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garynortheast
28-08-18, 10:37 AM
You could experiment with a bit of baking powder maybe? I'll have a go at some Yorkies when I get home and let you know.

ophic
28-08-18, 12:44 PM
You could experiment with a bit of baking powder maybe? I'll have a go at some Yorkies when I get home and let you know.
I know from experience that if you use self-raising flour instead of plain in normal puds, bizarrely they don't rise. So I'm not sure baking powder will work.

I've just dug out some recipes online. It seems that it might work :)
https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/recipes/starters-snacks-sides/yorkshire-pudding

garynortheast
28-08-18, 02:15 PM
We live a wild life don't we? Vegan cookery.....

Bibio
28-08-18, 02:49 PM
i will be offending everyone tonight by having bacon and beef burgers. Vegans, Jews, Muslims, Hindus as well as some Buddhist. dont worry it will be semi healthy as i will be having the burgers with baby potatoes and broccoli.

:-)

maviczap
28-08-18, 03:28 PM
LOL :p

ophic
28-08-18, 04:25 PM
i will be offending everyone tonight by having bacon and beef burgers. Vegans, Jews, Muslims, Hindus as well as some Buddhist. dont worry it will be semi healthy as i will be having the burgers with baby potatoes and broccoli.

:-)
https://media.makeameme.org/created/you-heathen.jpg

andrewsmith
28-08-18, 04:49 PM
Lol

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andrewsmith
28-08-18, 06:18 PM
i will be offending everyone tonight by having bacon and beef burgers. Vegans, Jews, Muslims, Hindus as well as some Buddhist. dont worry it will be semi healthy as i will be having the burgers with baby potatoes and broccoli.

:-)You used the deep fat for them veg?

My wasn't much better curry farts anyone

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DarrenSV650S
28-08-18, 06:22 PM
I had rolls filled with piri piri chips, jalepeno nachos and ketchup. Bachelor life :rolleyes:

Bibio
28-08-18, 06:24 PM
my offender burger was superb :-)

bloody coop shortbread. they sell a box and a packet. i mistakenly took it that the box and packet were the same shortbread fingers as they both say Scottish and the packets are blue in colour.. wrong. one is the nice BUTTER shortbread the other is rank shortbread without butter. note to self.. if it dont say butter shortbread its rank..

SV650rules
29-08-18, 09:33 AM
i will be offending everyone tonight by having bacon and beef burgers. Vegans, Jews, Muslims, Hindus as well as some Buddhist. dont worry it will be semi healthy as i will be having the burgers with baby potatoes and broccoli.

:smile:

It is pretty impossible these days to do anything without offending someone, it is a minefield out there - remember the song 'Garden Party' by Ricky Nelson with the line - "It's alright now, I learned my lesson well, you can't please everyone so you'd better please yourself"


my offender burger was superb :-)

bloody coop shortbread. they sell a box and a packet. i mistakenly took it that the box and packet were the same shortbread fingers as they both say Scottish and the packets are blue in colour.. wrong. one is the nice BUTTER shortbread the other is rank shortbread without butter. note to self.. if it dont say butter shortbread its rank..

Most low fat / low calorie foods are pretty rank ;) This is an interesting read.....

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/making-the-case-for-eating-fat/

https://www.drperlmutter.com/brain-needs-cholesterol/

Above could explain why generally humans are becoming both fatter and stupider - diabetes and alzheimers both on the rise - the low fat diet started in the 1960's with bad advice on how cholesterol causes heart disease.

Wish I could afford to shop at Co-Op. Lidl and Aldi have more British stuff than 'our own' supermarkets, (especially meat and veg) and it is normally about 30 to 50% cheaper. Still prefer Sainsbury's for some things though.

Red ones
29-08-18, 10:18 AM
Co op meat is British. At least that's what the adverts say.

Bibio
29-08-18, 10:51 AM
i dont know what its like down south but up here pretty much all of our meat, poultry and veg is Scottish in the supermarkets and shops so the quality is good.

the old saying that "you are what you eat" is pretty spot on. no food is bad in moderation. having said that there is no rhyme or reason to health problems.

lets take two siblings (my brother and I). i eat pretty healthily compared to a lot of people, for instance i mainly cook fresh and have a varied diet, i dont drink but i do smoke but only about 10 a day (i have given up now). however i have severe artery problems which has led to major surgery. my brother on the other hand is a lazy git who only eats pizza (i shizz you not) and sits in front of a computer all day, but somehow remains a skinny git. he has zero health problems.

then you could look at Mrs Bibs who sits in front of the TV all day and gets zero exercise, used to smoke and eats the exact same food as i have for the past 25+ years. zero heart problems and apart from her disability is pretty healthy.

yes doctors know what the residue is in blocked artery's so this is why they tell you to reduce fatty substances in your diet and not to smoke but they still dont know why it affects some people and not others. its the same with other things such as cancer etc.etc.

