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Not true - all the lurkers come to point and laugh. :-)
Actually I do own 35mm, 6x6 and 6x17 film cameras but they don't see much use. Digital is just too convenient.
6x17? Which one is that?
https://www.gumtree.com/p/video-camera-accessories/canon-fx-35mm-film-slr-manual-camera-plus-original-flash/1224093954
https://flic.kr/p/psHAfR
johnnyrod
16-03-17, 09:29 PM
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Think he means 6x7 e.g. Pentax 67, unless you're into school photos from our grandparents' days
Haha seen that Argos page before, when I was looking for info about the EK8
johnnyrod
16-03-17, 09:30 PM
Ah 3000 replies so 3001 posts...
Doing well I think! Not sure what the cut off is. I wasn't sure if it was large format or similar. No idea why I keep looking on eBay for, can't help it!
Ektar 100 five pack has jumped by a fiver to just under £25
johnnyrod
16-03-17, 10:19 PM
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keith_d
17-03-17, 06:42 AM
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Think he means 6x7 e.g. Pentax 67, unless you're into school photos from our grandparents' days
It's an early model Linhof Technorama and definitely shoots 6x17 on 120 roll film.
But it weighs a ton, so these days I just mount my Lumix LX5 on a panoramic head when I want to shoot panoramas.
One of these? http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/617.htm That is some bit of kit!
Curiosity got the better of me
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2911/33470729736_c133163d6f.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/SZGeRb)
Came with two films and a wide angle and telephoto adapters. Will need to learn C41 for sure to use this one! Can home dev, otherwise a company online wants £40.
johnnyrod
18-03-17, 08:13 PM
HOLY COW at the pair of you
yokohama
18-03-17, 09:12 PM
Embarrassed enough to say that I'm old enough to remember those. Can you still get the cartridges?
I took a punt on a cheapo from the BHF thinking I wouldn't feel so bad if it was dead as the money was going to a good cause. 381997610402
Vinegar, a pencil rubber, a bit of soldering in the battery compartment and it works.
Yes, but the last ones were made in 1998-1999. Mine expired 1990 so don't even know if they will work. Can't see what that item was Yoko, what did you get?
johnnyrod
18-03-17, 09:32 PM
Olympus 35 ED, looks nice
yokohama
18-03-17, 09:45 PM
As Johnny says...
Lens is unmarked, I cleaned up the viewfinder & rangefinder and once I got a battery working, it seems to be firing at the different shutter speeds as appropriate.
The downer is it's battery dependant and auto only.
This looks very sexy. 361929970903
Looks nice, bet it hits at least £40. Film camera prices are rising a lot. Seen some Trip 35s hitting £30+ just lately. A boxed silver button like mine hit £52.
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yokohama
18-03-17, 09:58 PM
Yep. Still some bargains to be had but in general, asking prices are going up. Minolta SLRs seem to be much more expensive than this time last year.
Any suggestions about getting a lens apart? The Chinon 35mm seems to be stuck solid. Can't unscrew it even with a lens spanner.
I think I have an ECR somewhere. Not sure what the differences are, I know some have a shutter speed selector but that is about it.
Just won this joblot 352003558506 mostly for the Auto 110 flash but noticed the Adaptall mount after I won.
johnnyrod
20-03-17, 08:42 PM
I'm trying to control the GAS. Nearly bought a Mamiya C330 for £100 but someone beat me to it. Am thinking about a 6x9 to take to the Pyrenees in Sept. I think you need a decent lens to get a flat image right to the corners of such a large negative though, a Cooke triplet may not quite cut it. Hmm.
Same here but not doing so well! You taking the bike to the mountains? I have some 6x9s but they are all basic folders.
johnnyrod
20-03-17, 09:45 PM
Yep, would probably chance my arm with scale focus as I'm thinking of landscapes and small apertures anyway
Can only be one. Trip 35. Just found that my charity shop Trip has a bad case of fungus. =(
Well the aperture on my car boot find Trip 35 jammed up again, this coupled with the broken frame counter and the fungus in the other Trip 35 now means that it has given up it fungus free lens for the other. Just need to colimate and test.
