The Cycling Thread

[Dipper]

Guys what do you guys use for a waterproof jacket?

This (http://www.evanscycles.com/products/sugoi/zap-bike-jacket-ec103819?country=GB&currency=GBP&esvt=1416-GOUKE1050748&esvq=&esvadt=999999-0-35904-1&esvcrea=61234393016&esvplace=&esvd=c&esvaid=50080&gclid=COXa1qKVjsoCFWXkwgodIsAI7Q) is what I use very reflective for commuting, like all rain jackets you can end up wetter inside that out if the weather's too warm.

[maviczap]

I've got one proper waterproof top, but as I don't go out in the rain, its mint! Its a Gore Oxygen goretex jacket, more of a racing cut, than for commuting. Fits in one of my back pockets (just)

I've also got a Sportful Fiandre light rain jacket, more shower proof, than waterproof, but really breathable, so I don't get too sweaty inside. Easily fits inside my pocket.

For your use maybe an Altura Night Vision jacket. Gets good reviews on Wiggle & road cc

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/mens/cycle/cycling-waterproof-jackets/

http://road.cc/category/review-section/jackets

Its seems that generally the more you pay, the better the breathability of the jackets & better the cut.

[carelesschucca]

As we are talking jackets would you guys think about wearing a Proviz 360 waterproof (http://road.cc/content/review/137125-proviz-reflect-360-jacket) jacket? I'm thinking about one as in the next few months most of my riding will be in the dark.

I think I might have scared someone today, I waved and said hello to him today and he showed up on my Strava Flyby so I gave him Kudos and a wee comment.

[maviczap]

Dippers your expert commuter here, if you're riding in the dark, then more led lights & reflective tape on your mudguards could be as effective for less money?

A good front light is worth the money, but another cheapo led rear would improve your visibility?

[punyXpress]

Dippers your expert commuter here, if you're riding in the dark, then more led lights & reflective tape on your mudguards could be as effective for less money?

A good front light is worth the money, but another cheapo led rear would improve your visibility?

Coming back from GM in 2013 via Applecross & John O'Groats my rear light died in Edinburgh. Somewhat unnerving trip home from there using the brake light as an emergency. Now carry a cheap Lidl rear light as a standby.
The Street Triple rear light is LED & not easily repaired at the roadside.
Luckily ( for my purse ) it was a blown fuse which cost 5 pence instead of £110 for the LED lamp!

[Dipper]

As we are talking jackets would you guys think about wearing a Proviz 360 waterproof (http://road.cc/content/review/137125-proviz-reflect-360-jacket) jacket? I'm thinking about one as in the next few months most of my riding will be in the dark.

I think I might have scared someone today, I waved and said hello to him today and he showed up on my Strava Flyby so I gave him Kudos and a wee comment.

That looks similar to the Sugoi jacket I posted a link to but it looks like its a looser fit, the Sugoi is semi fitted which I prefer.

[maviczap]

Guys what do you guys use for a waterproof jacket?

Currently I use an UnderArmour baselayer with my DHB Momentum Jacket on top. The jacket is more like a jersey really, and is not windproof or waterproof. So at the end of each commute its still wet for the return leg. I have a Sportful Refelx 2 rain layer but on the the occasions I did use it the zipp kept sticking and didn't do a great job of keeping me dry underneath neither.

Hoping to spend under £100 if I can

Cheers

That Altura i posted up has just been reduced to £43 by Ribble

[TheRamJam]

Thanks for the input lads

In the end I went for a punt on the Rivelo Langcliffe jacket. Liked the idea of just a plain black jacket

Rivelo (http://rivelo.cc/mens.html)

[carelesschucca]

This (http://www.evanscycles.com/products/sugoi/zap-bike-jacket-ec103819?country=GB&currency=GBP&esvt=1416-GOUKE1050748&esvq=&esvadt=999999-0-35904-1&esvcrea=61234393016&esvplace=&esvd=c&esvaid=50080&gclid=COXa1qKVjsoCFWXkwgodIsAI7Q) is what I use very reflective for commuting, like all rain jackets you can end up wetter inside that out if the weather's too warm.

How do you find the jacket altogether? I like the fact you can get them in normal colours, the red does appeal. I'd be using it for commutes or for evening rides after work, and at this time of year I don't think I need to worry about warmth :)

If you're riding in the dark, then more led lights & reflective tape on your mudguards could be as effective for less money?

A good front light is worth the money, but another cheapo led rear would improve your visibility?