Heorot
29-08-18, 11:03 AM
I have a choice for my weekly shop. I can either drive 10 miles each way to my nearest Aldi at a petrol cost of about £4, or I can do the same shop in the Co-op in my village about 400 meters away. I worked out it was cheaper to drive to Aldi and shop instead of the Co-op. I just use the Co-op for top ups.

I once did a £22 Aldi shop and then looked up the cost of the same items at Tesco. I was shocked to see that the Tesco equivalent would have been over £30.

Heorot
29-08-18, 11:12 AM
Bibs, if you want shortbread the next time you are in Edinburgh, go to the Burtons factory in Sighthill. They have a factory shop where you can buy bags full of broken and misshapes of all the product they make there at knockdown prices. 34 Bankhead Pl, Edinburgh EH11 4HN.

Bibio
29-08-18, 11:19 AM
i must admit i dont look at the cost of food. i have no idea how much i spend each week.

i must be saving a fortune not smoking.

Bibio
29-08-18, 11:25 AM
Bibs, if you want shortbread the next time you are in Edinburgh, go to the Burtons factory in Sighthill. They have a factory shop where you can buy bags full of broken and misshapes of all the product they make there at knockdown prices. 34 Bankhead Pl, Edinburgh EH11 4HN.
hahahahaaaaa.. i have known about that for pretty much my entire life :D

you can get huge bags of broken/odd shape biscuits for a few £. you can also get the posh misshaped like viscounts, wagon wheels etc.etc for not much more. we got sick of them after a while as one of my close cousins worked there so got staff discount e.g. free as most of the staff get fed up with them as well.

Burtons Royal Shortbread is the BEST there is.

Heorot
29-08-18, 11:31 AM
I discovered Burtons when I lived across the Calder Road in the Sighthill estate in 2001/2. I too ate so much that I got sick of them. I was an IT contractor and went for the cheapest flat I could find before buying my own place. I didn't realise how rough the Wester Hailes area was. I hadn't seen Trainspotting.

Bibio
29-08-18, 11:56 AM
I discovered Burtons when I lived across the Calder Road in the Sighthill estate in 2001/2. I too ate so much that I got sick of them. I was an IT contractor and went for the cheapest flat I could find before buying my own place. I didn't realise how rough the Wester Hailes area was. I hadn't seen Trainspotting.

hahahaaaaaaaa yes its a rather ermm local friendly place :smt043 now its full of europeans which TBH is much better.

i grew up in newington across from the queens hall. we used to get all the undesirables from other places like sighthill etc.etc descending into my area at the weekends to go drinking as they were all barred out their own local pubs.. i had interesting teen years :drink: :smt062

SV650rules
29-08-18, 02:56 PM
I have a choice for my weekly shop. I can either drive 10 miles each way to my nearest Aldi at a petrol cost of about £4, or I can do the same shop in the Co-op in my village about 400 meters away. I worked out it was cheaper to drive to Aldi and shop instead of the Co-op. I just use the Co-op for top ups.

I once did a £22 Aldi shop and then looked up the cost of the same items at Tesco. I was shocked to see that the Tesco equivalent would have been over £30.

First few times we shopped in Aldi I really thought they had made a mistake with the bill and not put everything on it - on average it is easy to save 30% on a general shop, but can save more on some things. Apparently Aldi pay staff well but they can be stacking shelves one minute and then be asked to go an man (or woman) a checkout, but they cut costs by being efficient. I don't know about others but I don't go grocery shopping for the 'shopping experience' - I go to buy stuff and get back out of the shop as quick as I can.

Heorot
29-08-18, 03:19 PM
There's also the snob factor. I was once in Aldi watching a smartly dressed late 20's couple packing their shopping.

Into expensive looking fabric and wood handled Waitrose bags.

Bibio
29-08-18, 05:48 PM
WTF are ebay upto now. open as new link or clicking on a link to another item seems to just open a "buy it" page with fek all description. even clicking the full description which used to open the proper listing is fubar.

DarrenSV650S
29-08-18, 06:31 PM
Are you on mobile?