Tonights patient
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You have to hold the shutter open with the screwdriver while holding the shutter release down to open the aperture, then use the other hand to hold a magnifier while adjusting the focus. OM20 split screen helped. That's the top plate hanging on the left.
yokohama
21-03-17, 08:44 PM
Rather you than me on that one.
The ED is pretty much an upmarket trip with a better lens and rangefinder rather than zone focus. Pocketable but heavy. I took it with me today and fired off a few shots. The ECR looks to be a very similar machine.
Off work for the next few days so will try to use up some film.
Just ordered a roll of CT Precisa slide film. No idea what to chuck it in though. It wasn't too bad a job, really helpful guide on studio 120 I think it was.
yokohama
21-03-17, 09:40 PM
I just read the guide. It sounds easy but I'm sure it's much more difficult in practice.
I hope you've got it focussing and working fine now.
BTW, it's half price sale time again at Rocky.
And I've just been paid....
Placed an order for a Kodak Duo 620. Been after one for a while. Think I saw a Mamiya Six on there. http://www.rockycameras.com/------1940-mamiya-6-version-i-cased--rare----mamiya-6-version-i-vintage-folding-6x6-rangefinder-camera-cw-kol-special-lens---nice-rare--9999-75735-p.asp
yokohama
22-03-17, 07:12 AM
At half price, Helios 44 is only a tenner. I've ordered one of those
Not a bad price there Yoko.
Anyone want any flash units? My box of goodies arrived and I have a Sunpak GX33 and a no brand double headed flash; one is tiltable and the other is fixed to the base so you don't have to keep tilting the head. I also got a beautiful Zeiss Ikophot Rapid light meter. Seems to work ok.
yokohama
22-03-17, 08:39 PM
That was a nice little bundle you got. I picked up an old light meter along with other stuff too but it was kaput unfortunately. I'm ok for flash units. Probably something I should experiment with at some point but I never seem to use them.
Same here, but seem to end up with loads of them. Got a Helios flash coming with another bundle. Got a bid in on a Bessamatic, it's a mis-spelt listing so fingers crossed.
It was a good bundle, the light meter alone averages about what I paid for the lot. Got a Minolta flash in there as well, but the Adaptall box was empty apart from an end cap.
yokohama
22-03-17, 09:27 PM
I think I've got the same Minolta flash. I've tried to offload some on ebay but without much success.
I'm trying to restrain the urge to branch out into rangefinders.
Just checked my eBay, I have 31 active watched items. So much for easing off! I still haven't shot with my Voigtlander VF135.
johnnyrod
22-03-17, 10:01 PM
I wouldn't mind an auto flash that's really small, I have a Cobra 210 with dodgy battery box cover, I've already replaced the PC cord once - it's the one I use on cold shoe cameras. Yoko if it's indoors it's easy with an auto flash, fill flash outdoors is a different matter!
The olympus t20 isn't too bad.
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How are you getting on with your days off and shooting Yoko? Has the weather held or is it pants? Just got hit with a £150 bill to replace a seized rear caliper on my Civic. So much better now though. Will need new pads at some point as they got a bit cooked.
yokohama
23-03-17, 08:19 PM
Weather was lousy yesterday so didn't do much.
Today, I felt adventurous and started to dismantle an 80-210 zoom. I got the front 2 elements out and cleaned up some oily haze. There's a little fungus on some of the glass a bit further down but I wasn't brave enough to go that far.
Hope to get out tomorrow, but I need to adjust the chain first. It's a bit loose.
Last time I took a lens apart I killed it.
yokohama
23-03-17, 09:39 PM
I'm getting better - doing less damage each time.
johnnyrod
23-03-17, 09:52 PM
Popped a bid on an Agfa Record III on Fleabay, it's starting at a quid. There's another with lesser shutter and lens but ending earlier alas, but also starting at a quid, so am keeping an eye on that too.