I have a FWE (http://www.evanscycles.com/products/fwe/15-lumen-usb-re-chargeable-led-rear-light-ec120384#features) rear light atm, I was thinking about getting another. I have the Leyzne 600lm (http://www.evanscycles.com/products/lezyne/macro-drive-600xl-load-y9-front-light-ec119203) thingy and a Decathlon one. Trying to figure out a way to attach both is a trial. After you saying reflective tape I'm looking at 3M reflective tape for the back mudguard, I suppose if the worst comes to the worst I could wear the reflective waist coat thing I was FORCED to wear leading the GM a few years ago.

[Dipper]

How do you find the jacket altogether? I like the fact you can get them in normal colours, the red does appeal. I'd be using it for commutes or for evening rides after work, and at this time of year I don't think I need to worry about warmth :)

It's my go to rain jacket. It's lined which is nice but small enough to roll up and stuff into a jersey pocket, it doesn't feel cumbersome or flap and has a nice long back to keep the back end warm and dry :) One downside is there's only one pocket which isn't all that big but I keep all my repair kit in a small saddle pack.

[maviczap]

My frame has bosses for a rack at the top of the seat stays, ive bolted a cheapo LED light onto one of these. Gives it a nice solid base out of the way of the seat and saddle pack,

[Adam Ef]

...would you guys think about wearing a Proviz 360 waterproof (http://road.cc/content/review/137125-proviz-reflect-360-jacket) jacket? I'm thinking about one as in the next few months most of my riding will be in the dark.

They're amazing for visibility. My friend has the gilet and he glows. I'd suggest trying them on before you buy though. They come up very large. I'm normally a Large in most jackets, but a small Proviz was about right for me and even still slightly baggy! Feels about as baggy as the XL Gore jacket I have for deep winter to allow a few layers under.

[Adam Ef]

A study done a while back (that I've forgotten the link to) showed that one of the most recognised things you can wear cycling was reflective ankle clips / straps or have reflectors on pedals, as the up down reflective movment was immediately recognised by the largest number of people as someone being on a bike, so they could judge probable speed etc. Scary how many people (especially elderley) didn't see lights /jackets etc!

I use the Respro ones..

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/respro/ankle-bands-ec009165?country=GB&currency=GBP&esvt=1496-GOUKE1068178&esvq=&esvadt=999999-0-36856-1&esvcrea=61235497376&esvplace=&esvd=c&esvaid=50080&gclid=Cj0KEQiAzai0BRCs2Yydo8yptuIBEiQAN3_lFhK2zfb2 DV0yCz1NRdKJ6k_L059lU2PffYnPFXEkcE8aAvvm8P8HAQ

They're hi-viz one side and reversible with scotchlite reflective on the other. Also useful for holding in my baggy waterproof trousers when I wear them for torrential commutes.

[DJ123]

Whilst browsing the BHF rides I found some good perks of becoming a member British Cycling:


https://www.bhf.org.uk/get-involved/events/training-zone/british-cycling-membership-package


Ride membership costs £32 and £4 of this will come to us. Your membership will include:

12 months membership
Weekly newsletter with exclusive content on routes, bike maintenance and event news
12% off bikes, equipment and clothing at online cycle retailer, Wiggle
10% discount at Halfords stores nationwide
Priority access tickets to major UK cycle events
Liability insurance and legal support from the British Cycling specialist team
40% discount off cycling magazine subscriptions, including Cycling Plus.

[Adam Ef]

CTC membership also has some good benefits. Public liability insurance, legal helpline and access to legal team in case of accidents, plus 10 to 15 percent off a lot of shops. One year I bought a new waterproof in Cotswold Outdoor and the 15% discount more than paid for my membership.

They used to have a Wiggle affiliated discount online shop too but that seems to have disappeared.

[pookie]

if you are a member of a cycling club you can join for free for the first year
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/clubs/membership

[carelesschucca]

I've been thinking about joining a local club, but RCCK's (https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/club/profile/6920/rc_cumbernauld_and_kilsyth) website doesn't inspire me and I don't want to turn up and hold them all up. I suppose there are other clubs in my area that I could take a look at.

Well I'm taking a short day today at work to fit a new chain and get out for a ride.

[pookie]

you're not the only one that finds local clubs less than inspiring. Its worth popping down for a chat and I'm sure they do introductory rides. You are probably more than capable of riding with them but I find the categorisation a bit discriminatory to new members. Plus the pack mentality and riding clobber a bit ott. And its not my colour ;). Still my Chongching express is plenty fast for me :)

I need motivation as much as I need mudguards this time of the year!

[RPM]

BC is worth joining for the insurance and excellent legal help if you get ****ted by a motor.
CTC is a bit fogey-ish and geared towards the more tourer/campaigner type whereas BC is the NGB with over 100,000 members and a genuine force when it comes to influencing government policies.