Bibio
30-08-18, 10:41 AM
nope on the pc

garynortheast
30-08-18, 07:46 PM
Evening.

maviczap
30-08-18, 07:53 PM
Feckin evening

garynortheast
30-08-18, 08:12 PM
Oww! Sharp!
:-D

garynortheast
30-08-18, 08:13 PM
What's up Mav?

maviczap
30-08-18, 08:57 PM
One of them days, having to go in a day early because of office politics, and a job that can't be left.

Spent the whole day nearly, organising and reorganising.

Got to drive across country tomorrow, a nice 7hr drive, before we get to the job!

garynortheast
30-08-18, 09:41 PM
Urgh! As you say, one of those days. None of us need to many of them.

Sir Trev
31-08-18, 05:36 PM
Ev'nin all

Was looking forward to getting away from my current client at the end of my contract today but it seems they have realised how many more things I can help with so have been asked to stick around for another two weeks. The dosh will be handy but I was hoping to have some time free in early Sept for a few trips out on Hugh. Oh well, let's hope the weather holds until the end of the month instead, assuming I don't get extended yet again. Been there eight weeks now - it started out as two!

garynortheast
31-08-18, 07:10 PM
Evening. Read somewhere that the warmer weather is due to continue into early October Trev, so assuming your contract isn't extended again.....

kaivalagi
31-08-18, 09:37 PM
Yummy SV

https://youtu.be/-suK6PhQbAo

DarrenSV650S
31-08-18, 09:42 PM
Yummy SV

https://youtu.be/-suK6PhQbAo

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?p=3091421

*high five* :thumright:

littleoldman2
31-08-18, 09:44 PM
Evening. Read somewhere that the warmer weather is due to continue into early October Trev, so assuming your contract isn't extended again.....

Hope so. I'm hopefully off to Scotland for four nights withn the NMLCB last week in sept.

Been round a little of the Scottish (& English) borders today. My first outing on the Striple:D and all went well, 200 miles but it's a start. Been riding the Vav Van untill today, fun :p but slow fun.

garynortheast
02-09-18, 07:19 PM
Good to see you riding the Striple Malc. Any post ride aches or pains? Are you hoping to come down for the Border Patrol Weekender on it next year?

littleoldman2
02-09-18, 09:26 PM
A fair few. When you ride regular you forget how physical it is, especially how much you use you legs. Bibio has helped me greatly with advice about medicated bandages which have greatly reduced the pain in my jaw / head.

I'm sure I'll be there, probably come early and leave late to make a long weekend of it.
Went round the Yorkshire dales with friends today and didn't slow them up, did a couple of hundred miles. I'm getting stronger everyday. Mentally I'm like a new bloke, much happier.

garynortheast
02-09-18, 09:48 PM
Good man! That's really good to hear. Take it steady though, I suspect pacing yourself will be the key here.

Sir Trev
03-09-18, 04:53 PM
Mentally I'm like a new bloke, much happier.

Great news!

Bibio
05-09-18, 07:54 PM
well this has been a shizz day.. :-(

onwards and upwards

garynortheast
05-09-18, 08:25 PM
What's up Lance?

Bibio
05-09-18, 08:39 PM
usual shizz. OT not willing to budge on whats the correct equipment and action to take regarding modification to my house for the wife.

its looking like i'm going to have to put Mrs Bibs into care as i have no option due to my health and the OT not willing to budge on my request so they can now spend £1k a week caring for Mrs Bibs. fukem...

maviczap
05-09-18, 08:53 PM
:( :(
:smt011 :smt011

andrewsmith
05-09-18, 09:13 PM
:-(

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littleoldman2
06-09-18, 01:31 PM
Typical I'm afraid. Bet they don't care because it comes out of a different departments budget. No common sence. Gutted for you.

Bibio
06-09-18, 01:53 PM
i'm sick and tired of being treated the way we are because we dont have CANCER.

if either one of us had cancer it would be yes sir no sir three bags full sir even though your going to die soon we will still spend lots of funds on you coz ermm you have cancer and your going to die..... news flash... we are all going to die, some sooner than later.

Sir Trev
06-09-18, 05:54 PM
Sorry to hear that Bibster.

littleoldman2
06-09-18, 07:25 PM
Must depend on the type of cancer then. I was in and out of hopital from 17th jan to 13th April and still officially on the sick. I was awarded ESA to the amount of £0.00 per week as I have a income of greater than £72 per week. Cheeky ****s sent me a threatering letter saying that if I didn't fill in the forms they had sent me they would be "forced" to reduce or withdraw my benefit, then another demanding information from my previous employer, then they sent me a P60 showing the amount of £0.00 for the year. I won't go on as the steam is starting to escape fron my boiling blood.

