually bestow upon a person and I don`t think they realise what joy they can bring to a fellow rider and the memories they provide . You`ve all been witness to something like that haven`t you .

[davepreston]

This is aimed at no-one in particular - but, what I believe is required here is as follows :-

(a) A 'Statement of Intent' that you are prepared to take on the organisation of AR11
yes
(b) Some homework looking into possible venues, costs, facilties etc.
am looking at 4 or 5 possible sites this week

(c) A proposal (any chance that one of the Rideout Mods can set up a new sub-forum for these as it looks as though we may have several?) as a result of information gathered at (b)
give me a chance to do B first lol

Where it goes from here is really up to Admin, Fizz & the Mods - but I would assume that some sort of poll would be order if we do get multiple entries.
fizz is our leader ,we are easily lead :)
Looking at this it could be that (b) will actually happen before (a) but whatever the order, as I've said before discussing where we'd like to go is pointless unless someone (or group) is prepared to take it on.
i get your vote cos i know where you live :p
does that sound right ;)

[dizzyblonde]

Erm... I'd rather not :oops:

Whys that then Stretch??:-dd

Mind you Bambis big brother might come get me;)

[SoulKiss]

I don't see why a Soho Massive AR isn't possible - ok camping in Soho Square might be bit of a problem - but there must be campsites on the outskirts of London & there are plenty of nice roads around the Home Counties :-)

Here you go Voxy :)

http://www.leevalleypark.org.uk/en/content/cms/where_to_stay/camping_edmonton/camping_edmonton.aspx

Or possibly one of the many Scout Campsites within the M25...

[Lucas]

Here you go Voxy :)

http://www.leevalleypark.org.uk/en/content/cms/where_to_stay/camping_edmonton/camping_edmonton.aspx

Or possibly one of the many Scout Campsites within the M25...

Sold

[Smudge]

:smt026:smt026 Up norf please, fingers crossed! :smt026:smt026

[Electro]

Can we have it somewhere where everyone can get to so all of our lovely members can be there? :)

[kellyjo]

+1 Soho Massive - id love to ride around London very early hours and see the sights before all the roads start to congest!

[Electro]

+1 Soho Massive - id love to ride around London very early hours and see the sights before all the roads start to congest!
Have to drink beer at an odd time to fit that in lol.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Arrrgh, this is really fraustrating. Folks, there are more brilliant roads, and facilities in Scotland OTHER than the Highlands you know!!

There are some brilliant roads in the South West and Borders areas as I am sure both Nelson and Jamesmio can confirm and being the fact that it is Scotland and we get a lot of people camping, there are many areas that will easily facilitate the AR.

Plus, the South West and the Borders are pretty easily accessible from the M6.

Or is it just the case that its always going to be the Ecosse lot that have to make the effort to travel? Don't get me wrong, I don't mind but just getting a bit fraustrated that SWS and the Borders are being overlooked.....

I am off to do some research........I will be back

[wattyfred89]

I Vote Northumberland

[Bri w]

Arrrgh, this is really fraustrating. Folks, there are more brilliant roads, and facilities in Scotland OTHER than the Highlands you know!!

There are some brilliant roads in the South West and Borders areas as I am sure both Nelson and Jamesmio can confirm and being the fact that it is Scotland and we get a lot of people camping, there are many areas that will easily facilitate the AR.

Plus, the South West and the Borders are pretty easily accessible from the M6.

Or is it just the case that its always going to be the Ecosse lot that have to make the effort to travel? Don't get me wrong, I don't mind but just getting a bit fraustrated that SWS and the Borders are being overlooked.....

I am off to do some research........I will be back

I've posted an idea in the PM that crosses the border near Hawick and includes Melrose and Selkirk before heading back over the Border with your cattle! ;)

[Electro]

I will be doing GM4 and I will be doing AR11 wherever it is. If the AR is voted to be in Scotland, so be it, but i`m 250 miles north of London and dont know if the Southern guys n girls fancy a 1200 mile round trip. Can we chop Scotland off at the border and tow it down to nr Lincon, what would sort it :)

[CoolGirl]

Arrrgh, this is really fraustrating. Folks, there are more brilliant roads, and facilities in Scotland OTHER than the Highlands you know!!

