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johnnyrod
26-04-17, 07:03 PM
The shutter speeds could be a bit slow yoko, but really with film these days and the corrections they make, it takes some doing to really overexpose. Can you see blown-out highlights, or is it all just a bit too pale?
I think you can get a couple of stops either way to play with. Can't grumble for the price.
yokohama
26-04-17, 07:26 PM
The shutter speeds could be a bit slow yoko, but really with film these days and the corrections they make, it takes some doing to really overexpose. Can you see blown-out highlights, or is it all just a bit too pale?
A bit of both really. Some shots are OK but others are either a bit paler than I'd like or have highlights too bright. It's probably user error and dealing with high contrast as much as anything.
Post some up?
Oh yeah, the 50mm Pancake lens arrived:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2856/33904449270_1b445de60d_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TE2ayb)
yokohama
27-04-17, 06:08 PM
Little lens looks quite neat on that.
My battered 35RC went for £46.
Its a lot smaller than the standard 50mm. Not sure whether to get a body for it or not. That is a decent price. I think prices in general are crazy at the moment.
Finally got some batteries for the EOS 300. Glad to say that so far it works fine. Its strange to have an autofocus film camera though. The AF is snappy and the camera responds quickly. The camera spools out the whole film and then rewinds into the canister when you take a shot. That way, if you open it by mistake then you only ruin the unused film and not what you have already shot. I think I saw an EOS 700 listed as faulty as the seller didn't realise that the camera would spool out all of the film.
johnnyrod
28-04-17, 05:46 PM
Clever! Pancake looks good too. Yoko you good a good price on the Olympus. Kenzie did you say you saw another Electro Set on ebay recently? They're like hen's teeth, though maybe less so in Japan.
I did but I had my bid cancelled. It was listed as vintage olympus. Annoyed to say the least. Just down at Felixstowe while my wife is at a meal. Got a T50 with 28mm and a Cosmic Symbol with me but I am losing the light.
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johnnyrod
28-04-17, 07:36 PM
This one?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232303943183
don't worry it's not the same. That one has a D. Zuiko f2.8 lens and looks a bit beaten up, I'm guessing it's shutter priority by the massively long shutter release. Mine has a G. Zuiko f1.8 lens and looks a little different, but not so much I guess, and is all manual, also a little wider I think.
Yeah thats the one. Guess it wasn't a bad thing it was cancelled then. Car boot tomorrow I think. I've chewed nearly a full roll through the T50 already.
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johnnyrod
28-04-17, 08:02 PM
Well I got around to loading my Super A, better think about using it! Am gonna have some more goes with fill flash. It purports to have some TTL flash options but really it's just using the camera's meter instead of the flash's thyristor so fill will have to be worked out manually as far as I can tell. One of the guys on the Pentax forum gave me a detailed explanation but it cooked my noodle. Am knackered tonight but I think tomorrow it'll be... PERKEO TIME. Am also wanting to get to the Ensign, and also the Contessamatic but I have something with film in it now so that can wait for the other two. Kenzie are you definitely getting some C41 stuff?
Wooo... Would be great to be able to take it on holiday at the end of May. I will get a C41 kit as I keep finding films in cameras I would rather dev them as colour rather than black and white. Did you find out what film was in there? This is quite interesting https://youtu.be/_GCwlGZNd3I
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johnnyrod
28-04-17, 08:19 PM
Looks like you were looking at an Auto Eye:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OLYMPUS-AUTO-EYE-2-with-D-Zuiko-4-3cm-F2-5-Lens-Film-Camera-/182326570873
But while trawling I found these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Olympus-Quickmatic-600-126-Film-Camera-Kamera-Vtg-38mm-f2-8-Cartridge-/292096783923
So maybe there was a good 126 camera! Also a Zeiss 126 somewhere I think, maybe even a Contafelx 126. Anyway also this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3x-Vintage-Cameras-Pentax-Olympus-Kodak-Brownie-Reflex-Spares-/162491642169
Postage might put people off but it's not so far from you Kenzie
Will keep an eye on those. There is a 126 Ikomatic I have been watching from Germany. Also been watching this 262946670398
Edit: popped a bid on the bundle with the me f.