I've been working in cycling professionally for about 10 years now, 5 of those for BC. Funny thing is I hardly get on my bikes these days and gave up racing pretty much in 2011. When your hobby/passion becomes your work things change.

[Adam Ef]

CTC is a bit SPD sandals I agree.

British Cycling organise loads of family cycling stuff too, that you can go to without being a member. We had a great day out riding around the Castle Combe circuit last summer. Amazing being able to ride that with kids. Great fun.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/3bb0ef7347748bb7ea6286d6e2a566fa/tumblr_ntwmquoQEV1qzq8e5o1_500.jpg

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http://41.media.tumblr.com/e070e87bece1bbb5057fc66483e040e0/tumblr_ntwni4lkFC1qzq8e5o1_500.jpg

[maviczap]

BC is worth joining for the insurance and excellent legal help if you get ****ted by a motor.
CTC is a bit fogey-ish and geared towards the more tourer/campaigner type whereas BC is the NGB with over 100,000 members and a genuine force when it comes to influencing government policies.

I've been working in cycling professionally for about 10 years now, 5 of those for BC. Funny thing is I hardly get on my bikes these days and gave up racing pretty much in 2011. When your hobby/passion becomes your work things change.

Oi less of the old fogey! ;) :D

I've been dithering about which one to join (BC & CTC), both have plus points & my local CTC group is big and friendly, I know a lot of them from my racing days. Having either membership would have been useful for the legal help when I crashed after hitting that pothole 2 years ago. I will be joining one of them.

Yes, it can be daunting to go along to meet your local club, but I would, there's normally someone you'll get along with, who'll ride at you pace. CTC is better for this, as it's more about the social thing.

My local strava group is well organised & they have regular newcomers rides, my mate Ian who does this gets fed up with the ones who raise the pace to much for the new guys. Nothing more demoralising than getting dropped by the group in the first mile!

Go along & try it out & don't be influenced by a web page, most clubs are pretty friendly

[punyXpress]

" Oi less of the old fogey!

I've been dithering about which one to join "

Hoist by his own petard, methinks?

" Yes, it can be daunting to go along to meet your local club, "

Not as daunting as joining GM !

[maviczap]

Compared to most of my ctc mates, im a young whippersnapper :-)

[carelesschucca]

Did someone mention SPD Sandals, now that's an idea ;)

I had been thinking about also joining my localish guru Martin's club but its a 90 minute round trip to get to the starting point and not owning my own car makes in basically impossible.

I still don't think I'm that ready for riding in big groups but I suppose I should really think about doing it if I'm going to do this Sportive in April. I now have a dilemma as I found out today that they've now set up a 50 mile route as well as the original 80 mile version.

[maviczap]

Riding in a group requires a bit of practice and I'm well rusty, and i didn't enjoy it the last sportive i rode. Unfortunately the only way to do it, is ride in a group! Gone are the days when I'd happily scream along in a race, downhill!

[carelesschucca]

I do like downhill bits on my own :)

It was starting to get dark so I felt fine coming down the last steep hill today, I'm starting to know the road on a bicycle. I think I could do it quicker in the dark as I'll be able to see oncoming traffic's lights on the blind corners as lack of vision of cars coming up the way is the main thing slowing me down. I'm looking forward to doing it on the sportive as the road will be closed so that fear is taken away.

[Dipper]

I still don't think I'm that ready for riding in big groups but I suppose I should really think about doing it if I'm going to do this Sportive in April

I do most of my riding in groups as it's such a good motivator. I started a FB cycling group for our local area posted up my rides and people soon started to come along, I've not ridden alone when I haven't wanted to since, perhaps there's a group in your area?

[fizzwheel]

I still don't think I'm that ready for riding in big groups but I suppose I should really think about doing it if I'm going to do this Sportive in April. I now have a dilemma as I found out today that they've now set up a 50 mile route as well as the original 80 mile version.

When you go out with the club / group for the first time, tell them that you arent used to it and ask them to explain / show you what to do / how to behave.

Its not necessary to do group rides for a sportive. I do most of my rides on my own. It is a good motivator and I do push myself harder when I am out with the local club that I go out with.

What you will do is learn to ride in a group properly by going out with the club, which you'll soon find on a sportive there are a hell of alot of riders that don't.

When you do your sportive, set off at the start at your own pace, its really important, dont get caught up at the start of following wheels of riders when you dont know what their fitness level is. I've done it before and gone to fast at the start and I paid for it later on in the ride.

