Fuel Prices - again

[Biker Biggles]

Point of order.Theres no such thing as a zero emission car.Electric cars just cause emissions at the power station rather than on the road,and all manufactured goods(including solar panels) create lots of emissions as they are built.
No free lunches here.

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

I feel your pain SV Racer but although binge drinking appears to be at epidemic levels in the U.K. you should not forget the duty being paid on drink. If the duties received where way below what it was costing to presently manage all drink related illnesses I am sure that steps would be taken...read taxation at prohibitiver levels.

Also smokers receive a lot of criticism but they again pay far more in to the nations kitty than any non smoker,so again they do not financially create a drain on the system.

You complain about poverty levels? Wicked as any poverty is, you are being dilusional if you felt that for example a Conservative administration would see that as any kind of priority. People at that end of the pecking order would not be receiving special case status any time soon from the politicians in blue. Never mistake that fact.

Yup I know that who ever is in power nothing will change. The whole system needs changing but while it benfits those in power it won't change. MP's are self servering they only do things for them not the country.

What many fail to think about is that if people didn't live in poverty, there was help for drug addits and I mean proper help you see a massive change. If alchol was dealt with properly and public disorder then this would be a different country.

But as with all these things it requires those in power to do something about it, but they never will. I mean why would they? Its not in their interest to do so.

Oh for the enviroment a lot of what is said by the government and on TV is wrong, its just another tax. Its another of these that would require those in charge to care about and to actually do something rather than finding more money to fund their second homes and familes in fake jobs.

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Point of order.Theres no such thing as a zero emission car.Electric cars just cause emissions at the power station rather than on the road,and all manufactured goods(including solar panels) create lots of emissions as they are built.
No free lunches here.

Actually many of these types of energy or electric cars cost more in terms of energy to produce than they will return in their use. So yes its a waste of time and resouces. Money should be spent on making them efficent and devloping reliable production of these of these units. Then we can talk about using them, until that point is reached its all a bit of a waste of time.

Originally Posted by svracer12

What many fail to think about is that if people didn't live in poverty, there was help for drug addits and I mean proper help you see a massive change. If alchol was dealt with properly and public disorder then this would be a different country.

But as with all these things it requires those in power to do something about it, but they never will. I mean why would they? Its not in their interest to do so.

And then you'd have everyone and their mother complaining even more about the nanny state...

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Point of order.Theres no such thing as a zero emission car.Electric cars just cause emissions at the power station rather than on the road,and all manufactured goods(including solar panels) create lots of emissions as they are built.
No free lunches here.

In someways i would agree but with nuclear powerstations becoming more efficient and safer and basicaly being zero emmision if we charged cars from such a source this would be in effect a zero emmision vehicle apart from obvious manufacturing of the car.
This is not however how i see future transport i see it more from the point of self contained power units, they have been trying to perfect cold fusion technology for years some say they have got it to work but its been burried by people with alot to lose if it come on into the market place. This would be true zero emmision technology not bull**** hybrid **** they are trying to sell to people. As already mentioned somewhere a polo diesel will do alot more miles to the gallon then a prius.
The governments of the world need to get serious and force car/bike manufactures to change what they produce and how they market it to consumers because they are so easily taken in and led by the advertising.

Its always amazed me that they bang on about the speedlimits being this and that yet you can legaly buy a car/bike that will easily do double those speeds!! man is open to temptation afterall so why make them?? dont get me wrong i enjoy exceeding the speed limit as much as the next man but should they produce them in the first place? whats the point other than just a marketing ploy? I live in a city like most of you will and how often can you get to speed for long nowadays? when was the last time you rode for more than 2 minutes over 100mph? not very often id bet so why have a bike that can do another 60mph on top of that? Does it make sense?

Originally Posted by Filipe M.

And then you'd have everyone and their mother complaining even more about the nanny state...

I know what your saying and understand but when I have a some what different view of how drugs effect people and the damage it can casue. Its not just user it effects its the people they robbed and steal and from and their familes.

I mean how else can this be solved? What I mean by help are properly funded drug programs where people can get help. I would think actually helping people is better than locking all of them up and sending them to somewhere when they can get there hands on more drugs. Its a never ending circle its very frustrating when you do best, but really nothing more can be done.

Originally Posted by svracer12

I know what your saying and understand but when I have a some what different view of how drugs effect people and the damage it can casue. Its not just user it effects its the people they robbed and steal and from and their familes.

I mean how else can this be solved? What I mean by help are properly funded drug programs where people can get help. I would think actually helping people is better than locking all of them up and sending them to somewhere when they can get there hands on more drugs. Its a never ending circle its very frustrating when you do best, but really nothing more can be done.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I agree with you, it's just that it seems to me that it's a no win situation. On the one hand you have people who defend this point of view, on the other you have people who would cry foul at the slightest hint of another lost degree of freedom (the freedom to get plastered / high).

I see the future clearly,a more sophisticated version of dropping mintos in to a coca cola bottle will be harnessed and we will all be scooting around on our own Fizz propelled trainers.

Remember where you read it first.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Fizz propelled trainers.

I'm not propelling anybodies trainers

[Viney]

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

If independant travel is to continue to be a privilege for most of us, we really must change our mental chip. Information regarding top end, 0 to 60 etc should never be produced. It will be important that you are able to get there, not how quick you might be able to do it. It really has to be the way forward.

I was out at the weekend and noticed that a local secondhand car dealer had put the MPG of each of the cars on the windscreens. Some new novel way of selling cars. However, the one showing 48.2mpg was a Hyundai Amica. Not something i would wish on your worst enemy!!