There are some brilliant roads in the South West and Borders areas as I am sure both Nelson and Jamesmio can confirm and being the fact that it is Scotland and we get a lot of people camping, there are many areas that will easily facilitate the AR.

Plus, the South West and the Borders are pretty easily accessible from the M6.

Or is it just the case that its always going to be the Ecosse lot that have to make the effort to travel? Don't get me wrong, I don't mind but just getting a bit fraustrated that SWS and the Borders are being overlooked.....

I am off to do some research........I will be back

ah, the age-old 'Scottish question'. Fact of the matter is, wherever the AR is, it'll be a pain in the ar$e for some people to get to. This might put them off going, or they might decide to go anyway and see it as an opportunity to visit a diffferent part of the country. That's very much up to individuals to decide.

However, if you think the area's got potential and if you're putting your hand up to organise something, we look forward to seeing your proposals. They'll be chucked into the ring with the others for decision through the process Fizz set out earler. Simples.

Having said that, I'd be prepared to go.

[dizzyblonde]

MBK>...its all about those who are willing to step forward to organise a large event. I haven't seen any..apart from Bri, that are willing to even have a look into it for your area. Perhaps they are concentrating on the event that is already ongoing ie the GM.

Do you think you could undertake it?

If so, come back with your proposal. I'm not getting at you there, but you have to really think out of the box. Are there others apart from you that will help you in your quest for a Scots AR, is there anyone willing that you can rely on to help?

Nobody says its always the Scottish lot that have to make an effort to travel. Quite the opposite in fact. There are some #cough me# that rode to Somerset and Essex in previous years, which were both 300 miles to get to, and there are others that ride equal distance from other areas to get there too. Its just as far for me to travel up to Scotland, and I'm pretty central in the grand scheme of things.
As Coolgirl says, where ever it ends up, someone will find it a pain to get to, but they want to go, so they make an effort.

[darylB]

I'm all for Ed's idea to host the AR down our neck of the woods again and would of course help to organise and recce the route. the Wingfield is a lovely pub and has a large field that would take as many tents as this year if need be, petrol is close by as is a food stop (dinky's Diner) where burgers, bacon butties are available, the location is fairly central for all to get to within reasonable time and distance, i'm sure going oop north or down sarf would put some people off due to cost and time, not me though as i am changing my bike to a more suitable bike to cover distance on. (Triumph Sprint 955i)
As to the i'm not going to north Wales brigade cos of the police I can only say that if you ride sensibly then i don't think theres the problem that there used to be now Brunstrom has gone. I've been up a few times lately and never found a problem, don't believe everything you read in Mcn. so shropshire/ Wales is fine by me.

Daryl

[Milky Bar Kid]

MBK>...its all about those who are willing to step forward to organise a large event. I haven't seen any..apart from Bri, that are willing to even have a look into it for your area. Perhaps they are concentrating on the event that is already ongoing ie the GM.

Do you think you could undertake it?

If so, come back with your proposal. I'm not getting at you there, but you have to really think out of the box. Are there others apart from you that will help you in your quest for a Scots AR, is there anyone willing that you can rely on to help?

Nobody says its always the Scottish lot that have to make an effort to travel. Quite the opposite in fact. There are some #cough me# that rode to Somerset and Essex in previous years, which were both 300 miles to get to, and there are others that ride equal distance from other areas to get there too. Its just as far for me to travel up to Scotland, and I'm pretty central in the grand scheme of things.
As Coolgirl says, where ever it ends up, someone will find it a pain to get to, but they want to go, so they make an effort.

Sometimes it's not the best idea to post when you are fraustrated as things don't come across very well.

I am currently looking into it. I have put a shout out in the Ecosse section for some of the southern lot to contact me and I will discuss things with them.

Not being the most experienced rider in the world means I don't want to start making plans for a rideout that really isn't up to scratch but I would like to think about it.

I will come back when I have had word back from some other people.

PS, Bri, could be possibility of us doing a joint AR???