[carelesschucca]

Dunno if it's a gripe or I'm happy. SPORTPURSUIT have just emailed me to refund the £140 for the purchase I made in November stating their supplier can't fulfill the order. Happy because I was probably gonna send it back. ANNOYED because if they'd cancelled earlier I could have bought the Mavic wheelset (plus tyres) I was looking at. They have now sold out.

[TheRamJam]

Dunno if it's a gripe or I'm happy. SPORTPURSUIT have just emailed me to refund the £140 for the purchase I made in November stating their supplier can't fulfill the order. Happy because I was probably gonna send it back. ANNOYED because if they'd cancelled earlier I could have bought the Mavic wheelset (plus tyres) I was looking at. They have now sold out.

Which wheels you looking at Dean?

Am thinking of getting a set of Fulcrum Racing 3 wheels for when the weather improves. They are 1.1kgs lighter than the basic Giant PR2's currently on the bike am also looking at some Sidi shoes to replace my Northwaves :confused:

[carelesschucca]

I had a set of Aksium Elites with tyres for £140, but they're gone now, I don't think there's any point spending too much more for the Triban . I should just lift the money from the credit card and put it away and stay saving for a better summer bike.

I keep looking at the Ribble site I like the fact you can spec their bikes the way you want.

[TheRamJam]

Planet X also do a similar thing. Also look at Canyon bikes, superb value and great spec.

Hopefully my jacket from Sport Pursuit will turn up. They've brought forward the delivery date to 15th now so fingers crossed. Got soaked this morning coming in as it was teaming down.

Although if you're buying wheels with a Shimano hub then they usually will fit other bikes

[MattCollins]

I had a set of Aksium Elites with tyres for £140, but they're gone now, I don't think there's any point spending too much more for the Triban . I should just lift the money from the credit card and put it away and stay saving for a better summer bike.

I keep looking at the Ribble site I like the fact you can spec their bikes the way you want.


Like these?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mavic-aksium-elite-25-wheelset-2015/rp-prod126987?gs=1&gclid=CMXEp-Phl8oCFQolvQod2TIJBA&gclsrc=aw.ds

£143

Saving is probably the better plan.

[carelesschucca]

Like these?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mavic-aksium-elite-25-wheelset-2015/rp-prod126987?gs=1&gclid=CMXEp-Phl8oCFQolvQod2TIJBA&gclsrc=aw.ds

£143

Saving is probably the better plan.

That's the ones, I'd need to get a chainset and a spacer too. Idea was put wider treaded tyres on the wheels I have for the 16 mile canalside commute. Then I can swap wheels to road based for fun times.

But then I'm full of great ideas 95% of which never happen.

[maviczap]

Mavic's should come with the spacer, 10 speed cassettes are the same width as 8 & 9 speed cassettes if I'm correct.

New chainset?

[maviczap]

Planet X also do a similar thing. Also look at Canyon bikes, superb value and great spec.

Cannon are experiencing delays in delivering bikes I've read, probably due to demand because of their keen prices :cool:

[TheRamJam]

I am seriously considering this as my next bike, only issue is I have no way of testing it to see if its comfortable enough to ride

Canyon (https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/aeroad/aeroad-cf-slx-6-0.html)

[maviczap]

Luverly, yes same as buying shoes or clothing online you don't know what it's going to be like until you get on it.

Its a bit more expensive than a pair of shoes!

[TheRamJam]

I might not bother now though :-)

mfEGiYD7ECU

https://youtu.be/mfEGiYD7ECU

[maviczap]

Link no worky

[Dipper]

Very pleased with my Canyon but they still seem to be suffering from long lead times and poor communication... linky (http://road.cc/content/news/174360-canyon-responds-storm-customer-criticism-over-late-orders)

[carelesschucca]

New chainset?
cassett sorry getting over excited again. :-)

I've been away discussing cycle to work with the union rep, my company would only offer it too me me if I changed my contract (not happening)
But I'm sure it came over when we went through TUPE. If it was I think I might get my union to force the issue.

[Adam Ef]

A couple of friends have the Canyon Ultimate CF and really like it. They seem to get on with it fine for longer rides too. They do the Endurace version now too which I'm guessing will be really comfortable with the high headtube.

I'd imagine the Aeroad sacrifices a bit of comfort for performance though.

Best compromise I've found was a customers bike a while ago.. Specialized Roubaix. Very very nice. So comfortable and really agile too. I had to test ride it after servicing it and normally get the test ride done in a couple of minutes. I could have stayed out all afternoon test riding it!

Canyons have a good reputation and as far as I know their size guide is fairly good.