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Not much at the boot sale, picked up an Ilford Sportman for a quid (jammed shutter) and a Kodak Brownie Reflex 127 with case. Bought it mostly for the case and spool. Have stripped down the Sportman and freed off the shutter, just letting the ligjt fluid dry off and will reassemble.
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Littlepeahead
29-04-17, 11:16 AM
Hello, I'm dumping some of Dad's stuff. If anyone wants any of this lot then let me know. Don't want anything for it other than the cost of postage. Pics coming up.
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Littlepeahead
29-04-17, 11:17 AM
Olympus OM101https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170429/71c48a5a1034838b8758c16da0feb630.jpg
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Littlepeahead
29-04-17, 11:26 AM
And a coupe more bitshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170429/b1ec040251e05d56d37256ff5831093c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170429/71ab0f1c3243949619a0a5f32cf09ddf.jpg
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If no one else wants it then I will take the om101. I think yoko is after a light meter
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Littlepeahead
29-04-17, 11:29 AM
This needs a clean
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yokohama
29-04-17, 12:41 PM
I'm definitely interested in the light meter - and the little T18 flash, unless anyone else wants it.
Is the Hoya for an OM mount?
Hey Yoko, I picked up a Super Paragon 28mm f2.8 in C/Y fit if you are interested? I have the Hanimex 28mm so don't really need it. Was only £2 but can send it up? You will never guess what wants to live... The Canon A1 you sent me. I picked up an AE-1 at the same time as the lens (£2 each) and I was playing around with it. I manually cranked the film winder on each of them and now they both work. AE-1 is missing its bottom plate though, and also fails to fire every third shot. Misplaced the winder for the A1 so will put it back together when I find it. Johnny, how has your day of tinkering been?
yokohama
29-04-17, 06:56 PM
I'm impressed that you've got that Canon breathing again. Conversely, I put some batteries in the Minolta XG-M but the LEDs aren't coming on. Need to have a good look at it later. I know you had it working so there must be a little something out of sync somewhere. I see what you mean about the film speed dial too.
Funny you should mention the Super Paragon, I missed out on one of those on Ebay a couple of weeks ago although it was for M42. I don't have a wide angle prime for C/Y so if you don't want it, I'd love it.
Will pop it in the post. I had no idea what the mount was but for £2 who can complain. It came from a re-use shop at the local dump amazingly enough. The XG-M did light up and fire so not sure what has happened there. The A1 has bad Canon cough but seems to work.
yokohama
29-04-17, 07:19 PM
Great, thanks. I can try the lens out as there's a film in the FX3.
XG-M is probably just a contact or something. I'll have a look when I take the top plate off and try to free up the ISO dial.
Re use shop at the dump is a new one on me. I did a tour of the charity shops in town today but nothing doing.
I went there a while back and there was a developing tank but they wanted too much for it. Was passing today so popped in.
johnnyrod
29-04-17, 09:37 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Job-lot-of-instamatic-type-cameras-126-110-approximately-10-off-plus-a-couple-o-/292097622198
Kenzie never mind the cameras, the bundle has 2x 126 films
Thanks Johnny, have popped a bid on. Going to go for a walk on the coast today, got some films I need to finish. Should be a nice day for it. Picked up a fully functional Voigtlander Vitomatic II for a great price while out and about. Its another of those that needs film in to work so people think it is faulty. A lot heavier than the Vito B but comes with meter, coupled rangefinder and f2.8 50mm Color Skopar lens.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2880/34320681656_7712b1ea24_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UhNsWC)
I very quickly finished off the roll in the Kodak 126 today, and have developed the film. I have images! Just waiting for them to dry now.
yokohama
30-04-17, 06:09 PM
50% success with the XG-M today. took the shutter button assembly apart and attacked it with meths. Also completely dismantled the film speed dial, cleaned and reassembled, which took me ages to get right. We now have LEDs responding to different light levels, :) but I can't get it to fire. :(. Next project for a rainy day.
johnnyrod
30-04-17, 06:10 PM
I've got one of those, lent it to a friend at least a year ago, wonder if he finished using it yet! Mine looked like it had been exhumed form the scene of Alien though, but was all fine. They certainly are heavy. No case for mine, and the tripod socket being off to one side means you'd need the right case to fit. The little strap studs on the front are useless as well.
