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The Fujifil GA645ZI is worth something, just had a look on ebay at sold listings and the range from £300-£500. The Trip 35 is around £20. I might be interested in the film. The Handycam and the disc camera wont be worth much. Not sure about the others. The XD7 kit varies a lot in price so hard to give an accurate estimate, depends on how much someone is willing to pay but average £50+ as a kit. Johnny/Yoko?
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johnnyrod
19-07-17, 08:55 AM
That's quite a haul Craig, you do well to ask! I'll pore over it later but as Kenzie says, the Fuji alone is worth a pretty penny. The best course of action, if you want to make the most money, is to identify the various cameras you have (we can help of course), then figure out if they work. There are loads of manual for free on t'internet. Some will need batteries, some won't, some have quirks where they only work with film in them - the winding lever pulls the film, the film pulls on other bits, then it works. Selling them one by one on ebay is the way to go, and the more you can put in an ad the better; does it work, or what can you say about that? Is it clean? Any fungus on the lenses? What else does it come with? There are loads of ads for all sorts of cameras, even good ones, that have little or no detail and rubbish photos, and either they go for peanuts or, like the Fuji, it's too expensive a gamble to buy a pig in a poke so they don't sell; it's all about giving the buyer a bit of confidence.
Actually, that Trip looks like a silver button version, might fetch a little more if working.
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johnnyrod
19-07-17, 12:15 PM
Pic 1 the Braun is a Super Paxette IIB like this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAUN-Super-Paxette-II-BL-35mm-Film-camera-With-Staeble-Werk-F2-8-50mm-Lens-/272750860987
so if working then around £25. If you have any spare lenses they are LTM (M39) Leica thread which fits a number of older cameras so would be worth selling separately. Check if the light meter works - the needle on the top plate. Point the camera into the light, and cover/uncover the clear plastic grid on the front, the needle should swing back and forth.
Halina disc - bung it on at 99p and let ebay do the rest!
Olympus Trip - these are very hip just now and if it's a working silver button one then £35-40
Sony - no idea, I wouldn't have said much but a quick look on ebay says if it's working and with leads etc. then worth a punt - check which model etc.
Fuji GA645Zi like this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Exc-Fujifilm-GA645Zi-Pro-Medium-Format-Rangefinder-Film-From-JAPAN-49-/162585285366
LOTS of money. This is the one to concentrate on in terms of is it working, condition, and what it comes with. Loads have been sold, one ebay listing got 40 bids.
Minolta - I am guessing the spare lenses are also for that - Kenzie or Yoko know a lot more about those.
Light meter (Sekonic), a fiver or more if it works - there is probably a flap on the end to pop open. May or may not take batteries - the older ones didn't.
Tripods etc - people will buy them, just a case of pricing. The film is also worth selling - people wilm buy out of date film, mainly in lots I think rather than individually because of the postage cost. The Ilford ones will sell fine on their own, and the Tri-X certainly will (this is like Ohlins to some people). They all look good to be honest, and a bit of legwork on ebay could actually net you a few quid just in film, especially 120/medium format.
The alien probe at the end is an enlarger.
With regard to testing the cameras, get a manual and have a go. For example the Paxette should be simple to use. Check the rangefinder spot is distinct (when you look through the viewfinder you'll see an extra spot in the centre with a second image in it) - simply cleaning the viewfinder glass works wonders. Wind it on and try the shutter at different settings, it should sound different between say 1/500 and 1/100 and again to 1/30. Do try rewinding any of these before you try testing them, old cameras often have films still in them - I had one from about 1950 once! To check the lenses for fungus and dirt, use the flashlight test:
www.kenrockwell.com/tech/flashlight-test.htm
but as he says, you will always see some dust.
