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Messie

13-08-10, 02:35 PM

yorkie_chris

13-08-10, 02:37 PM

Northumberland
About same time as this year
Toilets
Bar and off license in reasonable distance

metalhead19

13-08-10, 02:41 PM

About same time as this year
Toilets
Bar and off license in reasonable distance

+1
But Scotland

yorkie_chris

13-08-10, 02:42 PM

Maybe borders area, but I think highlands is to be avoided, so you don't just duplicate the glencoe ride.

My thoughts are that we've done south east last year, south west 08, north yorks in 07 so it's gotta be Northumberlands turn.

You will all love the roads up around there.

Edit:
it is also within easy striking distance on the M1/A1 for all you southern lot to get up here too

metalhead19

13-08-10, 02:44 PM

Ok yeah, thats a fair point.

_Stretchie_

13-08-10, 02:50 PM

Where should it be? - Don't care
When should it be? - About the same time
What are the absolute basic essentials? - Field, shelter nearby food and beer. END OF. ; )
What are the desirable extras? - Women of questionable morals (and some fellas too for Girth)

As above

Northumberland
About same time as this year
Toilets
Bar and off license in reasonable distance

Sounds like someone has already been thinking about this

davepreston

13-08-10, 02:51 PM

preston, my gaff, woohoooo

yorkie_chris

13-08-10, 02:52 PM

Sounds like someone has already been thinking about this

Maybe.
I would be prepared to go for a ride up around there (oh, what a shame) and research possible sites. IF enough people are interested.

Given the notice it might also be possible to get a mate with a van to do a bloody big pot of chilli... pile of 'taters and such. Like a no-budget version of this year :smt082

fizzwheel

13-08-10, 02:59 PM

Not fussed where it is. But theres no point all asking to go to area X if nobody in area X is prepared to step up an organise it.

If you are thinking of stepping up, respect to you, but do give it due, through and alot of consideration as to what you are getting into. The rewards are huge, but also it can be stressy.

You need to think about numbers, facilities. Shelter if the weather is bad. How is everybody going to feed and water themselves etc etc. Also think about the rideout itself. Can you organise, herd and shephard people around if the group is bigger than this years ( 104 bikes IIRC ) no point going to a place where the roads wont cope with a group that size or one that is heavily policed either IMHO, just asking for trouble.

Theres some criteria knocking about somewhere I can dig out that may act as a guide for those thinking about things.

keith_d

13-08-10, 03:09 PM

>Where should it be?

Having had two fairly southerly AR's fairness suggests the next one be up north somewhere. Cumbria, Yorkshire or Derbyshire would all work well. Jockland is a long way but they do have some awesome scenery.

>When should it be?

Not too worried, but around the beginning of August seems to work well.

>What are the absolute basic essentials?

A flat field, fresh water, dry wood, fire starter, food, knife.

>What are the desirable extras?

Good route, sunshine, pub (ideally with unlimited free cider), chip shop.

maviczap

13-08-10, 03:15 PM

it is also within easy striking distance on the M1/A1 for all you southern lot to get up here too

Oh deep joy, endless miles of dual carriage way ;)

I loved this years AR cos we went cross country on minor A roads, avoiding the motorways, although we're pretty stuffed with the A14

I nearly fell asleep on the A14 on the way home I was some enthraled with the road :rolleyes:

Still I've only wizzed through Northumberland, so I won't complain about going there, although I'd like the Lake District too :cool:

Sosha

13-08-10, 03:20 PM

Showers/ Pyro allowance/ Booze source close - local hostel/ B&B etc for the non campers.

keithd

13-08-10, 03:26 PM

local hostel/ B&B etc for the non campers.

this.

you'll never get me in a tent

fact.

mattSV

13-08-10, 03:37 PM

this.

you'll never get me to turn up for anything
fact.

Corrected for you :-dd

Flat field, loos & showers, food & beer, somewhere to congregate if it rains

Lakes or Northumberland gets my vote - I fancy a run up Hartside again :cool:

Viney

13-08-10, 03:44 PM

this.

you'll never get me in a tent

fact.I beg to differ. Bear would get you anywhere!

I reckon, same place, same time next year.

Its great going all over the place, but lets face it Other than scotland the roads in Wales are fantastic, the place is fairly easy to get to for a majority of people and we know its gonna rain. It would also make it a little easier to organise as whoever, can just copy it form last year, and should make it a little less stressy.

As for time, bring it forward to July, maybe even end of June as the weather ALWAYS seems better then.

kellyjo

13-08-10, 04:17 PM

+1 Northumberland / Lakes, many people have ridden Yorkshire and when im there im always told to head off to Northumberland but have never had time :-(

Camping and B&B facilities
Loos/ Showers
Food/ Drink

Good route/ Stopping places - whilst the lunch stop this year was very practical, the AR09 stop at finchingfield was more sociable with everyone lazing around on the grass

Personally I dont mind motorway to the start point and its always possible to find an alternative more scenic route if thats what you want.

Cant really offer up East Anglia - far too flat and dull, we do have good roads but compared to what the rest of you ride on a regular basis you'd be pretty unimpressed!!

Ultimately its the people who make the AR what it is, so as long as the route is good and facilities acceptable then we'll always manage to have a good time. And next year i WILL be more sociable - sat in the tent this year listening to the partying wishing i could join in but too lame to go over, doh!!!

missyburd

13-08-10, 04:27 PM

Another one for Northumberland. I had a chance to explore a fair bit of it earlier this year while in a friends car who knew it well, i was amazed at the beauty about the area. I really do think it's worth a punt. Not sure how many regular orgers are living there though to give a hand with route planning but worst comes to worst we would have a good excuse for a bimble to find out, wouldn't that be annoying :-P

Stig

13-08-10, 04:27 PM

I would prefer if it were not during the school holidays. I had to do some serious begging and workings to be able to make it this year as I have the kids and am not going to be bringing them with me. Location wise, don't care.

timwilky

13-08-10, 04:32 PM

You guys have to remember if thinking of locations that they will be vetoed if you cannot come up with a route that will cope with 100+ bikes. I could suggest some excellent routes round the lakes but could you imagine 100+ playing follow my leader over Wrynose and Hardknott. the only way you could cope that is to group by ability which is verbotten. Or park them in Melmerby whilst we give everyone a clear minute before the off up Hartside. It would take two hours to do the couple of mile up to the cafe. So in short guys think seriously about routes.