Mine came with a case thankfully. Managed to finish the film in the VF135 (great camera by the way, if you see one then get it!) and the Lomo La Sardina. Did you play with the Perkeo in the end?
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Any good to you Johnny? 182553494941
johnnyrod
30-04-17, 09:17 PM
Interesting but not sure I can be bothered if the meter's busted. Thanks though. Are those the 126 pics?
Yep got the Perkeo in bits now. Someone's been in there already so it's pretty clean, the escapement was sticking on the slow speeds (when it's using the pallet, which wasn't free enough) so I've cleaned it a bit more and the oil is soaking into the pivots overnight - it runs fine when wet, and a load of black bits came out. All the glass etc. is good, nothing to do there but give it a wipe of as it goes back together. The shutter ring (I think) seems to be sticking though, there is a nasty sliding feeling as it operates, and without the escapement it can hang open when you let it fire slowly. There's a lever by the self timer that looked bent, I straightened it a little but not sure it's made any odds, though you could see silver particles where it had been rubbing on the self timer, so shouldn't hurt. I think it can get bent (so to speak) if the shutter is forced when jammed, but it was bent a long way out. I'd cleaned the shutter leaves but think I need to go in there again and take another look at the shutter ring. It should snap back and forth so will investigate another day.
Yes they are, got colour film in the Agfamatic. I can't remember if I did anything with the Perkeo to be honest. Hope you can revive it.
johnnyrod
30-04-17, 09:39 PM
It works but when I was first trying it out, it was a bit hit or miss if it would hang open sometimes. Hopefully won' be too hard to find the cause, I've narrowed it down anyway.
Littlepeahead
01-05-17, 07:29 AM
If no one else wants it then I will take the om101. I think yoko is after a light meter
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Can you pm me bits you want and an address. I'll work out postage.
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Johnny, are the shutter and aperture ring supposed to be locked together on the Vitomatic? Struggling to wrap my head around its operation. I can see that the ring needs to he turned to match the meter needle, and I guess you then turn the other ring to suit either aperture for dof or shutter speed as they are matched to give proper exposure?
johnnyrod
01-05-17, 05:11 PM
Yep that's right. You can of course just ignore it and set it manually as well.
Seems so straightforward now.
johnnyrod
01-05-17, 07:10 PM
Been watching a Pentax K2 no. 361963597114 but not going to bid on it. A couple of days left I think, SP of a tenner and no bids so far. It's seen some use but a decent enough lens on it as well and they're pretty reliable things. If someone is after a good SLR then I'd say put a bid on it. These were the top of the line and really only bettered by the LX, which is like saying a Lambo is better than a Porsche.
Thanks for the heads up, tempted but really need to ease off now as I have five crates of cameras now!
yokohama
01-05-17, 07:49 PM
28mm lens on that Pentax too. Will keep an eye on it. But those low starting prices can be dangerous. As a result of one, a Yashica Minister will be arriving later this week.
Managed to get out on the SV this afternoon.
Which Minister did you get? I have a Minister D somewhere. Meter takes a PX625 battery but its only used to aid setting.
johnnyrod
01-05-17, 08:12 PM
If it's any help the bodies of the K2s go for about £50 ish and the lens seems to be good for £40 or so, maybe more.
Fixed my SV too! Clean carbs and the rrrrhumbaaaa has been restored.
yokohama
01-05-17, 08:28 PM
All my SV needs now Johnny is a good clean. It's looking really grimy.