Short of film testing that's about all you can do but anything you can say that is good or working will help. Read a few ads, you'll see they say things like that the shutter sounds good at different speeds but hasn't been tested for accuracy, or meter works but not checked for accuracy etc. TBH you can download Pocket Light Meter for nothing and check the meters! Anyway a lot of cameras had different versions so try to pin down the right one as again people will search for specific things, and these people aren't the cheapskates like us who happily trawl ads that say "old camera" looking for something interesting!
thanks a lot for the input guys, I am going over at the weekend to sort through everything proper, there are quite a lot of boxes etc for the stuff, so will see about getting everything back into its original packaging where applicable, and testing it out.
Any good Johnny? 272762576911
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yokohama
19-07-17, 05:08 PM
Craig, just to echo what the others have said, check everything to make sure it works and try to clean the cameras and lenses up for any photographs. Ebay is quite buyer protective these days so even if you put 'no returns', buyers can still return items if they are sold as 'used' but don't work properly. 'Used' implies not new, but fully functioning - unless of course you highlight any issues in your description.
Re the Minolta, the XD7 is a sought after camera and perceived as one of Minolta's best. I'd sell the winder separately and go for a starting B.I.N price of £75 for the body if it's working correctly, see if anyone bites.
Do your research on the lenses too. Nothing worse than an ad saying 'camera lense' accompanied by an out of focus photo. Buyers want to know make model, focal (zoom) length, aperture range, mount (what camera it fits) etc. Take plenty of pics, including the lens from both ends.
I'm guessing yours are Minolta mounts. I'm not sure what your lenses are but one looks like a Minolta. Minolta glass has a good rep so you should get a better price for this one. HTH
yokohama
19-07-17, 05:10 PM
Kenzie, did your new toys arrive?
yokohama
19-07-17, 05:21 PM
And another Rocky sale - 40% off everything.
Yes they did! X500 works ok and just needs a good clean. The ME Super is a little squiffy as the shutter is out of sync with the winder so it needs resetting somehow. The other slr was a Minolta St100 x but it is currently locked up. I also got some Olympus aps camera as well.
yokohama
19-07-17, 07:07 PM
That's good news. X500 is nice.
ST100 might unlock when it's got a battery in. my 101 has a mirror lock up function - check this hasn't been enabled
johnnyrod
19-07-17, 07:24 PM
Picked up the K1000 and a whole bag of stuff. It works fine, will check the shutter timing but even 1 second is fine. It'll pay for my Mamiya, which has left Tokyo now. In there was also a Kodak film, expired August 1999! Re the RF Kenzie - there are a few bids on it, the one I have will do though, just needs fiddling with, thanks though.
Don't think I have a battery to go with the srt. Cleaned up the X500, just need a lens for it now. I did have a look at Rocky but nothing catching my eye. Got a new lamp for the projector but no joy. There doesn't seem to be any power getting to the lamp. Going to try some contact cleaner.
Yoko? http://www.rockycameras.com/-----14--great-bokeh---50mm-14-minolta-md-rokkor-fast-standard-lens-4999-80197-p.asp
Edit, it sold really quickly, sorry!
yokohama
21-07-17, 07:33 AM
Thanks for spotting that Kenzie - It wasn't me who bought it. I think it was long gone by the time I got home. A good price with the discount applied so not surprised it went.
There is a 24mm Minolta lens on there as well. I was looking for a lens for the X500.
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johnnyrod
21-07-17, 10:19 AM
Kenzie
https://www.gumtree.com/p/non-digital-cameras/pentax-auto-110/1256080518
Thanks Johnny but I already have two of those.
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johnnyrod
21-07-17, 05:21 PM
https://www.gumtree.com/p/non-digital-cameras/zeiss-ikonta-m-folding-uncoupled-rangefinder-1950-s-camera/1256149757
Hertfordshire but if someone is close by, this is indeed a bargain. He's right in that they go for over £100, shame I can't figure out a way of picking it up!
Damn, I wish I were close enough. Going to London tomorrow but not that part. Will he not post even if you throw him £20 or arrange a collection? The Auto 110 is a tenner now, the ad mentions two lenses, have sent an email to see what the have with it.
johnnyrod
21-07-17, 06:36 PM
It specifically says collection but I could ask.
johnnyrod
21-07-17, 08:58 PM
Will give it the weekend then do so. I've got a few other things on anyway. Pity it didn't come up before I got the Ensign!