[TheRamJam]

Those of you looking for a cheap turbo trainer then take a look at this. Great value, if you use the SALEJAN offer code you'll get the lot for 95 sheets

Elite trainer (http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/elite-supercrono-mag-force-volare-bundle/rp-prod134952)

[RPM]

I am seriously considering this as my next bike, only issue is I have no way of testing it to see if its comfortable enough to ride

Canyon (https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/aeroad/aeroad-cf-slx-6-0.html)

It's a race bike, how comfortable do you need? 1hr circuit races or epic audaxes?

[Ch00]

Front mudguard fitted not too bad bit faff

Rear mudguard for saved for another day as I need to chop it as it will get mashed when I put it in the bike rack at work and lock it up.

[TheRamJam]

Front mudguard fitted not too bad bit faff

Rear mudguard for saved for another day as I need to chop it as it will get mashed when I put it in the bike rack at work and lock it up.

Did you get the Crud Road Racer Mark II's?

[Ch00]

I went for the set Mav suggested

SKS Bluemels Road Mudguard Set but got them from Wiggle as they were cheaper. Came in a massive box!!

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/sks-bluemels-road-mudguard-set/

[Dipper]

I went for the set Mav suggested

SKS Bluemels Road Mudguard Set but got them from Wiggle as they were cheaper. Came in a massive box!!

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/sks-bluemels-road-mudguard-set/

Proper mudguards are well worth the faff, mine have been on 3 years 12,000 miles with zero maintenance so far...

[carelesschucca]

Full mudguards must be the way to go, I got raceblades which are great at keeping me clean but the frame and crank are taking a pounding.

Oh, just to let you know we're all doing it wrong Gravel Bikes are the future. I was in a bike shop in Glasgow and I was getting the heavy sell on them... :-D

[pookie]

yes .. my personal favourite is cannondale's slate lefty although gravel bikes do seem to be a bit jack of all trades and master of none. I can see a frankenstein gravel bike in the near future :)

[Adam Ef]

I'm keeping an eye out for an old lightweight steel road frame that took 27 x 1 1/4" wheels, which I hope to convert into a cheap commuter "gravel bike" by using 700c wheels with 32c CX tyres. Something cheaper than my road bike which I keep trashing riding the gravel and mud paths on my 20 mile round trip commute.

[carelesschucca]

It is weird, a gravel bike would probably be perfect for my commute to work but I'd rather convert the Triban with wider tyres, and get a better lighter road bike (preferably with disc brakes) for fun rides out.

I really have done this the wrong way round haven't I.

[maviczap]

yes .. my personal favourite is cannondale's slate lefty although gravel bikes do seem to be a bit jack of all trades and master of none. I can see a frankenstein gravel bike in the near future :)

I'm keeping an eye out for an old lightweight steel road frame that took 27 x 1 1/4" wheels, which I hope to convert into a cheap commuter "gravel bike" by using 700c wheels with 32c CX tyres. Something cheaper than my road bike which I keep trashing riding the gravel and mud paths on my 20 mile round trip commute.

It is weird, a gravel bike would probably be perfect for my commute to work but I'd rather convert the Triban with wider tyres, and get a better lighter road bike (preferably with disc brakes) for fun rides out.

I really have done this the wrong way round haven't I.

Did someone say gravel bike? this is my incarnation of Pookie's Frankenstein bike and I invented it before this current rash of fashionable gravel bikes :p :cool:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5728/21949367839_d5c5c06fcb_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/zrAfmx)IMAG0212 (https://flic.kr/p/zrAfmx) by maviczap (https://www.flickr.com/photos/89416312@N07/), on Flickr

Its an MTB frame, with 700c carbon forks, from a Voodoo cross bike. 700c disc wheels, 35mm Schwalbe cross tyres, 46/36 cross chainset. Tiagra shifters, deore rear mech.

The only brand new parts were the wheels, everything else was 2nd hand off Ebay or from my parts bin. The frame I bought years ago, built it up as an MTB, but didn't like it. Think the frame cost £70 new

I could fit wider tyres, there's plenty of clearance.

Its a great ride

[carelesschucca]

Can you give me Pookies address please?

Not that I'm gonna come down and borrow it or anything :)

[punyXpress]

I'm keeping an eye out for an old lightweight steel road frame that took 27 x 1 1/4" wheels, which I hope to convert into a cheap commuter "gravel bike" by using 700c wheels with 32c CX tyres. Something cheaper than my road bike which I keep trashing riding the gravel and mud paths on my 20 mile round trip commute.

?

http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/punyXpress/022.jpg (http://s582.photobucket.com/user/punyXpress/media/022.jpg.html)

?