Kenzie, it's a Minister iii, supposed fully working and doesn't need a battery.
johnnyrod
02-05-17, 09:07 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192172684351
Zeiss Contessa viewfinder camera with Tessar, fiver and no bids
Hey Yokohama, I posted off the lens today. Went first class so hopefully it will land with you tomorrow.
yokohama
03-05-17, 07:22 PM
Brill. Thanks Kenzie. Not going into work tomorrow so I'll be in when it arrives. Maybe the Yashica Minister will turn up too.
It will be like Christmas! Going to visit here while away at the end of the month: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/corfe-castle
yokohama
03-05-17, 07:35 PM
That looks an interesting place. Nice defensive position.
I've got a bid in on a Rikenon 50mm f2. Reputedly a very sharp lens. Still in single figures but a day to go yet.
Just checked my KR-5 but it only has an f2.8 Riconar on it. Nothing fancy, butat least its a PK fit. Got a bid in on a Konica S II, fingers crossed.
Littlepeahead
04-05-17, 06:25 AM
I'll post off the requested bits either tomorrow or Monday.
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johnnyrod
04-05-17, 07:50 AM
Got my pix back from the folding Contessa. All looks good, frame spacing is a bit variable (the frame counter was also missing a few) so some of the prints are randomly cropped, need to be scanned again. Will post a few.
Did you manage to get the XG-M working Yoko?
yokohama
04-05-17, 07:02 PM
Not yet. It won't fire, which is weird. The LEDs are fine and the shutter mechanics are good. (it works if I take the bottom plate off and touch the release) The bottom capacitor looks OK and there's no corrosion. But it's something electrical somewhere causing the problem.
I gave up on the Rikenon when bids reached double figures.
The Yashica minister arrived too. It's in good condition and the selenium meter is workind.
Maybe it has something to do with the battery chamber. It worked ok here so I am confused.
I'll post off the requested bits either tomorrow or Monday.
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Cool LPH. Let me know how to send you the postage cost.
yokohama
04-05-17, 07:31 PM
Yeah, me too, unless Royal Mail gave it a good shake up. I looked at the battery chamber and the wiring underneath is ok. One thought I did have, when you tested it, did you use a battery cover from your other XG?
I'm using an X series one. It looks the same in the manual but I'm wondering if it's slightly different.
No, I used the original one that is now on the X700. I can always send it up and nick one off another camera.
yokohama
04-05-17, 07:57 PM
No, don't worry. If it fits and works on the X700, it must be the same. You keep it
I can try a few different battery holders of mine. Maybe the XD5, it's older.
I'll keep playing with it. It wants to work and I'm sure I'll get it going eventually.
Saw a listing for an XD5 and it was buy it now £199. Nice kit but proper expensive.
yokohama
04-05-17, 08:27 PM
That's bonkers. Mine was less than £30 just under a year ago.
I think people have picked up on the fact there's a resurgence in film and are putting up prices or setting a crazy price without really knowing what they are selling.
XDs are nice though and have a lovely smooth, quiet Seiko metal shutter. If you see one at the boot sales, snap it up.
I can't find it now. It had a case with lenses and stuff. I would love one of these
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but I would be worried about carrying it around.
Ever see one of these?
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When I picked up the Zenit EM they said they were going around £25 on ebay. Glad I got mine when I did!
johnnyrod
04-05-17, 08:46 PM
Is the meter an add-on? Looks like some of the early Pentax SLRs without meters, you could get one that sat on the top
Add on pentaprism? Been screaming at the Perkeo Johnny?
johnnyrod
04-05-17, 09:22 PM
Yep or an add-on meter that sits on top of it. Some old SLRs have the option of a waist-level finder instead of pentaprism.
Not touched the Perkeo for a while, this evening I was driving around with a pool table and a football table in the back of my truck. I should get back to it tomorrow; need to figure out why the shutter ring isn't moving easily, it's all fine otherwise. It might even work as is, if it moves quickly past the difficult point then it may not hang up, but I'd rather it didn't have any problems to try to work around.