Edit oh my god, something Jambo has said has got stuck in my head. I need to see a shrink fast. I should be the voice of anarchy, what has happened to me. Has AR10 turned me into a Stepford orger.

FG1

13-08-10, 04:35 PM

What about Ireland ?

Facilities that would be nice:
Large flat field for camping.
Suitable ablutions.
Large covered area for everybody in the evening, Dutch barn type thing.
Another burger van, that was a great idea.
Local off licence and grocery store.

Roads:
Let's face it, whoever organises it always seems to find lovely roads for the route.

Timing:
Again, I would prefer it to be out of school holidays.

Littlepeahead

13-08-10, 04:44 PM

What about Ireland ?

Barry's Tea - yay!

I need to avoid the major cricket matches at Lord's but we don't even get the fixtures until November - I was just lucky this year.

No one has yet mentioned a local disco with a pole - that has to be the first requirement on the list surely?

I did suggest the New Forest along to Dorset but Messie tells me the police force down there are mighty unfriendly.

dizzyblonde

13-08-10, 04:51 PM

What about Ireland ?

.

Although a lovely place I wish to visit, as its one corner I haven't been to, I would prefer not to do it on an AR. I do ARs on a budget, and Ireland poses ferry costs straight away(although I don't know how much)

Scotland...NO. The GM is already established as an event in its own right, and to have AR there instead would dilute the GM concept.

Northumberland was one of the suggestions for this AR, but unfortunately did not come into fruitition. I'd prefer it to be somewhere like here, for ease of accessibilty for the majority.

The burger van concept needs to be put forward as a permanent thing for the AR as BBQs have always fallen far from feeding everyone in previous years, and have been a disappointment for feeding bellies(although greatly appreciated) sheer numbers of people show a burger van to be the better option.

A covered area, as it always rains 'slightly' at some point!

Some sort of shoppie supermarket not far off for boozers

Alternative accomodation onsite for those amongst us that feel they are too old, crippled, or just prefer to feel comfort and quiet away from a field of campers to sleep.

Oh yeah....good roads for the ever expanding numbers on a rideout...although I tend to stay on camp these days as I don't like the volumes of bikes we are now attracting.

Seems this year ticked all boxes concerned. WOuldn't do any harm to have it there again would it? Seemed a perfect formula from someone who didn't go, but has had accounts from various friends here on the phone.

Messie

13-08-10, 05:07 PM

Northumberland
About same time as this year
Toilets
Bar and off license in reasonable distance

First reply. To the point. It's yours then hun xx

preston, my gaff, woohoooo

even better! Have you told the missus yet that 200 bikers are turning up at her place?

I reckon, same place, same time next year.

Its great going all over the place, but lets face it Other than scotland the roads in Wales are fantastic, the place is fairly easy to get to for a majority of people and we know its gonna rain. It would also make it a little easier to organise as whoever, can just copy it form last year, and should make it a little less stressy.

As for time, bring it forward to July, maybe even end of June as the weather ALWAYS seems better then.

I disagree. Brilliant that this year's venue was, I like the adventure of finding new places. Nothing to stop peeps organising a different event there next year though.

I would prefer if it were not during the school holidays. I had to do some serious begging and workings to be able to make it this year as I have the kids and am not going to be bringing them with me. Location wise, don't care.

You see, I'd really prefer the school holidays. Can't please all the people all the time I guess. Maybe a vote will be in order at some point.

Edit oh my god, something Jambo has said has got stuck in my head. I need to see a shrink fast. I should be the voice of anarchy, what has happened to me. Has AR10 turned me into a Stepford orger.
LOL I met you TW and know you to be a lovely cuddly sweetie pie x

What about Ireland ?

I love Ireland. For us Southerners it wouldn't be significantly more difficult or expensive to get to than Scotland

Barry's Tea - yay!

No one has yet mentioned a local disco with a pole - that has to be the first requirement on the list surely?

I did suggest the New Forest along to Dorset but Messie tells me the police force down there are mighty unfriendly.

Definately a pole but only if Girth promises to be there dancing on it. Don't think it was me though that said about the police in the New Forest.

Something else to put in the pot - the following year (2012) will be Olympics year and I like the idea of getting as far away from the South as possible that year.

Speedy Claire

13-08-10, 05:21 PM

The Borders and I vote Kilted Ginger to arrange it :D

Stig

13-08-10, 05:39 PM

Scotland...NO. The GM is already established as an event in its own right, and to have AR there instead would dilute the GM concept.

Don't really agree with that. AR in Scotland would probably be a once in quite a few years experience. Plus the two are entirely different in almost every sense of the word. So there would be two main .org rideouts in the same area, in the same year. Not diluting it at all as far as I can see. There are far more people likely to make the effort to attend the AR than the GM and would probably love to experience the roads of Scotland.

If I could manage to do the GM (always has been a wish of mine since it started) and the AR (if both were in the same area) I would. :)

dizzyblonde

13-08-10, 05:40 PM

Perhaps as the OP has raised the first question, and has replied to so many orgers suggestions, maybe she could organise it again next time!

Stig

13-08-10, 05:40 PM

I'd do Ireland too. I would say though having toured Ireland, finding a route for so many bikes would be seriously difficult due to the standard of the roads.

dizzyblonde

13-08-10, 05:47 PM

Don't really agree with that. AR in Scotland would probably be a once in quite a few years experience. Plus the two are entirely different in almost every sense of the word. So there would be two main .org rideouts in the same area, in the same year. Not diluting it at all as far as I can see. There are far more people likely to make the effort to attend the AR than the GM and would probably love to experience the roads of Scotland.