[Bri w]

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Bellingham,+Hexham&daddr=Melrose+to:Hawick+to:Longtown,+Carlisle+to:H exham+to:Bellingham,+Hexham&hl=en&geocode=Fb5xSQMdbJzd_ylhvBqWcpV9SDGMgWyjfUtA_g%3BF QhiUAMduGXW_ykVouyLTniHSDFp89as1tFMiw%3BFWmuTQMdwn nV_yllosNsWmB9SDG2bX0Q2UCMGA%3BFQBgRwMdTbHS_ylZcJS qMxF9SDExXuC31DNRdA%3BFWjHRgMdAf3f_ykVmDENYpB9SDEE wA0heCs6qA%3BFb5xSQMdbJzd_ylhvBqWcpV9SDGMgWyjfUtA_ g&mra=ls&sll=49.569973,-41.000771&sspn=37.399147,107.138672&ie=UTF8&z=9

My thoughts for a route.

On the issue of who travels how far, that's just a personal choice. I think Bill, Bananaman, showed everyone how far its possible to travel if you really want to. Mattsv and Anita travelled from Southampton to the GM, via Quiff's, about 500 miles one way. Both the GM and the AR were 250+ for me, and after doing them and meeting some fantastic people I'd happily do that again. Equally I understand the logistics, including costs, of a 500 mile round trip, then the ride out and beer etc.

I guess its a case of those that want to put a proposal in do so, and let the Orgers decide.

[Bri w]

PS, Bri, could be possibility of us doing a joint AR???

I'd welcome any help/thoughts/ideas/collaboration joint AR between PM and Ecosse, especially on the Melrose/Selkirk/Longtown stretch of the A7. I know the A68/A69 and around Keilder but I'm rusty on the Borders.

[Lozzo]

Arrrgh, this is really fraustrating. Folks, there are more brilliant roads, and facilities in Scotland OTHER than the Highlands you know!!

There are some brilliant roads in the South West and Borders areas as I am sure both Nelson and Jamesmio can confirm and being the fact that it is Scotland and we get a lot of people camping, there are many areas that will easily facilitate the AR.



I'm all for this. I've ridden extensively in that area and think the roads are bloody fantastic, and virtually car free from what I saw. It's true that the Ecosse posse have to travel a long long way to attend anything but the GM, so why don't we go to them for a change. Scottish roads are very well maintained in the main, and some of the sights away from the Highlands are truly lovely. Plus, the locals are nice people and are used to the English invading, stealing their women and taking over ;-).

Scotland gets my vote.

[Supervox]

Have to drink beer at an odd time to fit that in lol.


There's no such thing as an odd time to drink beer :-)

[dizzyblonde]

On the issue of who travels how far, that's just a personal choice. I think Bill, Bananaman, showed everyone how far its possible to travel if you really want to. .


Indeed, as did Redbouy for AR08. He came from his boat in the South of France, got someone to helicopter him to a ferryport as he was late finishing a job, jumped over the water, hired a car, which was anchored to the marquee, and absolutely enjoyed himself thoroughly.

Where there is a will there is a way.

[missyburd]

^^^^oh look, its a CLEAN AND SHINY YC BIKE^^^^!!!!

Blumin' heck, had to look at that a few times! If it wasn't for the numberplate I wouldn't have recognised it!

Can we have it somewhere where everyone can get to so all of our lovely members can be there? :)
Do most members not have transport? In which case can members not get everywhere that's been suggested? :smt102


For all those that keep saying nobody's coming up with the goods and putting plans forward, may I refer you back to this post right at the beginning of the thread...

Northumberland
About same time as this year
Toilets
Bar and off license in reasonable distance

We are happy to help organise an AR in Northumberland - with help and a team of course and would love an excuse to recce a route... ;-)

Besides which, all these suggestions and no poll yet? There is no point going on and ON about where we shoudl and shouldn't have it and thus going round and ROUND in circles when the same places just keep cropping up. We need to know which place is more popular before anyone can even think about looking at routes and maps. Bri, there's no point wasting energies on such efforts me dear, not just yet anyway ;-)

#ponders wandering off to make a poll...#

[dizzyblonde]

Besides which, all these suggestions and no poll yet? There is no point going on and ON about where we shoudl and shouldn't have it and thus going round and ROUND in circles when the same places just keep cropping up. We need to know which place is more popular before anyone can even think about looking at routes and maps. Bri, there's no point wasting energies on such efforts me dear, not just yet anyway ;-)

#ponders wandering off to make a poll...#

Maria, if you look in a couple of regional sections, there are already proposals. Some places, have already been contacted to get initial feedback.