Going to pick up the Auto 110 tomorrow after the car boot sale.
Never seen one of these before: 182674860177
yokohama
22-07-17, 07:28 PM
Has the 110 got lenses you're after?
The cyclops camera has novelty value for sure but that's some price.
Not sure, it seems to have a lens hood. Might have to switch over to black ans white 110 as I have as yet to find a cost effective processor for it.
yokohama
22-07-17, 08:05 PM
Lynx 1000 worth a punt?
There's one for sale locally at £25. Not a bargain but reasonable price if it's working.
Worth a look I think, they seem to go for around £25 upwards. Always worth a haggle though. Not sure about the lifespan of the built in meter but can be used manually.
yokohama
22-07-17, 08:31 PM
Thanks. Will check it out during the week.
johnnyrod
22-07-17, 08:43 PM
Think they are a decent camera, price is fair, what lens? Most RFs of the time had a top shutter speed of 1/500, and Yashica lenses are usually said to be good.
yokohama
23-07-17, 07:26 AM
I'll go and take a look at it on Tuesday.
Johnny, not sure if you're one for SLRs but this seems to be a snip down your way.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/digital-cameras/nikon-fe-slrcamera/1256350724
Would love to have that. Never get anything like that down here.
yokohama
23-07-17, 11:07 AM
A little bit closer and I'd be on that too. Good camera and 3 lenses. Pity that Sheffield's just a wee bit too far.
Got my Auto 110, it came with 18mm, 24mm and 50mm lenses. I also got a bunch of 35mm slides from an antiques shop. Lots of scanning to do now.
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Couple of slides from the lot I bought. Didn't see the guy lurking at the back:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4294/35304482353_b0d5e9c568_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VMJGBB)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4296/35979091541_d7c609bcdf_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WPmfqv)
I only ever ran one film through the Lynx and that was a couple of years ago. Need to dig it out.
yokohama
23-07-17, 06:29 PM
Those slides have aged well. Good deal on the Pentax too.
Definitely, thanks to Johnny for posting it up. They have aged well, the first box had 43 slides in. I have seven boxes. The two scans above are 1200 dpi.
johnnyrod
23-07-17, 06:45 PM
Nice Nikon Yokes, it'll be a couple of days before I could get to it but may well see if it's available.
How old do suppose these pumps are?
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4325/35746690330_5a6975896c_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WsP8D5)
How old do suppose these pumps are?
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4325/35746690330_5a6975896c_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WsP8D5)
1960's?
I have done four cases of slides so far. Three more to go! That is enough scanning for tonight.
johnnyrod
24-07-17, 08:29 PM
late 50s or early 60s it seems
http://www.igg.org.uk/rail/00-app1/gar-pet.htm
Although these guys would say later on in the 60s
http://pub25.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=2099944454&frmid=5&msgid=887451&cmd=show
if their memories are to be trusted!
Cool, will have a read of those. My great Aunt estimated 60s. Any idea what camera this might be? It appears a couple of times and looks to be a folder:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4329/35333115293_d1e91340b1_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VQgsbZ)
johnnyrod
24-07-17, 09:02 PM
Agifold? Maybe not this exact one
http://www.rockycameras.com/---agilux---agilux-agifold-vintage-rangefinder-camera--nice--3999-76459-p.asp
It's a 6x6 folder for sure - the proportions and the position of the red window.
I appear to have bought a canon A1. I had to get it out of my system.
yokohama
25-07-17, 04:10 AM
Early 50s to early 60s for the petrol according to the AA
https://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/reports/Petrol_Prices_1896_todate_gallons.pdf
Interesting article on the pumps too.
yokohama
25-07-17, 04:14 AM
I appear to have bought a canon A1. I had to get it out of my system.
Hahaha. I totally understand your inability to resist the temptation. :)
Nice camera though. I hope to see some pics.
I need a lens for it now. I think there's an FD lens knocking about at work.