Which one are you bidding on? Going to take a chance at the car boot before work tomorrow.
This Perkeo looks pretty mint 122266610661
johnnyrod
24-03-17, 11:06 PM
Bidding on 112344083812, keeping an eye on 292060937796 though it has a bid on it now. Perkeo looks nice, oil on shutter blades not causing a problem - really? They don't know that for sure.
Today's car boot find for £13. Also got an Olympus T20 flash for 20p.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2877/32813155914_112ed40d7a_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RZA14u)
yokohama
26-03-17, 11:02 AM
A black one!! Nice find. Was the zoom included too? Looks like an AD2 103A??
Yes it was, its an 03A, got some Vivitar extension tubes as well. The 50mm was on the end of the tubes and I didn't realise what it was at first, thought it was another zoom. Have been out with the ME Super and Perkeo today, but the stick release on the Perkeo is getting annoying.
yokohama
26-03-17, 06:57 PM
Excellent deal with the 2 lenses and the black Minolta looks good.
The Tamron is an underrated lens. Not too heavy. I've got a fungussy 103, the one I took the front end off the other day, and the image quality is good - or was before I started doctoring it.
I got bullied into tidying the garden today. :(
Poor Yoko. I didn't have that problem today. Beautiful day it was. She had a Zenit of some description but I left it there.
johnnyrod
26-03-17, 08:36 PM
Nice. Stick release?
johnnyrod
26-03-17, 09:16 PM
Have been out with the ME Super and Perkeo today, but the stick release on the Perkeo is getting annoying.
Dunno mate, you tell me!
johnnyrod
26-03-17, 09:18 PM
PS am also bidding on this 322457876708 seen it in the flesh, chap wouldn't take an offer, it is immaculate and 100% working, even comes with a case and tiny lens hood.
So you won it then?
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johnnyrod
27-03-17, 06:23 PM
The Contessa LK yes, the Agfa no, it hit £76, I bailed out at £42.
Wow, didn't expect it to go so high! What will you do with the LK?
johnnyrod
27-03-17, 07:48 PM
Check it out and sell it on. I stopped by the guy's house to see it, doesn't even stick on 1/15 (slowest) and lenses are all clean, looks like it needs no work. I offered him a fiver but I think he was expecting more. A quid is daylight robbery so I'll give him the fiver anyway. I'll keep the hood though!
Not a keeper then? I have a spare T20 flash if you want it? The contacts need bridging with foil though.
johnnyrod
28-03-17, 08:55 AM
Nah an opportunistic buy, will have a go at selling locally to drive a bit of interest in film, then put it on ebay if it doesn't go. T20 looks interesting, presume it'd work on a normal hot shoe? What do you mean about the foil?
The battery contact at one end suffered corrosion but works ok with a piece of foil to bridge the end. Works ok on a standard hot shoe.
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johnnyrod
28-03-17, 11:13 AM
I'd give it a go!
yokohama
28-03-17, 03:59 PM
Canon T50 with lens and soft case in the charity shop for a fiver. Not for me but if anyone wants it or the lens??
Which lens? Would be interested for the case
What do you think ref focus? I don't think it is quite right.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3930/32863824264_8e1285a2a3_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/S54FZJ)
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2835/32863824354_8258bec6e2_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/S54G2h)
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johnnyrod
28-03-17, 09:43 PM
Looks a bit long but also hard to judge, so I'm going off the third pic. Large DoF not helping that. Sure it's not a bit of camera shake/flare/grot?
Might have to re do it and see what happens. Not in any rush. I'll dig out the flash and post it up if I can remember where it is!
yokohama
29-03-17, 03:19 PM
Winging its way down to Ipswich at this very moment.
