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Erm, no.
The union everywhere is far more fractured than last week, due to all four countries clamouring for devolved powers - but less so than it would have now been within Scotland if Yes had succeeded. ;-)
I've followed the unfolding of this whole thread with interest. Funny how the majority of the posts since the results came in have been pro-unionists telling yes voters to stop harping on and accept the results. I thought we were in a democracy and therefore allowed to discuss the finer points afterwards. No?
Someone earlier said Alex Salmond got to set the question as he wanted it, but that's not actually true. Westminster stepped in and refused option 3. Because of that fact, the odds were always heavily stacked in the favour of No. Had devo-max been added as option 3 to the voting slip then Westminster would have been shizzing themselves as no doubt a huge chunk of yes voters would have settled for it, as would a whole lot of folk who said No because of the uncertainty over currency, job security etc. I'm sure it would have been a much less risky path for the financial bods too.
Spank86
22-09-14, 10:09 PM
I've followed the unfolding of this whole thread with interest. Funny how the majority of the posts since the results came in have been pro-unionists telling yes voters to stop harping on and accept the results. I thought we were in a democracy and therefore allowed to discuss the finer points afterwards. No?
Unfortunately freedom of speech cuts both ways.
The yes voters are allowed to harp on and the no voters are allowed to tell them to stop.
Freedom's tricksy like that.
i think its been an interesting and heated debate by both sides and i congradulate everyone that has taken the time to get involved. its been fun :-)
both sides have made promises and the no side won with 'better together' now lets just see if Scotland really is 'better together' in the next 10 years.
one of my gripes about what happens in the next 2 years is Labour getting the majority votes on both sides and presides over Holyrood and Westminster. this would give them pretty much free reign to do as they please.
the 3 main political parties have all promised that Scotland will be 'better together' so does that mean each one of them will have Scotland best interests at heart for forever more and if its not better for Scotland can the Scottish public have another referendum based on broken promises?
or is that it and we now have to like it or lump it and take what's coming even though it might actually turn out worse.
the 'better together' seems like a very very big promise to me.
independence of Scotland was an unknown but 'better together' has been stated as a fact.
Spank86
22-09-14, 11:03 PM
Same as every election bib, you voted for them so now you've got to live with the lies.
punyXpress
23-09-14, 10:52 AM
'better together' has been stated as a fact.
Lance, that's politician-speak for ' laissez-faire '
i think its been an interesting and heated debate by both sides and i congradulate everyone that has taken the time to get involved. its been fun :-)
both sides have made promises and the no side won with 'better together' now lets just see if Scotland really is 'better together' in the next 10 years.
one of my gripes about what happens in the next 2 years is Labour getting the majority votes on both sides and presides over Holyrood and Westminster. this would give them pretty much free reign to do as they please.
For once Bibio, I agree with your gripe. That's why the West Lothian question has popped up again and Cameron's move to ban Scottish MP's voting on English matters. It's something that I have thought unfair for some years. Of course, his motive is for the Conservatives to hold power for the forseeable Future. Without the 40 Scottish Labour MP's votes, Labour would be shafted on implementing most of their policies.
Cameron comes over as an opportunist, but I would bet money that he had this planned all along in the event of a Yes vote.
i agree that MSP's should not meddle in affairs of the rest of the UK but they still need to be there and only there to contest certain laws and powers which affect us all.
if you look at whats more than likely going to happen with devo-max a possibility then it might have just been better to give Scotland full control and get on with it. i still say there was to much of 'we will do this and we will do that' going on instead of working together and coming to better agreements for the good of us all.
Scotland had no option but to get independence within the next 10 years so they could build an economy with the oil revenue to work towards a future where with luck they would be able to continue without it and possibly help out our kin south of the border when needed and visa versa. stronger together yes i agree but two good economy's working for the greater good would be better in my eyes than one who have to divide between everyone.
i hope some good comes out of all this and it might just shake up politics enough to make a difference.
If my MP can't vote on English issues, what is he going to do with all his spare time? :)
He gets paid the same as any other MP and, never mind the bedroom tax, this **** has got a spare house at our expense. Seems like poor value.
How about we just have English MP's at Westminster as they're the only ones with an actual full-time job?
The Chancellor sets the budget for each country and they argue about the spending of it in London, Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast as appropriate. That's the important stuff dealt with.
For national discussions about the economy, world events, the EU and everything else we can't actually do anything about - every country just sends one representative each. Four people is plenty for a pointless argument. They can have all their meetings on Skype.
now i'm really confused.
you would think that SNP would be out on there back side due to the recent referendum, but and i know its early. a recent poll shows them to be a clear majority to win in the next upcoming Scottish elections due to the Scottish public feeling that ''SNP would the best party to look after Scottish interests''. WTF you could not make it up if you tried...
Bibio, I would guess that enough of the oldies who voted yes would like Scotland to be Independent but felt that there were too many unanswered questions. Particularly as regards the currency and business security.
punyXpress
23-09-14, 10:44 PM
Anyone signed up for .scot domain name yet?
Why not, don't you care. ;)
Right. I've come doon and squared it wi the big man. We're a' cool noo. Nae ****in aboot fae any o ye's.
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