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Yep, i saw them. Tempted to make a few good ones out of this pile, if I had the skills
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johnnyrod
26-07-17, 06:03 PM
I'm not much cop with SLRs. Yet...
Mamiya Six arrived, not quite as described
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeguruuk/sets/72157686704823046
I wasn't surprised about the case, but the fogged out lens I was. Also the auto-cokking mechanism isn't entirely connected, should hopefully be an easy fix. The shutter seems fine, not measured it but the 1 second runs fine and smooth. Need to email the seller later and see what he has to say. I guess worst case ebay would sort out a refund as it's not fully working and was sold that way. I think he's just started his ebay shop though so I don't want to dump on him too much. This is exactly what happened with the first rangefinder I bought, a Zeiss Contessamat from Etsy, the seller was oblivious to the fungus that ruined the pictures and the sticky shutter and aperture.
Do you think you can clear the fogging? You seem pretty adept at stripping things down. Thats five boxes of slides down.
johnnyrod
26-07-17, 07:01 PM
I don't know, it depends on the cause
The A1 has turned up. Condition is really good. Hardly any wear. Alas no battery installed so can't test fully yet. The only issue is the state of the foam seals, they've gone sticky and are crumbling. Of particular concern is the foam damper for the mirror.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170726/0732b501981f270ec9dedf62c3c437e5.jpg
johnnyrod
26-07-17, 07:22 PM
You can get kits or I just cut pieces myself from black 2mm foam from Hobbycraft. The same thing happens with old Pentaxes
http://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/black-self_adhesive-fab-foam-sheet-a4/571989-1000
I've shot with all the cameras I've used it on with no problems
Very nice, does Aki Ashai offer a seal kit?
You can get kits or I just cut pieces myself from black 2mm foam from Hobbycraft. The same thing happens with old Pentaxes
http://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/black-self_adhesive-fab-foam-sheet-a4/571989-1000
I've shot with all the cameras I've used it on with no problems
£1 a sheet. You can't go wrong with that. Thanks
johnnyrod
27-07-17, 02:47 PM
Yoko if the price isn't a typo then this is about a hundred quid too cheap IIRC
https://www.gumtree.com/p/non-digital-cameras/yashica-t4-35mm-film-camera/1257466297
I would snap that up sharpish! If not, there is always this 201993740096
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yokohama
27-07-17, 06:52 PM
Thanks for the heads-up guys. I've emailed. He's also got a couple of reasonably priced M42 lenses.
yokohama
27-07-17, 08:27 PM
..... sold already. :(
That's a shame, although not a surprise at that price.
johnnyrod
27-07-17, 09:08 PM
Not surprised! Went out for a walk tonight to shoot some 6x9, just a couple of frames left. Probably lost one as I wind the film on until the marks appear just before the next number, then leave it like that, finish winding when it's unfolded. I forgot so I might have two slightly overlapped frames. I re-shot the last one as I wouldn't want to lose it, also the light was fading so I went from 1/2 to 1 second as well. It's a bit of a pig to shoot scale focus at medium distance in poor light. At about 40' and f4 or f5.6 there isn't a lot of DoF to get you out of trouble. Scale marks are at 25' then infinity. On my SLR it had the last mark at 30', which was too near. Anyway I knew it'd be dim so took a tripod and cable release. You get a few looks with that lot all put together!
No reply yet from Japan. Going to put the rear lens element under the microscope at work and see how it looks, hopefully the lines are fungus not scratches.
Apart from the Bessa, I don't think I have any really decent 6x9 cameras. Most are sort of point and shoot really. As my wife has said I will have to start upping the budget and go for higher end gear.
Johnny? 201999877660
johnnyrod
28-07-17, 06:48 PM
Nice but it'll go up to £60+ I reckon.
I have only one 6x9 which is the Ensign 820. Mrs Rod also suggested a while ago that I don't have to hold out for preposterous bargains, as it's easy to buy a pup. Also I like to use them so going cheaper and not getting e.g. a rangefinder instead of scale focus (or whatever counts as a premium), or getting a good example instead of a pig in a poke, is probably worth it. Does go against the grain a bit but when I've flogged a few things maybe I'll be less bothered! Hopefully the Mamiya will work out and my 6x6 search is over. On that, I added a few microscope pics to Flickr, still no response from Japan, so if nothing by Monday I'll log a case with ebay.