[Adam Ef]

^ ideally something in Reynolds 531c. Thanks though

[Adam Ef]

Its an MTB frame..
I could fit wider tyres, there's plenty of clearance.


Looks great.

The clearance on the back is enough for wider than 35c too ?

[maviczap]

Yes, although how much i don't know.

I could always stick a mountain bike wheel in, although then it would really look like a Frankenstein bike!

[carelesschucca]

What do you guys think of this (http://www.billybilslandcycles.co.uk/catalog/complete-bikes/sale-bikes/adults-bikes/cannondale-synapse-carbon-105-6-in-51cm-and-58cm)?

I just don't know enough ATM to know if its a decent bike or not.

[fizzwheel]

Thats a decent bike and at the price IMHO thats a lot of bike for the money.

Its not full 105 on the groupset though, the calipers look to be Tiagra, which personally I wouldnt have a problem with, but just thought I would point it out.

Its 10 speed though, IIRC 105 is now up to 11 speed, so thats last years 105, again it wouldnt put me off.

You'll see alot of this at this time of year, where people are discounting last years model bikes to get them out of their shops.

[carelesschucca]

Thanks fizz, hopefully I can get the work to do C2C scheme for me and I might pop back in, I won't be buying a gravel bike though.
Sadly, I also really like the look of this (http://www.billybilslandcycles.co.uk/catalog/complete-bikes/road-bikes/focus-carbon/2015-focus-cayo-30-disc) too and its only £400 more :)

[AJC]

Billy Bilslands is my local, good to see they take the Halfords vouchers as our scheme is through them.

I still find myself looking at second hand bikes, crazy savings to be made on often little used bikes!

[maviczap]

What do you guys think of this (http://www.billybilslandcycles.co.uk/catalog/complete-bikes/sale-bikes/adults-bikes/cannondale-synapse-carbon-105-6-in-51cm-and-58cm)?

I just don't know enough ATM to know if its a decent bike or not.

Thats a decent bike and at the price IMHO thats a lot of bike for the money.

Its not full 105 on the groupset though, the calipers look to be Tiagra, which personally I wouldnt have a problem with, but just thought I would point it out.

Its 10 speed though, IIRC 105 is now up to 11 speed, so thats last years 105, again it wouldnt put me off.

You'll see alot of this at this time of year, where people are discounting last years model bikes to get them out of their shops.

yep Fizz is right, its a great price for a lot of bike. The only thing that puts me off is that the rear wheel can't run an 11speed cassette, as its old school R501, should you want to upgrade to 11speed in the future. Its more expense, and annoys me that Shimano didn't make their old 10 speeed wheels upgradable. If they were Mavic, then the freehubs would take an 11 speed no problem.

Plenty of people upgrading 105 11speed to Ultegra or Sram 11 speed , i dont understand the logic as 105 works like a dream. Stilll makes for cheap upgrades

[carelesschucca]

Hmm, something to think about then, I don't want to regret what I buy.. I really liked the Focus too.

It really is good getting all your opinions on things its a big help.

[maviczap]

Its a cheap rear wheel, which you could use on your Decathlon, IF you decided to upgrade to 11speed in the future, so all is not lost.

And If it were me and I did upgrade that to 11speed, i'd upgrade the Decathlon to 10speed from the Cannondale, so its not such a bad thing to buy it at that price.

The basis of a good bike is the frame, get the best you can afford, then the wheels. Ive always looked at it that way, dont be afraid to recycle (:-)) parts onto another bike, and don't worry about 2nd hand parts, most are barely used. People upgrade for the snob factor

[maviczap]

A good example of someone upgrading from 105, although not so much for snob value in this case

105 5800 sti's for £75, barely used, £109 at Merlin. Which is the biggest cost of upgrading, front (£17) & rear mech (£22) required, plus the cassette (£19) and chain (£11). You don't need to change the chainset, as a 10 speed one will work with 11 speed just fine.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40091&t=13042356&sid=7dd0c45cb3a27db653e2b08ea71fd6fa

[Adam Ef]

Planet X have some of their older version Pro Carbon framed builds going cheap right now...
http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBPXSLP4700/planet-x-pro-carbon-shimano-tiagra-4700-road-bike

It's Tiagra 10 speed which is just trickled down rebadged 105 10 speed. Would save you a load of money to put aside for a future rear wheel and other bits if you go 11 speed sometime.

Maybe not as desirable as some other makes of bikes but their pro carbon frames ride surprisingly well for the money.

[Adam Ef]

Actually rereading the spec on that it's a 10 / 11 speed compatible wheelset. All Tiagra too, not had the chainset substituted for a non-groupset heavyweight one as most do.