As for a poll, the mods will sort that one out. After all its their job, they are actually watching, they are just not getting in on the arguement until necessary.

[Bri w]

We are happy to help organise an AR in Northumberland - with help and a team of course and would love an excuse to recce a route... ;-). Bri, there's no point wasting energies on such efforts me dear, not just yet anyway ;-)

#ponders wandering off to make a poll...#

I'm not looking to do an in-depth proposal, with prices and a recce, but its a chicken and egg thing.

How can someone vote on something without some detail of what they're voting for?

[Messie]

See, this is what I hope would happen. People who love the areas they live in and know the roads and places and who want to make the effort to show it to the whole of the .org.

In a little while, when people have had a chance to research stuff in their area, we can put the different ideas and proposals to the good people for their consideration.

Keep going with the ideas!

[missyburd]

Ah sometimes I forget about these mods :D

Ignore my post then :rolleyes:

[SoulKiss]

+1 Soho Massive - id love to ride around London very early hours and see the sights before all the roads start to congest!

One of my favourite activities :)

You are only an hour or so north if you ever want someone to take you round :)

[Messie]

Kelly - it's great fun. You get to feel like a right hooligan while tearing around trying to keep up with Soho loonies who now the area far too well.

[xXBADGERXx]

Well if it is very far North then I have offered my gaff as a stop gap for those that are taking on a killer journey , I am sure others would do the same .

[jambo]

Edit oh my god, something Jambo has said has got stuck in my head. I need to see a shrink fast. I should be the voice of anarchy, what has happened to me. Has AR10 turned me into a Stepford orger.
Mwahahahahahahahahahaha ;)

3 points:
1) Anyone should be able to throw together a loose proposal for people to vote on
2) No one should be able to moan about it if they've not helped organise it, or put forward a proposal
3) The proposals should be voted on in an AR11 section (cheers mods) not hidden in IB, though clearly a link at the top of each section to it would be a winner ;)

Jambo

[independentphoto]

It will alway be a fair ole trek for some regardless of the location, this has been pointed out by several posters. Blueflame has ventured all the way from Fife to Somerset(?) in the past, whilst Fizzwheel has travelled from Somerset(ish?) all the way to Loch Lomond.:riding: Holding the event anywhere in Ireland (North or South) would make the venture very expensive for the majority. HOWEVER - what about the irish ORGans? Has anyone considered them? If the event were to be held in the Northwest of England or Southwest Scotland, it would be possible that we might even get some Irish riders attending and feeling more involved with the ORG as a whole.:grouphug: Is this not the point of the AR with it's social side?:drink:

From what I can tell, the Irish are able to get far better deals on ferries than those of us on the Eastern side of the water.

Just some thoughts from someone who would have made the journey this year if Quedos and I were not already commited to other things.

Garry.

[dill89]

Where and when it is i don't care, I just really wan a get over from Northern Ireland for it next year... Might even have an SV by then ;), especially if it's around the same time of year :)!!

[Luckypants]

NB I am NOT looking to replicate LP's North Wales rides!!!!!!!