If I could manage to do the GM (always has been a wish of mine since it started) and the AR (if both were in the same area) I would. :)

Totally agree about them being entirely different, as one who has attended both on several occasions.

But then you 'perhaps' have the small problem of 50 odd people not attending one or the other as they have already attended one event in the area in a different month.
The vast majority of those that do the GM also do the AR. I'm not sure I'd do both, if they were up there in the same year.
Also, in Scotland, there seems to be difficulty in getting campsites big enough just to cope with the GM, so finding one that could cope with the size of the AR, would give me some concern, plus the campsite owners haven't always been entirely 'accomodating' towards us. However, the one that has been put forward this year, seems, for once to be the opposite.

EEEEE everyone has their own ideas I suppose:smt120

gruntygiggles

13-08-10, 05:58 PM

Well, a couple have mentioned on this thread having it in Wales again at the Basky. Now, I'd be more than willing to sort that out again with whoever helping as it would take the sum total of about three phone calls to get it booked and sorted.

It will also have a purpose built shower and toilet block at the end of this year and they will supply a marquee if we go again. They will also allow a large firepit to be used over the weekend in future.

HOWEVER, I have made it public plenty of times that I WILL be organising an annual Welsh TT to be based at the Basky Hall Hotel as it's got everything needed and I was overhelmed with people asking me to do it on the weekend.

I personally think that the AR should be something that moves around and the two I've been to before have been in very different areas and I loved them both, so no reason a great venue in a great area can't be found for AR11.

I will organise the Welsh TT to be an early summer weekend, so as not to be close to GM or AR time, but I won't do anything until the AR Venue and dates are decided upon.

If no-one comes forward, I'll happily do it at the Basky again. It's zero stress and zero trouble and just because it's Wales wouldn't mean locals helping/marking.....could be open to all.

To clarify, I am NOT saying the AR should be in Wales at the same venue next year.......The AR is a travelling phenomenon.....but the offer is there if wanted as I had a fair number of people ask me on the weekend to do it.

Everything should be put to a vote I say.

Oooh, and I'd also love Scotland/North England

anna

13-08-10, 06:02 PM

It is useless asking questions on where it is to be held etc, as really you need someone to step up and put forward their proposals.

Without an organiser or someone to put forward their suggestions these questions are just pie in the sky....( although it does help get the ball rolling to start with and people to think about how the next one is to be done.)

Littlepeahead

13-08-10, 06:10 PM

I have driven round South West Ireland and it is beautiful, but it rains, a lot! Though the Ring Of Kerry would be amazing on a bike. But the Euro is a factor then and it could work out to be an expensive trip depending on the exchange rate.

Amanda

13-08-10, 06:14 PM

When should it be?

Please, please can we have it earlier in the year in 2011. Sadly I am committed to Swanage Carnival every year and next year will be Saturday 30th July until Saturday 6th August. Also because I will be there over my birthday I will be partying during the rest of August!! Wicked :cool:

Binky

13-08-10, 06:27 PM

I always thought that the Peak District could offer a lot. It's quite mainstream now, but there are options and ways round it.

As far as i'm aware and IMHO i think the campsite used for the Peaks Revenge ride in September 2009 would be pretty prefect.

Routes should be easy to get all the best things incorporated and keeping everything running smooth.

Just a thought... :)

EDIT: Am i right in thinking there might have been an AR in the Peaks recently though?

BigBaddad

13-08-10, 06:49 PM

And to think, there's a thread about Christmas starting too soon.

gettin2dizzy

13-08-10, 07:01 PM

Northumberland ftw: thumbsup:

Quiet, beautiful roads, central location and cheap accommodation. Somewhere like Seahouses would be great ,and I know a fish and chip shop that could be involved :) Good roads are plentiful, even for 100+ bikes.

Northumberland is my stomping ground so i'll have a think :)

stewie

13-08-10, 07:07 PM

Isle of man, job done :D

orose

13-08-10, 07:13 PM

Am i right in thinking there might have been an AR in the Peaks recently though?

I thought you volunteered at AR09 to do AR11 :p

Looking back in the archived forums, it doesn't seem that there has been one in the peaks as a weekend - AR04 was apparantly based at the cat and fiddle, but it sounds like it was a day-ride with the social side starting up from 05 onwards.

I think the problem with the site for the peaks rideout would be that we'd have the whole thing booked out, and I doubt the village could cope (given that we'd probably double the population for the weekend :p)

Binky

13-08-10, 07:18 PM

Two pubs, little shop as well as the camp site.

Camp site is mahoosive, got multiple showers, small games room and alpaca and peacocks.

Guess the deal breaker would be if we could get a catering van or the like to set up camp for the weekend like at this years AR.

fenjer

13-08-10, 07:25 PM

I'm going to say my preference would be Northumberland.

I dont think the AR should be held in Scotland as we already have the GM.

Milky Bar Kid

13-08-10, 07:32 PM

I am just opening my mouth here and letting my belly rumble but why, as the AR is a travelling event, would it be impossible for the GM and the AR to be amalgamated for one year? It's not as if it is then going to take away from either the AR or the GM?

It's not like it is going to be every year that it happens.

I think it's a complete shame that people are shooting down the idea of Scotland just because we have the GM. Plenty of other sections now also have fairly well attended rideouts every year.

Like I said, just opening my mouth and letting my belly rumble but just think it's a shame that the idea of a Scottish AR is being dismissed.

RichT

13-08-10, 07:42 PM

Sounds like a reasonable suggestion to me MBK.

IMO I think the AR should be somewhere it hasn't been before, but as Fizz has already said. It's down to those individuals who want to organise it to put their head above the trenches.

Lissa

13-08-10, 07:50 PM

I am just opening my mouth here and letting my belly rumble but why, as the AR is a travelling event, would it be impossible for the GM and the AR to be amalgamated for one year? It's not as if it is then going to take away from either the AR or the GM?