There's a guy in Bristol who is selling his camera collection, he has I think 300 or so, including some amazing pieces like a Super Nettel. I'm talking to him but am wondering how and if I should purchase anything. Am going to see what he thinks on prices first then worry about it later, it'll be a while before I will be down that way. Would go for a purchase just to kick the tyres of all the others!
Sounds interesting, would be good to know what they have. I would like a Seagull folder at some point as well. Just checked out your photos on Flickr, that lens is pretty much toast. Maybe you will get a full refund as I doubt it will clean up. Would need refinishing I guess.
Check this lot out 122616849803
yokohama
28-07-17, 08:26 PM
I'll see if I can find you a Seagull in China. Will try to explore the camera scene a little deeper this year as I want to bring home a half-decent Chinese made machine of some sort.
Totally agree about spending the money if necessary if there's something good and you really want it. Bargains turn up, sure, but if there's one you lust after and it's in demand, sometimes it's worth biting the bullet and paying for it. Certainly over the next few years, it's going to retain value.
Oh, I forgot to say, I bought the Lynx 1000 for £25. Meter seems to respond OK, Shutter speeds seem fine, lens is a 1.8 and perfect.
Well I had been after a Yashicamat for ages and when one fell into my lap I couldn't say no. I did notice fungus strands in the viewing lens though. Something like this 282585871137, going to bid on this, but any Seagull would do. I am also watching a Perkeo 1 and a Solida ii. When are you going back? Good news on the Lynx, I'm sure you will enjoy it.
yokohama
28-07-17, 08:51 PM
Going back in mid September. The few shops that sell film cameras are expensive, I need to find junk shops and antique markets I think. I'll certainly keep an eye out.
Based on what I saw last year, it would almost be worth buying cameras to take out there, use them and flog them for a profit before coming back.
And ordered some of these....http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Pcs-Metal-Triangle-Rings-Split-Camera-Strap-Hook-Replacement-Parts-Accessory/253038192384?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
johnnyrod
28-07-17, 09:58 PM
Goo price on the triangles, they often go for a fiver a pair! Lynx sounds like a good one. I have an Olympus S and Konica S from a similar era and similar lenses, give great pictures, hard to describe but really good, more SLR than Tessar. Super Program is interesting, same basically as my Super A (different name), looks very Hunter S Thomas in the case and all
No idea about the Mamiya lens. The fungus will clean off but not yet sure what's left behind, there does look to be some pitting though. A while back I bought a Zeiss Contessa LBE o a bit of a whim, good camera but superfluous so sold it on after sorting it and running a film through it. It had pitting on the rear lens element which I convinced myself was enough to let it go, and some pics had some flare, but a mate of mine said it was no worse than he would expect anyway. I think he was being a bit generous but maybe even with some pitting, it could still be usable. Anyway I suspect I'll get nothing from Toshi so will have to wait a bit longer before getting on with it. It's a nice camera otherwise, film loading is easy, though the shutter speed and aperture are a bit fiddly, guess I'll need to get used to them.
Just stuck the roll of film I found in the EOS 300 in the tank, hopefully some images on it. Stand developing again, 45mins dev, 45 mins bleach then 7 mins fixer and 1-2 mins stabliser at 25c. Just need to do the film I found in the Baby Bessa next if I can get it on the Paterson reel.
The film is done. I got half a roll of someone's cat...
Having trouble loading the 120 film onto the Paterson reel so will do it another day.
Loaded the film on the AP reel instead. Only two images on the film.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4295/36248845465_433d897e19_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/XebNSe)
Oh yeah, and I grabbed this lot 263101989513
£13 for all, don't mind if I do. P30 with 50mm f1.7 (also have a Vivitar 28-200) XA2 and MJU ii.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4291/35864380570_4f32760f74_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WDdjR9)
This was in the Bessa 45
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4315/35864516430_267a373e41_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WDe2ey)
johnnyrod
30-07-17, 09:02 AM
Blimey!