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So what's the damage then Yoko? Johnny, I found the T20 but it doesn't seem to work. Up to you if you still want it or I'll bin it.
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yokohama
29-03-17, 06:30 PM
We'll put it the quid pro quo tab Kenzie. :D :D I'm sure you'll end up sending me something before long.
I put a couple of batteries in to test it and it fires and advances OK. Aperture blades look clean but I couldn't work out how to stop the lens down.
A couple of reference points I found.
http://michaelraso.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/canon-t-50-amazing-canon-fd-slr-point.html
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/SLRs/t50/
Thanks Yoko. Can you make use on the X700? Or have a go at fixing it? Sitting on the side otherwise. Johnny, I have a Vivitar Auto Thyristor 2800 going spare if you want it instead? Not as compact though.
yokohama
29-03-17, 06:50 PM
Don't bin the X700. I'll have a look at it but I doubt I can do any better than you. No rush. Bring it up to York if you decide to come. Did you replace both the capacitors?
No, just the bottom one. Can send it up with spare capacitor. The 135mm M42 lens is being a pain again. Sluggish aperture. I know what is doing it so I just cleaned it with lighter fluid again.
johnnyrod
29-03-17, 07:58 PM
Yes please kenzie - I wouldn't mind having a look at the T20 as well, I might be able to do something. The disadvantage of no built-in flash is having to think if it's worth taking one along, and where to put it.
I'll send them both up. The 2800 has a tiltable head, and the T20 will charge but not fire. Yoko, will send the X700 up to you.
johnnyrod
29-03-17, 08:13 PM
Great thanks
yokohama
29-03-17, 08:29 PM
OK Kenzie, thanks. I'll have a look at it. If you could put a spare capacitor in, I can try that.
There must be something with M42 lenses. The Chinon 35 aperture blades are oily and there's a yellow oil blob on the back lens about the size of the f22 aperture and I can't get the thing open.
Screws on around the mount? Will try and find some screws for the X700 base.
yokohama
29-03-17, 09:33 PM
You don't happen to have lots of tiny screws lying around, do you? I need one for the RC 35 battery trigger. The old one was corroded and sheared
With the lens, I don't know whether it's best to go in from the mount end or the front. I can get the first element off but the second seems to be on really tight. Lens spanner has slipped a couple of times and I don't want to scratch the lens.
I have loads of little screws kicking around, depends on what you want. If not, I will send a load up if I can find them!
yokohama
30-03-17, 07:47 AM
Ooh, thanks! I'll measure up later.
johnnyrod
30-03-17, 12:11 PM
Hmm looking at 6x9 folders, am currently scratching my head between a Voigtlander Bessa with Skopar lens, pre-war and uncoated, or a Ross 820 with Xpres lens and Epsilon shutter, which apparently are not very reliable, but a good lens and probably 1950s instead of 1930s. Any thoughts?
I quite like my Bessa, can't remember what lens it has though. I have the option of half frame as well because I have the mask as well. Not too heavy either. Not heard of the other one though.
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johnnyrod
30-03-17, 02:06 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302266160872
this one perhaps
I like that one, are you going to bid? I have unloaded the Perkeo and transferred the film over to the Yashica-Mat.
johnnyrod
30-03-17, 06:14 PM
Not sure, there is another one starting at £15 with one bid but also extras, ends Sunday, in Derby. I emailed them and they've confirmed the struts and shutter are fine - most sellers don't bother to update their ads with good info.
Apparently the problem with Epsilon shutters is that the cokking lever, I think when it returns, whacks teh escapement body and eventually distorts it, so problems starting with sticking slow speeds and eventually it jams. The 99p one above says sticking so could be more than just a clean-up job. Read nothing but good things about the Xpres lens though. Will try to snipe it.
yokohama
30-03-17, 07:49 PM
Kenzie, if you can find something in your screw collection, I need one to go through a hole of about 1.5mm. screw or tiny bolt would do, maybe around 5mm long.