It will totally change the GM if it is amalgamated with the AR. You have never attended a GM, so can't comprehend how much it has it's own identity.

No-one is saying there can't also be a Scottish AR, just keep the two events seperate.

The Guru

13-08-10, 08:09 PM

Milky Bar Kid

13-08-10, 08:11 PM

I agree.

We could do both. Plenty of places in Scotland where the AR could be.

I get what people are saying, totally. Just think that there is no way we would be able to do both becuase of the travelling distances involved...I dunno. Like I said, I am just throwing ideas about.

There are LOADS of places in Scotland with brilliant roads. Like Speedy Claire suggested, we have some brilliant roads in the south west and Borders....

dyzio

13-08-10, 08:11 PM

It will totally change the GM if it is amalgamated with the AR. You have never attended a GM, so can't comprehend how much it has it's own identity.

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I know this was the first AR I attended, people here say that these two events have separate characters. I didn't know what to expect, but to be honest I don't see them as beeing completely different.

Ar as a social event: yes, we had plenty of that, but I also saw 100 bikes (about 2/3 of the attendees) doing a really nice 150 mile rideout.
And there was plenty of socialising going on at the GM's as well.

Having said that, I like the two being separate events: means there are two crackin' rideouts to go to :cool:

yorkie_chris

13-08-10, 08:11 PM

Lissa, I fully agree.

MBK, it's not a bad idea but they're two different things. I enjoy the GM's that much that I wouldn't want the emphasis to shift to an AR type event.

To put it in simple terms the AR is about getting drunk with you bunch of idiots, the GM is about the roads with a few pints as a bonus.

I am also not in favour of Derbyshire, I probably wouldn't do a Derby rideout* as the roads there are an exercise in frustration... good roads just with a million speed cameras, DWLs and coppers. Add 100+ bikes and the usual markers riding like c**ts and you've got, IMO, a recipe for disaster.
*Though I would still attend the festivities and probably ride back to Yorkshire for a bimble during the Saturday.

Lucas

13-08-10, 08:18 PM

Oban is nice :D

dizzyblonde

13-08-10, 08:27 PM

I am also not in favour of Derbyshire, I probably wouldn't do a Derby rideout* as the roads there are an exercise in frustration... good roads just with a million speed cameras, DWLs and coppers. Add 100+ bikes and the usual markers riding like c**ts and you've got, IMO, a recipe for disaster.
*Though I would still attend the festivities and probably ride back to Yorkshire for a bimble during the Saturday.

SO eloquently written, but I was just pretty much about to write the same thing!

I don't mind riding down Derbyshire on me tod, I like the place for a bimble(not much choice with heliflopters, unmarked cars, cameras, and a nice number of imposed 50mph limits) but for an AR, nah fankyou, those on the rideout would get hacked off after a 1/2 mile!

ravingdavis

13-08-10, 08:37 PM

It will totally change the GM if it is amalgamated with the AR. You have never attended a GM, so can't comprehend how much it has it's own identity.

No-one is saying there can't also be a Scottish AR, just keep the two events seperate.

Hurrah, I completely agree.

I get what people are saying, totally. Just think that there is no way we would be able to do both becuase of the travelling distances involved...I dunno. Like I said, I am just throwing ideas about.

There are LOADS of places in Scotland with brilliant roads. Like Speedy Claire suggested, we have some brilliant roads in the south west and Borders....

It would be a complete shame to see what are two excellent weekends amalgamated into a single event, the thing about people not being able to make both events is just daft imo. (As an aside, I live in Germany and made both events).

The problem is, the GM is more of a riders event with a decent amount of socialising, the AR is almost a purely socialising event with a "token" rideout. Both events are excellent and it would be a damn shame to loose either one of them. I fully support having an AR in Scotland as a separate event but please for the love of all that is holy do not merge them into a single ride because you will loose the soul of both. Besides, I quite like having two large and very good rideouts to look forward to. Perhaps it would be worth considering the people that organise these events too.... the people that organise the GM are the very same people that would end up needing to organise the AR, if people feel they have the spare time to organise both then all power to them.

You have a superb annual rideout in Scotland already, it is called the GM, renaming it to 'AR2011' and then cancelling the real AR does not help, it merely reduces the amount of events that people have to look forward to.

dizzyblonde

13-08-10, 08:45 PM

Perhaps it would be worth considering the people that organise these events too.... the people that organise the GM are the very same people that would end up needing to organise the AR, if people feel they have the spare time to organise both then all power to them.
.

+1
This is a most valid point when deciding on putting an AR in Scotland. Organising one event is a huge burden to undertake, to organise two....would be way too much for those usually involved in the GM. Really would be expecting way too much of them IMHO.
They end up putting a lot of spare time into the organising, on top of their very busy working lives.

Milky Bar Kid

13-08-10, 08:46 PM

fenjer

13-08-10, 08:50 PM

+1
This is a most valid point when deciding on putting an AR in Scotland. Organising one event is a huge burden to undertake, to organise two....would be way too much for those usually involved in the GM. Really would be expecting way too much of them IMHO.
They end up putting a lot of spare time into the organising, on top of their very busy working lives.

+2

I'm all for having an AR somewhere near the Scotland/England border, there are fantastic roads there, but there would need to be enough people from that area to do recces, trial runs, find accomodation etc.

As with all these things you find the same people will end up doing the organising again and again and again...and thats not fair.

dizzyblonde

13-08-10, 08:57 PM

There are other people in the Ecosse section you know...:rolleyes:

I agree chick, but it always comes down to the same people every year (in one way or another), to recce, organise, help, please everyone and go grey over night with worry. Not many folk have the time, or the patience for such a large responsiblity.
I certainly wouldn't like to undertake such a job, doing one, never mind two.