I've had a whole bunch of long messages through Flickr from a guy who I think is in Barcelona, he's go a Perkeo II with Compur Rapid shutter and he's trying to overhaul it, I think he may have more screwdrivers than nous though.
yokohama
05-05-17, 04:38 AM
Some camera that Minolta. Plenty of info here.
https://www.casualphotophile.com/2016/08/14/minolta-xk-camera-review/
Interchangeable viewfinder prisms and a nice ev compensation lever. Not many of those around.
Not a temptation then Yoko? 142372564651
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yokohama
05-05-17, 06:49 AM
Not that one. A bit too much plastic on it.
johnnyrod
05-05-17, 08:35 PM
Put the Perkeo shutter back together
www.instagram.com/p/BTuT6Y_F1Us/?taken-by=john.rodriguez.568294
it still feels like there's a hump it needs to get over when closing, but it doesn't seem to affect the operation. That and one of the screws for the shutter casing I had in half the other day is now solid, solid as a rock, so I thought I'd chance my arm and all seems fine. Will check the speeds but I think with these you get no adjustment anyway. After that just a case of putting it back together.
What speed was that set on? I tend not to use anything below 1/100 anyway. I won the Durst Automatica by the way. Was looking the photos and I am hoping that the dead meter is just the fact that the ISO speed is set to six. I don't know about your libraries up there but down here we can get free magazines to download. Amateur Photographer is on there as well as Digital Camera magazine.
johnnyrod
06-05-17, 02:59 PM
1/5th I think. The speeds came out as:
1s was actually 0.85s (1/1.2)
1/2 was 1/2.2
1/5 was 1/3.6
1/10 was 1/7.8
1/25 was 1/23
1/50 was 1/37
1/100 was 1/62
1/300 was 1/220
So all a bit slow but more or less as you would expect. The lumpiness may be a part of it but it fires reliably on all speeds, an sounds nice. I'll finish it off tonight and get it in the post, I'm away next week in Wolverhampton again so wanted to wrap it up.
The Durst is an interesting camera, if it had a case then there's a good chance the cell is fine, and I think the Radionar lens should work well. The automation is pneumatic so check for perished tubing inside.
Thats great news Johnny, the shots I took with HP5 came out ok so should be ok. Apparently the lower speeds are slow... but again, I rarely use them so it shouldn't be an issue. The camera can be used in manual mode anyway. Just deciding what cameras to take away at the end of the month. Trip 35 is a must. Want to visit here too: https://www.visit-dorset.com/things-to-do/the-blue-pool-p127283 as it just around the corner from Corfe Castle. There is a heritage railway at Swannage too.
johnnyrod
06-05-17, 06:24 PM
Grr double exposure lock is playing up, will see to that, maybe I've crossed it up somehow but apparently it happens from time to time. Will get there soon! I can put in the flash and the 120 film from my Ensign (the one that was in it), have you got C41 stuff yet?
No not yet, keep meaning to order it. Flash?
johnnyrod
06-05-17, 06:48 PM
Takes bulbs, it came with the Ensign, you said you wanted it. I also eventually downloaded the manual for the little Olympus one you sent (butkus), they thyristor is hidden behind the logo on the front, so yes it is auto; I think the prongs are for a multi-flash set-up or something. Not tried it yet though.
Ah yes, I had forgotten. Hopefully it will work, it did when I bought it.
yokohama
06-05-17, 07:11 PM
Discovery of the day - tried the XD5 battery holder in the XG-M and it lives again! :)
Cool. Another for the shooting list! What was wrong with the iso dial?
yokohama
06-05-17, 07:42 PM
ISO dial was all furred up inside basically and wouldn't move. Oxidisation of a metal ring in there I think. Also, a tab that goes through all the bits to align them had broken off, which made it a nightmare to put back together properly.
Anyway, good that it's working now and joining the queue for a film test.