If you ever get your hands on a 35 RC, don't even think about removing the screw that holds the battery contact.
johnnyrod
30-03-17, 07:56 PM
My God there are some rough ones around! I think a triplet like a Novar is fine for up to 6x6 but 6x9 is so big that you get a lot of vignetting in the corners without something a bit fancier like a Tessar. I think that's also the reason a lot of the triplets on 6x9 are f6.3 or slower, you'd get nothing useful if you could put them wider.
Yoko, will see what I can find. Johnny, how about the Voigtlander then?
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johnnyrod
30-03-17, 08:47 PM
Second one has a Helomar lens which is a cheap triplet. Had seen the first and thought it was a 6x6 but is actually 6x9. Not sure which lens it has
My Duo 620 from Rocky is on the way. I had completely forgotten about it. Did anyone else grab anything from Rocky? Yoko, where did you send the T50? I forgot to say I changed stores, its not a problem though.
johnnyrod
31-03-17, 07:08 AM
Nah, I'd really only trust his stuff in the flesh I think, but if work takes me down that way I'll stop by and kick the tyres
yokohama
31-03-17, 07:45 AM
My Duo 620 from Rocky is on the way. I had completely forgotten about it. Did anyone else grab anything from Rocky? Yoko, where did you send the T50? I forgot to say I changed stores, its not a problem though.
Ah, I sent the T50 to the usual address, sorry. Didn't know you'd changed. It should arrive today maybe.
I ordered a Helios from Rocky - expecting that soon too.
I left my bag and packing stuff at work so I will need to go back tomorrow to pick them up. I was hoping to pack the stuff up tonight to ship out.
johnnyrod
31-03-17, 08:59 PM
If you mean my stuff then don't worry about it!
johnnyrod
31-03-17, 09:19 PM
I checked out the Contessa I picked up the other day. Meter overexposes by 1 stop (near enough, when you add in the snappy shutter and stray sunllight), focus is accurate, it's actually clean, a couple of small fungus spots but really not worth disassembling, shutter speeds are almost right and not sticking, so all in ready to shoot. The self-timer is too sticky to work but may never have been used anyway, or be used again. I wish the ones I wanted to keep could turn up in this condition!
Well that's good then. Not even tempted to put a roll through it before moving it on? Car boot today.
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Good haul from the car boot. First one was a bust but went to another. Got a Nikon FM for £1
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2885/33613320742_b8c1865dbf_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Tdi4bN)
But the film advance lever is broken, however it can be cranked using a coin and the winder on the bottom, someone has scratched their name and address on the bottom. They lived in Mount Vernon Washington. I also got a Helios 44M lens for £2, a Kodak Box Brownie for £1, a Kodak Disc 4000 with film for £1, a Kodak Twin 20 for £1 and a Nettar case for 50p.
Johnny, I posted off the Perkeo and the flashes. Yoko, also sent the X700 and a selection of screws. The wind lever and the capacitor are in the film chamber. Just unpacked the T50, thanks for sending it down. Can't believe it was a fiver!
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yokohama
01-04-17, 07:58 PM
Glad the T50 arrived safely. It was remarkably cheap - the strap would probably fetch a fiver on ebay too. It sounds like you had a good day all in, lots of car booty, including a cheap Helios. Mine arrived today from Rocky and it's fine. No scratches or fungus and stops down as it should on the Fujica.
Looking forward to the X700 - and the screws...see if I can get the meter working on the 35rc.
Went out first class this morning. Going to try another sale tomorrow. Will get the T50 loaded and add it to the queue. I have put a mix of screws in so hopefully something will fit.
yokohama
01-04-17, 08:09 PM
I have put a mix of screws in so hopefully something will fit.
Thanks, that's great. I don't have anything that tiny. Looked through lots of electrical stuff in the house too but found nothing to cannibalise.
I'm heading for York again tomorrow, wondering what cameras to take.
Have lost track of your collection. Got any films to finish?
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