Smudge

13-08-10, 09:08 PM

If it's up norf I dont mind helping with the planning as I haven't even attended an AR yet.
Chris mate if you are planning on doing some research gis a job I'm at Uni too and need something to get me through the hols.
I do think we have better springs than summers nowadays so earlier makes sense to me.

Messie

13-08-10, 09:32 PM

This is an excellent discussion with some good points being made and rolled around.

Nothing is decided yet. All these ideas are needed and they will infuse over the next little while into something more tangible and clear.

Keep going with the thoughts org people. There's plenty of time.

Davies

13-08-10, 10:14 PM

Isle of man, job done :D

Beat me to it! Gets my vote.

Lozzo

13-08-10, 10:29 PM

I'm not bothered where it is, the organisation at the two ARs I've attended has been nothing short of excellent and so have the facilities. No matter where you go in Britain there are enough good roads in the area to do a bloody good ride-out, so location isn't too important to me.

My only request is that wherever it is held, Bear needs to be there, if only to do the pre-ride briefing.

andrewsmith

13-08-10, 10:32 PM

Northumberland
About same time as this year
Toilets
Bar and off license in reasonable distance

1) Seahouses/ Beadnell couple of camp sites around there within 15 minutes walk
Linky for location (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=campsites+in+northumberland&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=campsites&hnear=Northumberland&view=text&ei=GMZlTPnhKJSMOInKyIkN&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CC4QtQMwAA)

2) Whitley Bay

fizzwheel

13-08-10, 10:42 PM

As for time, bring it forward to July, maybe even end of June as the weather ALWAYS seems better then.

Havent we tried AR's in June and July and got rained on. In fact this years AR I think is one of the driest I've attended. TBH as long as it doesnt clash with the British Moto GP round, then I dont really care when it is either !

metalangel

14-08-10, 08:05 AM

Well, a couple have mentioned on this thread having it in Wales again at the Basky. Now, I'd be more than willing to sort that out again with whoever helping as it would take the sum total of about three phone calls to get it booked and sorted.

The little chipmunk girl on the reception said 'see you next year' when we were leaving! I think they realize what a great time we had...

I think Messie's idea of Peak/Lake District is a good 'un. While Ireland would be cool it would be a bit expensive getting over there both in time and money... not to mention the poor roads and constant rain. I do enough sitting at home listening to the rain, drinking Guinness and wishing I was out on the bike as it is.

Bri w

14-08-10, 08:55 AM

for Northumberland; based near Bellingham, giving a tentative rideout of Bellingham to Hawick to Brampton to Haltwhistle and back to Bellingham. approx 150 miles and circumnavigating Keilder National Park.

A bit further south, based near Alston. With a rough idea of rideout via Hartside, Crook, Hexham and back to Alston, a distance of approx 120 miles.

Both routes can be extended, or shortened, without changing the nature of the rides. Other orgers, who live closer to those areas will have a better idea of routes, and probable campsites.

Chateau Bri w is available, with 3 spare rooms and garden for anyone wishing to break the journey up.

ArtyLady

14-08-10, 08:56 AM

Perhaps as the OP has raised the first question, and has replied to so many orgers suggestions, maybe she could organise it again next time!

Yes....Essex :sunny:

Drew Carey

14-08-10, 09:08 AM

How about Yorkshire Dales etc?

SoulKiss

14-08-10, 09:11 AM

Well I think I can safely say that all those who went to the Annual Rideout 2010 had a fantastic time :D Many thanks to all those who organised, led, TEC'd, marked and attended it to make it so splendid. But time marches relentlessly on. AR10 has gone and is now no more than fond memories and a one stop photo thread :(

Next question is, therefore, what about next year? AR11:smt045

Some questions to get you started -

Where should it be?
When should it be?
What are the absolute basic essentials?
What are the desirable extras?

And most importantly, who is willing to put their head above the parapet and take on the awesome job that is the

sv650.org Annual Rideout 2011

And please don't use this thread for any whinges or arguments. It's just a place to throw around a few ideas and get people thinking. Mwah xxx

I dunno, maybe we should just bin the idea, after all it took 5 days to pass after the last one for anyone to start a thread about the next one - that level of apathy just suggests that no-one would come.

So, maybe just skip 2011 and head on to 2012?

LOL - wherever it is I know that

a) I wont be organising it,

and

b) will, if I can, turn up no matter where it is.

Supervox

14-08-10, 09:45 AM

. . . Cant really offer up East Anglia - far too flat and dull, we do have good roads but compared to what the rest of you ride on a regular basis you'd be pretty unimpressed!!

That's what a number of people said about AR09 & why I believe some people didn't bother coming - and what a boring ride that turned out to be, didn't it ?!!

Whilst not directly concermed with AR11 (sorry !!) I've had an idea that I'd like 'to put out there' for others comments -

The last 2 ARs have both been excellent - yes I'll admit I'm biased about AR09 but why not, I'm proud of what Sally achieved with my little contribution being the rideout - and from what I understand there have been some other outstanding ones in recent years as well; so, why not re-visit these on a rota basis moving around the country as we do so ?

Who says that each year we have to have a different venue? It would seem to me that we (The Org) should now have enough contacts with 'good' venues to make the organisation much easier & more simple - it doesn't have to be the same people each time they could easily hand the 'info packs' over to others & I'm sure that routes could be tweaked to provide some variety.

fizzwheel

14-08-10, 10:05 AM

While Ireland would be cool it would be a bit expensive getting over there both in time and money... not to mention the poor roads and constant rain.

The weather I can deal with, in my experience roads in the ROI are bl**dy awful once you get off the main ones. Not fun with a rideout group the size we had last weekend.

As for rotating it around to previous venues, well thats fine, but I'm putting my hand up now and saying I am not running another one. Its far to stressful and I am not putting myself or Liz through that again.

gruntygiggles

14-08-10, 10:18 AM

Voxy, I think that your idea is a very good one. Fizz and I had a little chat about this as it makes sense to use venues that are already proven to be able to cope with us as I have a feeling that with the numbers this year (for which I can't take credit...Hovis can) they are just going to get bigger and bigger!