On a different subject, plenty of heritage railways up this way if you like that sort of thing. At least 4 within an hour of York plus the wonderful Settle-Carlisle.
Strange that, the shutter release was furred up as well. That was the easy bit to fix. I quite like my xg-m. Will take my short tamron on holiday I think. I try to stick to a no violence approach to cameras, if it doesn't move but should then don't force it!
johnnyrod
06-05-17, 08:56 PM
So, some good news/bad news with the Perkeo. I just need to collimate it and it's done, and there's nothing wrong with the double exposure lock. I found a couple of loose screws in the struts/shutter release linkage which weren't helping. Bad news is there is a spring missing from the struts, and it's a problem.
https://flic.kr/s/aHskUxiANi
Hard to see but near the hinge of the main door there is a single screw top and bottom which are mounts for the springs that pop the door open. The top one has lost said spring. This means that the door won't stay fully open without being held, which means the front standard (plate that holds the lens/shutter) won't be parallel to the film plane unless you hold it fully open yourself. Also if it sags closed a bit, there is a tendency for the shutter release linkage to stick enough to prevent the shutter from closing sometimes. This is really the one blot, maybe you can figure out how to get another spring in there, I don't know, or just hold it open against the stops when you are shooting. I'll collimate it tomorrow and get it off to you.
I think this may have been missing anyway. I remember having to pull the door down when first opening it. No idea what sort of spring to use, will check the Bessa or another folder.
johnnyrod
06-05-17, 09:05 PM
It's a coiled one, you'll be able to see from the bottom pin. Anything that will push the door open will do, or maybe fashion something to jam into the hinge when it's open to keep it rigid. TBH if it's a pain you'll get good money for it, the name is a magnet on ebay.
johnnyrod
06-05-17, 09:46 PM
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f1.4 50mm Olympus OM lens
Good spot. Will keep an eye on it. I have a Bessa 66 that I might be able to salvage a spring off. They have a very similar body design. If the spring was missing previously then I didn't notice and the shots came out ok. Got a 10k run to do today.
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Dug out all my old camera gear. Thought you might like a look.
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Nice collection, I quite like the look of the Instamatic 300. I also have a Fuji Instax Mini 10, bought it as I wanted to try instant film but not shell out £18 for eight shots of Impossible SX70 film.
Nice collection, I quite like the look of the Instamatic 300. I also have a Fuji Instax Mini 10, bought it as I wanted to try instant film but not shell out £18 for eight shots of Impossible SX70 film.
A lot of the older cameras were given to me many years ago. The trip belonged to my father, so a sentimental attachment to that one.
Have you shot with them lately?
No. I don't bother with film cameras. Not enough creative control.
Not on the point and shoot but certainly with the slr models.
I last used the eos10 10 years ago and had the negs scanned to DVD which was a half way house until i got my first digital camera.
johnnyrod
07-05-17, 06:24 PM
Kenzie
www.gumtree.com/p/non-digital-cameras/a-selection-of-used-but-good-working-condition-canon-35mm-slr-cameras/1238169357
includes more than ten films
Nice bundle but way out of my price range. Do you think you will use them again Admin?
I may well do. The advert is tempting as i would like an Eos 650 for sentimental reasons.
Did you have one before? Anyone got any shots to post up?
johnnyrod
07-05-17, 08:41 PM
Kenzie the Perkeo is in tomorrow's post, along with the flash and the film that was in my Ensign, wrapped in tinfoil. The missing spring doesn't exactly keep the lens door open by itself - the top silver arm slides a bit at that point, and when it slides fully towards the hinge (to the right as you're looking through the VF), that is what locks the lens door fully open. You can simulate this by squeezing the lever and door and it'll poop into place. It will stay there for a bit, as long as you're finished fiddling with the shutter/lens. I've collimated it at 5ft in this fully-open position. Cable release was working fine once the loose screws form yesterday had been seen to, and it doesn't trip the double exposure lock.
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