Battery and other bits have arrived for the A1. Everything seems to work fine which is a relief. It does have the cough which I'll look at next along with new light seals. The other bits that were missing were the motorwind cover and the grip which are now fitted. I won an auction for a Canon 35-70 lens which should arrive soon. I'm so pleased to have one of these after a 40 year wait.
yokohama
30-07-17, 12:20 PM
Wow Kenzie, that's a very good Sunday morning's work.
I thought so as well. Been out shooting with the mju this afternoon. I have also been checking out eBay and watched an mju auction finish. Went for £141!
Fixed the cough on the A1. Fairly straightforward armed with a syringe and some light oil. I then put the base plate screw into a winder location hole rather than the screw hole during reassembly. Could I get the damn thing out! Succeeded eventually. Light seals next.
My AE1 Program has a slight cough as well but I am not sure if I will fix it or not. I have a Cobra dedicated 300 flash for Pentax going spare if anyone is interested?
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johnnyrod
31-07-17, 01:43 PM
What causes the cough? I'm fine for flashes ta
Mamiya seller is offering a refund, just going through the motions now. Hopefully will cover the postage etc. too. I don't think any of them want an ebay case against them on their record.
The cough is the mirror damper mech. I guess it dries out and just needs some lubrication. I just followed a how to on YouTube. It's the same process on all the A series cameras.
New foam is now in place including the bit that sits along the top of the mirror box. That's quietened down the mirror too.
I didn't use this method to access the damper but there's some good close up shots of the mechanism
https://youtu.be/4YMpMHwMtX4
Finished printing the film slitter last night so I can now cut 35mm down to 16mm for the Minolta 16 cameras I have. Should be able to get two loads out of one roll of Agfa Vista.
Show us a photo. I'm curious.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2103954
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Interesting. I guess the black thing is the blade.
Sorry for the late reply, but yes, those are the blades. I tried loading it tonight but I have misplaced one of the 16mm carts and the other one I couldn't get to stick. Wasted one roll. On the plus side, I found three more rolls of AV200.
Seems like the DF bundle is a bit of a let down. The 28mm lens has fungus and the zoom has some lens separation. The body is basically an X300S so lots of plastic.
johnnyrod
01-08-17, 07:28 PM
Dunnno if Craigg is still lurking, re. expired film, as if to prove a point, after less than a week I've sold a roll of Kodak for £4 plus £2.85 postage, expired 1999. It's an okay film, the Tri-X and Ilford you have will be snapped up much more readily.
Was that the chap with the big bundle of stuff? Film prices will go up as the Poundland option has gone now.
johnnyrod
01-08-17, 08:11 PM
Yep. Not sure if they will, it didn't seem like that many people knew about it
johnnyrod
01-08-17, 08:16 PM
Nice bundle in Liverpool
https://www.gumtree.com/p/video-camera-accessories/cameras-and-lenses-/1258539629
Dammit, X700 there [emoji20]
I still cannot get the lamp in the projector to work. Rather than bin it, I have found I can shine a high powered LED light through it instead. Just need to rig something up now. Will also print a take up spool as I didn't get any with it.
johnnyrod
02-08-17, 06:03 PM
Have you got power to it? Does the bulb work on its own? Got my refund for the Mamiya so I can start working on it now.
No power to the bulb. I think the coil has burnt out that drops the voltage. Good news on the refund.
Lens has arrived. Time to buy a film and test the camera out.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170802/7003cba61b703e53a4832b233c8ba911.jpg
Looking good. I was rummaging through my camera crates and I am finding stuff I had forgotten l had bought. Seem to have a few FD lenses for some reason.
Seeing as the 28mm lens is pretty much useless on the DF, I have decided to fit the Tamron 28mm I got from a charity shop. Thanks to Yoko for the Minolta mount, knew it would come in handy.
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