Going on where I've been...

AR08 venue - capable of fitting a fair few more tents in and the roads are fab (I wasn't on the ride, but they are some of my fav roads outside Wales to ride now).

AR09 venue - capable of fitting a fair few more tents, don't know the roads but didn't hear any complaints.

AR10 venue - able to fit up to 500 tents/1000 people so no worries there and the roads, well.....this years was just one of MANY routes that can be done from there into Wales OR the Midlands.

I personally would LOVE to see a rideout in Yorkshire as Drew said because I love it up there and there are some incredible passes with amazing scenery. I would like a rideout in the lakes/peakes but I feel the roads may be a challenge with 100+ bikes.

Regards what MetalAngel said...lol. The receptionist probably said that because I've tentatively booked a few different weekends for next year as if I wait, they'll book up and I don't want to miss out on a WelshTT there next year. It's 3 phone calls and done when the AR is decided upon. Probably take on Elan Valley and some of the other fab roads, maybe even the two 270 degree constant radius bends for photo ops.

Whoever organises next year, I'll just say this...organising something for what turned out to be 160ish people was a piece of pish. I am not just saying that. I think I had about 10 email conversations with the other organisers since the date was set. I had the original catering van cancel 6 weeks before the event, big deal...NOT. Had two others lined up within 24 hours.

It's not a stressful thing to do so long as you remember that it's not a competition with the previous year...they are all different and SHOULD be all different in theur own ways. You have to remember you can't please all the people all the time, so don't sweat it when 3 people don't like something that 100+ other people love. Just try to accomodate as much as you can.

When I agreed to help Hovis, everyone told us both we were mad as near the time it would go crazy and we'd be pulling our hair out. It didn't happen.

I'm very glad I did it, I'd happliy do it again and so I can say to anyone thinking about doing it....JUST GO FOR IT. Pm me and other previous organisers if you want :-)

EDIT: Just read Fizzwheels post so yes, maybe it can be stressful and I had an easy run. I remember the run up to AR08 and I wouldn't have wanted to swap places with the organisers!

Bri w

14-08-10, 10:26 AM

Repeating past AR's isn't a bad idea. A fair number of Orgers won't have been on them.

Supervox

14-08-10, 10:55 AM

Regarding the stress, etc of organising an AR - I wouldn't know, I just did the rideoute ie the easy bit !!

However, if we were to use previous venues I believe that there would be a lot less stress & hassle involved as one of the biggest 'problems' would be sorted - that of finding a suitable venue that we know will be ok.

Put it this way, if the AR ever comes back to Essex and Sally wants a break I'd be happy to take it on !!

tinpants

14-08-10, 11:17 AM

There are loads of places I'd love to go to for an AR. Scotland, North Wales, South Wales (again) Cumbria and The Lakes, Somerset / Dorset (again). As for putting down roots for the AR and running it from the same venue each year, I can see good and bad points for it. Good points (that I can think of) everyone knows where the venue is and roughly whats on offer, the route can be tweaked or altered. Bad points: not everyone will want to travel a long way to get to the same venue - although I doubt if Bill will be coming along every year!! I personally think the AR needs to be rotated around the country year on year otherwise it stands the chance of becoming stale and boring. I would be happy to see a return to previous venues as well.

Just my 2p.

Lissa

14-08-10, 11:28 AM

Peak District...er, no. Too many 30 and 40 limits, high police presence, and just no fun any more.:(

Lake District...would be sheer hell during the school holiday peroid. :smt013

My choice would be further north, or the far south.

missyburd

14-08-10, 11:40 AM

Who says that each year we have to have a different venue? It would seem to me that we (The Org) should now have enough contacts with 'good' venues to make the organisation much easier & more simple - it doesn't have to be the same people each time they could easily hand the 'info packs' over to others & I'm sure that routes could be tweaked to provide some variety.
Cracking idea, but it only seems fair that we try have an AR in most parts of the UK before repeating the rota. And it would be great if people who've missed out on previous AR's get to attend one in the same location at some point. Not forgetting those that can't travel too far and therefore have a chance at an AR closer to them.

The Lakes, Northumberland, Upper Cumbria, all places which would be great locations (in fact we've had a Lakes AR already but I hear shelter and such left a little bit to be desired...). Plus, with the knowledge that past and potential organisers have gained from knowing what people expect, what works and what doesn't makes every future AR set up for being even better than the last :D

dizzyblonde

14-08-10, 11:57 AM

Going on where I've been...

AR08 venue - capable of fitting a fair few more tents in and the roads are fab (I wasn't on the ride, but they are some of my fav roads outside Wales to ride now).

AR09 venue - capable of fitting a fair few more tents, don't know the roads but didn't hear any complaints.

AR10 venue - able to fit up to 500 tents/1000 people so no worries there and the roads, well.....this years was just one of MANY routes that can be done from there into Wales OR the Midlands.

I personally would LOVE to see a rideout in Yorkshire as Drew said because I love it up there and there are some incredible passes with amazing scenery. I would like a rideout in the lakes/peakes but I feel the roads may be a challenge with 100+ bikes

AR07 was int Yorkshire Dales. The campsite was just over the road from the village of Austwick, on the A65. To me the campsite from what I remember was a really good flat field, they allowed a big BBQ, had a bar on site( on the Friday at least) IIRC there were other groups that had booked into the dorms, showers were ok, toilets facilities etc, but there wasn't any sort of hotel type thing onsite, but there were B&Bs in Austwick as Melody stayed in one

Everyone remembers Mel and her baps eh peeps;)

Unfortunately AR07 was plagued by the floods of that year, and the highlight was watching the worst rainclouds in history roll over the hills all night, it was abismal, and the rideout got it too. The rideout itself wasn't that inspiring, as IIRC the Soho collective had to come and recce a route as nobody in the area was willing to organise the event. Settle is only down the road for off license runs, and there were a few chippies, and other type foody places there. AND a big Little Chef in the opposite direction for brekkie and ride start.
I pass the place on the way to the GM, Lakes, or out on a bimble, and it does still exist, as its a hillwalkers /outdoor thingy.
It would be nice to see a return to that venue(with a burger van), as I think its what set the ball rolling facility wise...although nothing in comparison to the last couple of ARs.

http://www.dalesbridge.co.uk/

It could possibly be a good suggestion if the AR was to rotate to previous places. BUT it wouldn't be me organising it, too many babies, houses to sell and kids for that this year!
If someone that knows the area would step forward, I think it might be well worth a revisit.