I currently ride old 5700 105 10 speed, which is what that Tiagra will be in essence. It's ok. Shifting is definitely crisper on the 11 speed, both 105 and Ultegra, apparently due to improve cable routing. I do find mine feels a bit flexi / spongey on the right hand shifter sometimes but I've got used to it. All the 11 speed stuff I've ever fitted on customers bikes has shifted really positively and worked really well.

[maviczap]

Planet X have some of their older version Pro Carbon framed builds going cheap right now...
http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBPXSLP4700/planet-x-pro-carbon-shimano-tiagra-4700-road-bike

It's Tiagra 10 speed which is just trickled down rebadged 105 10 speed. Would save you a load of money to put aside for a future rear wheel and other bits if you go 11 speed sometime.

Maybe not as desirable as some other makes of bikes but their pro carbon frames ride surprisingly well for the money. yep, that looks good

Actually rereading the spec on that it's a 10 / 11 speed compatible wheelset. All Tiagra too, not had the chainset substituted for a non-groupset heavyweight one as most do.

I currently ride old 5700 105 10 speed, which is what that Tiagra will be in essence. It's ok. Shifting is definitely crisper on the 11 speed, both 105 and Ultegra, apparently due to improve cable routing. I do find mine feels a bit flexi / spongey on the right hand shifter sometimes but I've got used to it. All the 11 speed stuff I've ever fitted on customers bikes has shifted really positively and worked really well.

yep, 5800 shifts better than 5700 I've got both. Even with new cables 5700 isn't as crisp. Ultegra 6700 is as crisp as 5800. Fitting cables on 5700 is very fiddly compared to 5800

[MattCollins]

While looking for some perforated and stitched handlebar tape (essentially custom), something like this in black with bright red and white highlights for the Missus...

http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/busyman-7.jpg
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Image pilfered from one of the links below.

...I ran across this page (http://cyclingtips.com/2013/02/ctech-february-product-picks/) and some nice work down near the bottom that pointed me to Busyman Bicycles (http://busymanbicycles.blogspot.com.au/) and pages and pages (worth a browse) of some very nice work with custom tape and saddles that got the imagination working. I particularly like what he does behind the perforations. For example...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jPs6tY4KpLE/VoI2w-At0qI/AAAAAAAAIj8/hBP9pVYnGcE/s400/IMG_0996.JPG

There's some very clever and creative people out there.

[fizzwheel]

CarelessChucca -

This is the best advice anybody will ever get and its what I always tell people when the ask about upgrade questions.

The basis of a good bike is the frame, get the best you can afford, then the wheels.

Dont srimp on framset and wheels !

[carelesschucca]

AJC has kindly sent me this link (https://www.gumtree.com/p/bicycles/specialized-road-bike-full-ultegra-/1149939327)

I've already sent an email with questions about age and model and cassette size. Let's see what comes back.

I'll be honest I do wonder when people post photos that show bit parts of things.

[pookie]

the groupset look like ultegra 6500 9 speed .. approx 2004

[fizzwheel]

the groupset look like ultegra 6500 9 speed .. approx 2004

In one of the pics it has a picture of the rear cassette, I count 10 sprockets...

[AJC]

I counted 10 on the cassette :p

[carelesschucca]

Good answer Pookie reply came back its a 2004 Allez

[pookie]

o0ps thrown by the brakes.. lets try ultegra 6600 10 sp from 2005 upgraded from 6500 i imagine :)

and its not my bike

[AJC]

Bikepedia seems to show they did them with 105 or Dura-Ace so I guess that one has been upgraded to Ultegra at some point.

[AJC]

Actually, probably nearer this: http://www.bikepedia.com/QuickBike/BikeSpecs.aspx?year=2004&brand=Specialized&model=Allez+Comp+Double

[carelesschucca]

Is it going to be any better than the Triban :(

AJC has set me off on looking gumtree as once again I didn't get out today snow doesn't appeal.

[maviczap]

All a bit of a mixture of Shimano Ultegra parts. But nothing wrong with that. Chainset is 6600SL same as ive got.

Can't see if theres any damage to Sti's or elsewhere, wheels look clean, and importantly are 11speed ready.

It will be a step up from the Triban, not huge, but better. Alu is not as nice to ride like carbon imho, but for £250 its not a lot of money

[r0ddy]

what size frame do you take?

[carelesschucca]

I'm 53cm at a push. I'm already getting grief for even looking at other bikes :-) The gaffer watches TV I trawl the internet looking at motorbikes, bicycles and roads.

[TheRamJam]

I'm 53cm at a push. I'm already getting grief for even looking at other bikes :-) The gaffer watches TV I trawl the internet looking at motorbikes, bicycles and roads.

