Difficulty engaging neutral once warm - SV650.org

Jason H · 10-06-13, 08:28 AM

Hi All,

I did an oil and filter change on my K6 on saturday morning, took her out for a ride and found just before heading home that I couldn't engage neutral instead I was simply shifting up and down between 1st and 2nd.

The shift from 1st to 2nd also felt very hard (2nd to 1st not so much).

Turning the engine off and shifting into neutral wasn't a problem.

I did a quick search on here saturday afternoon and found the lovely instructional thread by anna on how to adjust the clutch. Sunday morning I adjusted the clutch as per instructions 1/8 of a turn on the screw etc.

Put it all back together, started her up and sat there shifting up and down in and out of neutral with ease. Took the bike out for about 15mins but then found that it wouldn't go into neutral again once home.

On the way into work this morning I have had the same problem, first 10 mins or so of the ride it would go into neutral no problem but once it was fully warmed up to normal running temperature it would no longer do it.

I'd really like to sort this before the AR...

Any help and/or advice?

10-06-13, 08:55 AM

You overfilled the oil?

johnnyrod · 10-06-13, 08:59 AM

The clutch lifter worm lasts about 20k miles so if you're getting there then it's worth looking at, the little balls eat into the worm and it feels squidgy and doesn't work so well.

Red Herring · 10-06-13, 09:18 AM

I'm just slightly confused by how it seems OK when cold, but not when warm. Normally it's the other way round and the cause is clutch drag.

Does it make any difference if you are moving or not?

Jason H · 10-06-13, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Guru

You overfilled the oil?

The oil level is just below the F on the sight glass (whilst on the side stand) Would you advise taking some out then?

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyrod

The clutch lifter worm lasts about 20k miles so if you're getting there then it's worth looking at, the little balls eat into the worm and it feels squidgy and doesn't work so well.

Mine is just over the 25/26k miles so I may look at this. What do you mean by it feels squidgy?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Herring

I'm just slightly confused by how it seems OK when cold, but not when warm. Normally it's the other way round and the cause is clutch drag.

Does it make any difference if you are moving or not?

Can't say I've tried putting it into neutral whilst moving to be honest. Not something I'd usually do...

10-06-13, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason H

The oil level is just below the F on the sight glass (whilst on the side stand) Would you advise taking some out then?

Too much oil, it should be at this level when on a flat level surface, if it is on F when on the stand then it is overfilled (by quite a bit)

Popy Fresco · 10-06-13, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason H

I did a quick search on here saturday afternoon and found the lovely instructional thread by anne on how to adjust the clutch. Sunday morning I adjusted the clutch as per instructions 1/8 of a turn on the screw etc.

Can you put the link?

Seems i'm too stupid to find it...

Jason H · 10-06-13, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveyrach

Too much oil, it should be at this level when on a flat level surface, if it is on F when on the stand then it is overfilled (by quite a bit)

Aha, awesome. I will try to empty some oil out then...any suggestions on the best way to do this?

Also not that I really need to know this but why does too much oil cause this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popy Fresco

Can you put the link?

Seems i'm too stupid to find it...

Here it is:
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.p...utch+adjusting

10-06-13, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason H

Aha, awesome. I will try to empty some oil out then...any suggestions on the best way to do this?

It is very difficult without emptying all of it out, try getting a friend to help hold it up right or invest in a stand so you can put the bike on a level.

10-06-13, 11:39 AM

a big syringe and plastic tubing worked for me, but that's because i had that in the garage.

alternatively, dump the oil into a clean pan and pour back up to correct level.

10-06-13, 08:28 AM	#1
Jason H Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Sussex...Previously a Somerset Lad Posts: 276	Difficulty engaging neutral once warm Hi All, I did an oil and filter change on my K6 on saturday morning, took her out for a ride and found just before heading home that I couldn't engage neutral instead I was simply shifting up and down between 1st and 2nd. The shift from 1st to 2nd also felt very hard (2nd to 1st not so much). Turning the engine off and shifting into neutral wasn't a problem. I did a quick search on here saturday afternoon and found the lovely instructional thread by anna on how to adjust the clutch. Sunday morning I adjusted the clutch as per instructions 1/8 of a turn on the screw etc. Put it all back together, started her up and sat there shifting up and down in and out of neutral with ease. Took the bike out for about 15mins but then found that it wouldn't go into neutral again once home. On the way into work this morning I have had the same problem, first 10 mins or so of the ride it would go into neutral no problem but once it was fully warmed up to normal running temperature it would no longer do it. I'd really like to sort this before the AR... Any help and/or advice? __________________ Naked K5 - Now Red with sexy stripes!! Mods: Renthal Flat bars, 's' clutch perch, GSXR front master cylinder, CNC shorty levers, Tail Tidy, Fuel Mini S/S Slip-on, 15/47, 's' Swing-arm, Pillion seat cowl, GSXR 750 front end, CNC polished top yoke, R6 Throttle tube, GSXR rear shock Rotate your Owl Last edited by Jason H; 10-06-13 at 11:20 AM. Reason: corrected anna's username from anne

10-06-13, 08:55 AM	#2
The Guru Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm You overfilled the oil?

10-06-13, 08:59 AM	#3
johnnyrod Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Doncaster, oop norf Posts: 2,128	Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm The clutch lifter worm lasts about 20k miles so if you're getting there then it's worth looking at, the little balls eat into the worm and it feels squidgy and doesn't work so well.

10-06-13, 09:18 AM	#4
Red Herring Member Mega Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,708	Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm I'm just slightly confused by how it seems OK when cold, but not when warm. Normally it's the other way round and the cause is clutch drag. Does it make any difference if you are moving or not?

10-06-13, 11:39 AM	#10
m`baubz Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm a big syringe and plastic tubing worked for me, but that's because i had that in the garage. alternatively, dump the oil into a clean pan and pour back up to correct level.

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