14-08-10, 12:13 PM

Northumberland would be great but I echo Fenjer's concerns.

Peak District - 50s and dry stone walls and endless boring villages.

Could do here again (same site as AR06), different route through Wales. Has the facilities we need, and can lay on more.

Messie

14-08-10, 12:58 PM

Yes....Essex :sunny:

Hello stranger!!!

That's what a number of people said about AR09 & why I believe some people didn't bother coming - and what a boring ride that turned out to be, didn't it ?!! LOL

Whilst not directly concermed with AR11 (sorry !!) I've had an idea that I'd like 'to put out there' for others comments -

The last 2 ARs have both been excellent - yes I'll admit I'm biased about AR09 but why not, I'm proud of what Sally achieved with my little contribution being the rideout - and from what I understand there have been some other outstanding ones in recent years as well; so, why not re-visit these on a rota basis moving around the country as we do so ?
You did plenty of hard work on sorting out that great route!

Who says that each year we have to have a different venue? It would seem to me that we (The Org) should now have enough contacts with 'good' venues to make the organisation much easier & more simple - it doesn't have to be the same people each time they could easily hand the 'info packs' over to others & I'm sure that routes could be tweaked to provide some variety.

Regarding the stress, etc of organising an AR - I wouldn't know, I just did the rideoute ie the easy bit !!

However, if we were to use previous venues I believe that there would be a lot less stress & hassle involved as one of the biggest 'problems' would be sorted - that of finding a suitable venue that we know will be ok.

Put it this way, if the AR ever comes back to Essex and Sally wants a break I'd be happy to take it on !!
Haha I'll hold you to this.!

I think the idea of rotating a known number of places and venues is quite a good idea, although perhaps we need one or two more before we start again.

A few places have been mentioned more than once now, with their relative pro's and cons outlined.

Big question now is whether anyone from these areas is willing to have a go at putting together a plan, with venue and route ideas. Clearly there's no big rush for this but to get an idea now could be useful. We would need to know for early next year and the winter may not be a good time for checking out routes; also good venues may get booked up early and we may need to have lengthy discussions about dates.

Spiderman

14-08-10, 02:46 PM

To me the AR was a time for those who wanna give something back to the forum and community. For them to show the rest of us how nice their little part of the UK is.

However that all involves a lot of time and effort from those who are willing and have the desire to do this. Years past there have been some very keen people, very keen to show off their area and what it has to offer.

if we dont have that though, i cant see any reason why we cant revisit an area again. After all it was good enough before so it can only be better the next time.

Sadly being a londoner i cant be an AR organiser since there is no way of having a London AR unless a few laps of the M25 followed by camping in hyde park till the cops move in and nick us all for terror related offences sounds like fun to you?

Supervox

14-08-10, 03:04 PM

To me the AR was a time for those who wanna give something back to the forum and community. For them to show the rest of us how nice their little part of the UK is.

However that all involves a lot of time and effort from those who are willing and have the desire to do this. Years past there have been some very keen people, very keen to show off their area and what it has to offer.

if we dont have that though, i cant see any reason why we cant revisit an area again. After all it was good enough before so it can only be better the next time.

Sadly being a londoner I cant be an AR organiser since there is no way of having a London AR unless a few laps of the M25 followed by camping in hyde park till the cops move in and nick us all for terror related offences sounds like fun to you?

I don't see why a Soho Massive AR isn't possible - ok camping in Soho Square might be bit of a problem - but there must be campsites on the outskirts of London & there are plenty of nice roads around the Home Counties :-)

Spiderman

14-08-10, 03:22 PM

true enough mate but once we take the home counties into the mix we're into other regions like SelKent and that deaded Essex mob too which them means its not a true Soho Massive AR.
Lots of us (as you well know) have been involved behind the scenes in other AR organisations, routes etc and i think we're all happy to help that way but we'll never have a true London AR.

Tho the idea of 100 odd Orgers on frith street tickles me deeply ;)

gettin2dizzy

14-08-10, 03:23 PM

AR at Thorpe park ;)

Supervox

14-08-10, 03:24 PM

true enough mate but once we take the home counties into the mix we're into other regions like SelKent and that deaded Essex mob too which them means its not a true Soho Massive AR.
Lots of us (as you well know) have been involved behind the scenes in other AR organisations, routes etc and i think we're all happy to help that way but we'll never have a true London AR.

Tjo the idea of 100 odd Orgers on frith street tickles me deeply ;)

That would be an excellent Friday Night activity before the main event !! :-)

Spiderman

14-08-10, 03:34 PM

wouldnt it just! I'd love to see Mr Johnsons face when 100+ bikes all start up and get ready to go, lol.

CoolGirl

14-08-10, 03:35 PM

I don't see why a Soho Massive AR isn't possible - ok camping in Soho Square might be bit of a problem

I thought 'camping' in Soho Square was de rigeur!

But I digress. I'm afraid I'd be a bit rubbish at organising an AR, certainly the route. But in my limited experience, it does require someone to take charge and organise the thing, wherever it is. I'd say that was far more important than location, and the basic requirements of pub, food (esp breakfast) and good showers etc are clear.