The campsite is in the grounds of The Wingfield Arms pub at Montford Bridge, next to a bridge across the River Severn built by Thomas Telford in 1792. This is where it's at:

http://thewingfieldarms.com/images/map1.gif

http://thewingfieldarms.com/images/BRIDGE.gif



On the Vox's three tests:

(a) A 'Statement of Intent' that you are prepared to take on the organisation of AR11 - YES

(b) Some homework looking into possible venues, costs, facilties etc. Will do a bit more research

(c) A proposal (any chance that one of the Rideout Mods can set up a new sub-forum for these as it looks as though we may have several?) as a result of information gathered at (b) - To follow

You can count on my support if this goes ahead Ed. Happy to be a foot soldier doing your bidding. :)

[Drew Carey]

It looks like we are shaping up to 3 impressive bids at the moment from three very different areas. Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like (from seeing other threads) that the 3 potentials are:

1. Shropshire / North Wales - Ed
2. PM / Yorkshire - Dizzyblonde
3. Borders - The Milky Bars Are On Me. :D

Anyone else got any plans? Only asking as being nosey. Me and L were thinking of doing a Cotswolds bid.....have a cracking route (that actually keeps away from touristy roads) & site. But going to save it for another year as feel that we have had 3 in a row south of the M40. Time for further afield.

Plus I won't have a bike at next AR. So wouldn't want to plan a ride and hand it to someone else!!! :D

[dizzyblonde]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like (from seeing other threads) that the 3 potentials are:

1. Shropshire / North Wales - Ed
2. PM / Yorkshire - Dizzyblonde
3. Borders - The Milky Bars Are On Me. :D



I can only see two threads from the potential regions....wheres the third one for the Borders?:confused:

[gruntygiggles]

Nic has said she is off to do some research and I am pretty sure I have read that Davepreston is researching as well, so I think there may be a few bids on the way yet!

[dizzyblonde]

Daves working alongside me, and vice versa. My ear hurts LOL.

I'm sure there will be some more that come forward(well I bleddy hope so;-) ),

I was just pointing out 'shaping up to three impressive bids' isn't quite clear. Eds got a venue(hes been to already), I got a venue(I'm going tomorrow and have spoken extensively on the phone to the owner), and we have both advertised it clearly in our sections, what we can potentially offer.

I haven't seen a thread from further ooop Norf, cause I is nosey :-)

Thats what I call impressive :-)

[Messie]

Brilliant! There's no rush to finalise bids though surely.

In a couple of weeks we can begin to think about polls and stuff. Lets everybody who wants to have a go that way

[gruntygiggles]

I reckon at some point one of the mods will start a proposals thread like last year. Only difference will be that it was only Hovis and me that had got one ready last year....this year is ace, we'll actually have choices and they are all looking to be good ones :-)

[Drew Carey]

I didn't post to get mods to make it official or nowt, was just summarising for those who may not have read all the threads etc. 100% agree though, no rush....it is next year after all. lol :D

[dizzyblonde]

So what you meant is Drew......


FREE BUMP FOR NEXT YEARS AR ;-)

It nearly fell off the page anyway!

[Bri w]

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Bellingham,+Hexham&daddr=Melrose+to:Hawick+to:Longtown,+Carlisle+to:H exham+to:Bellingham,+Hexham&hl=en&geocode=Fb5xSQMdbJzd_ylhvBqWcpV9SDGMgWyjfUtA_g%3BF QhiUAMduGXW_ykVouyLTniHSDFp89as1tFMiw%3BFWmuTQMdwn nV_yllosNsWmB9SDG2bX0Q2UCMGA%3BFQBgRwMdTbHS_ylZcJS qMxF9SDExXuC31DNRdA%3BFWjHRgMdAf3f_ykVmDENYpB9SDEE wA0heCs6qA%3BFb5xSQMdbJzd_ylhvBqWcpV9SDGMgWyjfUtA_ g&mra=ls&sll=49.569973,-41.000771&sspn=37.399147,107.138672&ie=UTF8&z=9

I'm doing this route on Sunday, including variations of it to some rather special places but want to keep those secret for the 'possible' AR. I'll also be visiting several campsites. And taking loads of photo's.

Nic has approached (is that legal?) several of the Ecosse guys for local info just north of the Border.

Game on dude's.

[Richie]

Bri that a cracking route :0)

[Bri w]

Bri that a cracking route :0)

Don't want to give too much away but, as you know, there's a couple of Roman roads that follow the main A routes that are just stunning with long straights and sweeping bends for the hooligans + the stops at some very interesting ;)places.