Bargain bike of the year Dean ;)

B'Twin (http://road.cc/content/review/156193-btwin-triban-520)

[carelesschucca]

Spend the extra get the 105 version Colin :)

[fizzwheel]

Garmin Varia turned up today. Tried it out tonight.

Its a great bit of kit. It picks up the cars whilst they are out of earshot / before I see the lights in my helmet mirror.

The display where it shows the car approaching also gives an idea of how fast its going as well. But whats best is that it gives a representation of how many cars there are behind you. Which is really useful, especially at night.

[maviczap]

What's the next upgrade Fizz, a Garmin forcefield or photon torpedoes :-)

I'd like the torpedos front and rear

[Dipper]

I'd like the torpedos front and rear

Lightweight carbon heatseakers would even things up a bit. If all bikes had them the days of close passes and impatient drivers would be over ...shame they're illegal :rolleyes:

[Adam Ef]

You need the Bond Bike..
https://www.eta.co.uk/2010/09/29/bond-bicycle-boasts-ejector-seat-and-flame-thrower/

[maviczap]

Free SIS gels. Be quick

http://www.scienceinsport.com/sis-products/team-sky-free-gels/claim-your-gels/

[Ch00]

Free SIS gels. Be quick

http://www.scienceinsport.com/sis-products/team-sky-free-gels/claim-your-gels/

Done. Cheers Mav :thumright:

[carelesschucca]

Also applied thanks :)

[carelesschucca]

Sitting in the house bored watching the snow fall and I've spotted a Giant TCR Advanced (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Giant-TCR-Advanved-2016-Rennrad-Carbon-Roadbike-/151946664230?var=&hash=item2360ba1926:m:mdgdkgyxpchb7j0TGRaED-Q) with a big raft of upgrades. I won't be buying it but there's something a little appealing about it. Not sure about the luminous colours though.

[MattCollins]

Well, it's on again (http://tourdownunder.com.au/) and the whole city has gone mad. I'm just not into it so it was a very early start on my own this morning and a 70km route (https://goo.gl/maps/6FwhCVX7rZs) to miss the worst of it.

[TheRamJam]

So I had a £15 voucher to spend with Wiggle. They also had a sale on. So one thing lead to another and I bought these :-)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/cmcfa2/Sidi.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/cmcfa2/media/Sidi.jpg.html)

[carelesschucca]

You'll no be missed in those bad boys.. You better keep spending the now 17th April it'll all stop ;-)

I must be mental, I've taken a half day to get out on the road. Better take it easy there's still patches of snow lying in the fields and the hills are white.

[TheRamJam]

You'll no be missed in those bad boys.. You better keep spending the now 17th April it'll all stop ;-)

I must be mental, I've taken a half day to get out on the road. Better take it easy there's still patches of snow lying in the fields and the hills are white.

Yeah its crazy commuting at the moment, nearly everyday people are pulling out on me at junctions. Despite lights both front and rear and reflective tape on my mudguards and helmet.

Yesterday was a bit slippy, today not so bad but still taking it easy as its difficult to see whats what in the dark, whether thats ice or just water.

Just the wheels to get now Dean, then I can stop spending money.

[maviczap]

Love my Sidi Genius carbon shoes

Sadly either my weird peddling stance on my left leg or the position of the cleat bolt holes means i keep clipping the crank with the end of the top strap. Its infuriating, as no matter how i change the cleat i can't get enough clearance.

i dont have the same issue with my Diadoras or my old Adidas shoes :-(

Just bought some Shimano shoes, which have a different strap, otherwise I'm going to get some with the Boa lacing system.

[TheRamJam]

Love my Sidi Genius carbon shoes

Sadly either my weird peddling stance on my left leg or the position of the cleat bolt holes means i keep clipping the crank with the end of the top strap. Its infuriating, as no matter how i change the cleat i can't get enough clearance.

i dont have the same issue with my Diadoras or my old Adidas shoes :-(

Just bought some Shimano shoes, which have a different strap, otherwise I'm going to get some with the Boa lacing system.

I like how nearly everything on the Sidi's is a replaceable. I've got 2 pairs of Sidi motorcycle boots that were very comfortable and performed brilliantly. I am pretty sure these will fit the bill nicely. The Techno 3 lacing system is a treat to use as it the same closure system on my Mag 1 boots.

My old Northwaves are only 9 months old but the non replaceable heel pad has nearly wore away, and isn't replaceable. Some slight accident damage on them from the crash, resulted in the fabric tearing. They are also a mesh construction and don't really keep my feet warm. The vents on the soles also let water in.