Needs someone who can be decisive, even handed and put a lid on any disagreements that blow up. Remeber, a good potential venue was once lost through bickerage.

petevtwin650

14-08-10, 03:52 PM

I don't see why a Soho Massive AR isn't possible - ok camping in Soho Square might be bit of a problem - but there must be campsites on the outskirts of London & there are plenty of nice roads around the Home Counties :-)

There may be plenty of nice roads SV, but there is also lots and lots of traffic and plenty of speed cameras. Having ridden down to Boxhill and Kent recently, I spent most of that time stuck in traffic. Very frustrating after riding up here in the Midlands. Even in Wales where the traffic density must have been less and there were loads of overtaking opportunities, the markers struggled to make their way back to the front.

Also, why don't all the people who fancy a Scottish AR, do the GM? It's well organised, has breath-taking scenery and is very friendly.

Supervox

14-08-10, 04:03 PM

There may be plenty of nice roads SV, but there is also lots and lots of traffic and plenty of speed cameras. Having ridden down to Boxhill and Kent recently, I spent most of that time stuck in traffic. Very frustrating after riding up here in the Midlands. Even in Wales where the traffic density must have been less and there were loads of overtaking opportunities, the markers struggled to make their way back to the front.

Also, why don't all the people who fancy a Scottish AR, do the GM? It's well organised, has breath-taking scenery and is very friendly.

That's up to whoever organises the route - I managed to find a route that had no fixed cameras & minimum traffic - it can be done it just takes a bit of effort. As for scamera vans - well we came across one of those this year didn't we? It's a fact of life I'm afraid that good riding roads attract them.

yorkie_chris

14-08-10, 04:56 PM

It's a fact of life I'm afraid that good riding roads attract them.

Maybe near France or wherever you're riding :smt082

fizzwheel

14-08-10, 05:04 PM

Also, why don't all the people who fancy a Scottish AR, do the GM? It's well organised, has breath-taking scenery and is very friendly.

That's sounds like a very sensible idea.

fizzwheel

14-08-10, 05:08 PM

But in my limited experience, it does require someone to take charge and organise the thing, wherever it is. I'd say that was far more important than location

Bingo. This is the crux of the matter, we can go on all day about where we'd like to go. The question is where is it possible for us to go. Prime requirement is for somebody to put their c*ck on the block and organise things. If nobody is willing to do that, then the whole idea is a non starter IMHO.

Peronsally I'm not so sure going to tourist traps, heavily populated areas with a group the size we were this year is going to work well.

Like I said, I'm not fussed where, I am not fussed when. I'm just happy to go where somebody is wiling to organise the weekend.

I do have concerns over the sheer size of the group we are on the road now. But thats a subject for another thread.

yorkie_chris

14-08-10, 05:13 PM

No point even discussing group sizes as there's no fix for it except splitting it up which is not going to work. Even if that does result in a bit of a procession.

davepreston

14-08-10, 06:12 PM

me and irksy are putting together a package for you lot to look over , obviously it will take us a while to source things so stay tuned wnd when we have all the info we will see if you lot fancy it

Messie

14-08-10, 06:25 PM

Woo Hoo! Music to my Essex ears Davy

Supervox

14-08-10, 06:39 PM

me and irksy are putting together a package for you lot to look over , obviously it will take us a while to source things so stay tuned wnd when we have all the info we will see if you lot fancy it

Sounds good to me mate :-)

Chris, if you'd have come to this part of the world for AR09 ("flat & boring" though it is) you'd have known exactly where I was !!!

But seriously, if you have no scamera vans on your favourite routes then you're lucky !!

Smudge

14-08-10, 07:31 PM

Kielder forest has some great roads for large groups. but I agree with Lissa the lakes in the hols is packed and the best roads sight seeing wise are small tracks.
Dave what about round otterburn you must have been there with yar 80.

davepreston

14-08-10, 07:50 PM

yep smudge its one we have been talking about (otterburn) amongst others and we have a few special things in the pipeline

andrewsmith

14-08-10, 07:56 PM

Dave i'll definitely be staying in the loop and will help/ recce if needs be

davepreston

14-08-10, 08:00 PM

dont worry andy at some stage i'll be putting up a oy! i need people thread and i'll have you on the top of my list, cheers bud

dizzyblonde

14-08-10, 08:07 PM

But seriously, if you have no scamera vans on your favourite routes then you're lucky !!

Where we play a camera van would only get stuck;)
Where we play there are fewer cars anyway. :p
And where Chris likes best 'the bus' just manages:rolleyes:

Open country roads, twisty ups and downs with dry stone walls, far reaching views, forests...ohhh perfect, only five weeks til playtime again:sad:

Lozzo

14-08-10, 09:19 PM

Also, why don't all the people who fancy a Scottish AR, do the GM? It's well organised, has breath-taking scenery and is very friendly.

Maybe it's because alot of the people who'd like to do the AR don't get time to do that and the GM. Many have kids and/or partners who don't want to attend etc. Getting a weekend pass from the wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend may be ok for one weekend of the year, but two would be pushing it. Some of us also have work commitments that make it awkward.

Also, I see objections to the GM being turned into the AR for just one year only. What is the problem?

The GM guys and girls already organise a well subscribed and damn good by all accounts event run pretty much along the lines of the AR, so the extra people are just that ... extra people. Someone said that it would take away the soul of the GM and that they wouldn't have two rideouts to look forward to. Count yourself bloody lucky matey - some of us were lucky to get to attend just one day of the AR weekend, missed the rideout but rode across England anyway just to say hello and have three beers. Down here we don't get two major rideouts a year to go to, so we cherish the one we do get. It's for one year only, not forever more - you'll have your GM back as normal the next year.

As for the possibility of the GM losing its soul - get a life. It's a rideout, it's what you make of it; if you start with a negative attitude a year beforehand you'll never enjoy it no matter how good it is. The AR is a fantastic event for members from all over the UK (and Appalachia) and the social interaction between members who don't see each other from one AR to the next is what gives it what others might consider 'soul', and anyone who thinks a rideout around Scotland will lose any of its appeal purely because more people are doing it is having delusions.

Trying to keep the GM for just a select few smacks of a whole load of selfishness to me.