[Dicky Ticker]

I take it the proposed campsite would be near Bellingham YH ? for non-campers

[Dicky Ticker]

My opinion is that we still haven't exhausted all the different areas of the UK available to us so I would not be interested in a repetition of a previous area.
Having said that it is all down to people willing to organise and what the majority decide so without these good peeps putting forward ideas and willing to take on the responsibility we go nowhere so lets be positive with any additional ideas that may assist each proposal.

[Binky]

Don't want to give too much away but, as you know, there's a couple of Roman roads that follow the main A routes that are just stunning with long straights and sweeping bends for the hooligans + the stops at some very interesting ;)places.

No such thing as hooligans at the AR.

They live in the wild and are frightened of enclosed spaces and large groups.

[Ed]

It's a good point that DT makes about visiting the same areas as in previous years, and naturally it's of direct relevance to me. We were at Montford Bridge 2006 - that's five years ago. But a lot has changed on the org since then: in particular we have many members who weren't on the board at the time, and secondly we all have rather different expectations of the AR now.

The route would NOT be the same as 2006 and nor am I looking to replicate LP's North Wales rides. I'm mindful that we need a route that can accommodate 100+ bikes, so steep mountain roads are no good. It just so happens that Shropshire and the area of Wales I have in mind have lots of open roads that nonetheless present challenges to even the most experienced riders without being intimidating for newer and less experienced riders.

I'm developing a proposal and I will submit it as soon as I can. The good peeps of the BP section are helping, and I will put it to them for stress testing. After all, most of them know the area as well as I do.

What I promise is this. If we're successful then it will be a damn good weekend. But if the org decides on another area, I won't bitch and moan. I will support whatever is selected.

Bring it on:cool:

[dizzyblonde]

What I promise is this. If we're successful then it will be a damn good weekend. But if the org decides on another area, I won't bitch and moan. I will support whatever is selected.

Bring it on:cool:

+ 1 Ed, and to everything else in your post. Our area hosted it in 07, and as you say members change, different expectations, expectations are exceedingly high, not everyone fancies camping these days for instance.

I'm not looking at routes as a preference, as people keep saying the AR is a social and the ride is an add on these days. That will come later, I have many who have come to my aid in help.

And again, Its a time to show off your area to everyone else, I like going other places, its fun, attended many ARs, not always done the ride, as I'm not keen on large numbers, some moan theres that many bikes they can't hoon about, you can't please everyone.
Yes I can ride my back yard when ever I fancy, but its not about that, its about showing others whats in your back yard thats important.:p

[Supervox]

Ok - hands up, who let the GROWN-UPS in ??? :p

But seriously though, whilst I appreciate that there are lots of areas that The Org haven't yet visited, and there maybe many areas that Org-ans would like to visit we come back to the bottom line that 'wishing' to go somewhere for an AR is useless unless people (like Ed & Dizz & poss MBK are currently doing) are prepared to take it on.

Incidentally, I don't believe it's actually written anywhere that you have to live in a particular area to organise an AR there - it obviously makes it easier if they do, but if anyone wants to visit a particular place then step forward, do your homework & research & get a proposal in ! :cool:

[Bri w]

I take it the proposed campsite would be near Bellingham YH ? for non-campers

My original thought was to base it at Bellingham, hence the route originally started there, but after thinking of the distances people would travel from down south I'm looking at sites near Hexham and Gretna, giving better access to hotels/B&B's. That way the initial journey up would be cut by at least 1 hour, or even 2, and the ride out wouldn't then duplicate the ride up to the AR.

No such thing as hooligans at the AR.



Does that mean I can't go?

[Littlepeahead]

Regarding the stress, etc of organising an AR - I wouldn't know, I just did the rideoute ie the easy bit !!

However, if we were to use previous venues I believe that there would be a lot less stress & hassle involved as one of the biggest 'problems' would be sorted - that of finding a suitable venue that we know will be ok.

Put it this way, if the AR ever comes back to Essex and Sally wants a break I'd be happy to take it on !!

And if it came to Essex I could help - as long as it's a cricket free weekend!

[SoulKiss]

And if it came to Essex I could help - as long as it's a cricket free weekend!

Or if the Soho Massive chose to host - could we camp at Lords ??? :p