Bibio
07-09-18, 01:09 AM
Must depend on the type of cancer then. I was in and out of hopital from 17th jan to 13th April and still officially on the sick. I was awarded ESA to the amount of £0.00 per week as I have a income of greater than £72 per week. Cheeky ****s sent me a threatering letter saying that if I didn't fill in the forms they had sent me they would be "forced" to reduce or withdraw my benefit, then another demanding information from my previous employer, then they sent me a P60 showing the amount of £0.00 for the year. I won't go on as the steam is starting to escape fron my boiling blood.

your trying to claim for the wrong thing. you should be claiming PIP if your under 65 or Attendance Allowance if over 65. both will include a mobility component. its not income related as far as i know.

if you have a life insurance policy i would check the wording as a mate has had a recent payout on his for getting a stent put in due to a heart attack. the payout was either £300k or £500k cant remember exactly.

as for equipment then your entitled to a shizz load of stuff to be fitted in your home and a lot of it is free. in some circumstances your also entitled to other help such as financial if you can no longer make payments on your mortgage. its all slightly different in England.

remember that your wife or anyone for that matter is entitled to claim carers allowance if they care for you. its not means tested. they just need to do something that your not capable of doing for yourself like helping you get dressed or eating/preparing food. they dont even have to stay in the same house.

its worth making enquires mate and your first stop should be CAB then your Social Work and Occupational Therapist.

remember that they have a duty to inform you of what your entitled too if you ask. if they dont and at a later date you find out that you should have been told then you get everything back dated. i had a nice little payout from the job centre due to misinformation about carers allowance.


my gripe is not about the funding we receive from the Gov, its about the level of after care and equipment to allow me to care for my wife and as i said if either of us had cancer we would have equipment installed in the house tomorrow as pretty much all the funding is put aside for cancer patients these days as its cheaper to "install and convert" to let them die in their house with their family looking after them than put them in a care home. due to this the long term disabled have to suffer with very little funding but the rub is the long term would benefit the most from the funding in the long run. i seem to recall that on average a local council will save over £1m in 10 years keeping a disable person in their home instead of a care home..... this is why there is so much care in the community going on.

Heorot
07-09-18, 12:57 PM
Bibs, a lot of the equipment supplies is down to the local authority dept responsible. The relevant dept for the council I worked for had a poor record of supplying stuff and there were so many complaints that investigators were sent to find out what the problem was. It turned out that they had spent their entire capital budget on buying new equipment and there was no cash left. This was despite them having a warehouse full of returned stuff. Because they were not recording the returns, they had no idea what they had in store so they always issued new. The dept was closed down and the function passed on to a private company that was subsequently shown to provide a better service for a lower cost to the council.

Having worked in 22 private companies before going to work at the council I was appalled at the bureaucracy and waste in the departments I was dealing with. Four years ago fifty back office jobs in Social Services were axed as a result of the reduction in the central government grant. There was no noticeable effect on the service provided.

Bibio
07-09-18, 02:02 PM
the thing i dont get is that OT's starting wage is around £21k for band 5 and rises steeply at band 7 so you would expect to have people that know what they are doing but NO.. they are hired due to having a qualification not necessary in their field.

its like the healthcare professionals that are being employed to evaluate PIP candidates, they have no qualifications but due to them being given one day on the job training they can have a certificate to say they are.

there is no need to tell me about the waste of equipment. Mrs Bibs recently had a mattress riser fitted to her bed only for it to have been used for ermm 5min for her to say its no good. i'm still waiting for them to take it back off the bed. thing is we never even asked for it.

Heorot
07-09-18, 02:12 PM
My experience is that most council workers came straight from school and stayed on, never having worked in the private sector and their only experience of working life was in the archaic working practices of the local authority. Jobs that came vacant were nearly all sourced from within the authority and there was no proper evaluation of the candidates knowledge and ability. If there were three useless candidates for a vacancy, the least useless was given the job. It was rare that any jobs other than the most basic were put out to external candidates. The main reason for these practices as I saw it was the stifling presence of the Unison union that all job vacancies that were filled had to pass their approval. It was just easier to promote internally than to get Unison to approve advertising for external candidates.

Middle managers were promoted based on their length of service rather than ability.

Bibio
07-09-18, 02:45 PM
yup nepotism springs to mind.

i personally dont like privatisation of public services via contract or otherwise and i fully believe that its responsible for the rising price of things today.

if authority's and the Gov hired the correct people like the private sector does then things would be run properly but instead of a private company/individual reaping the rewards and profits then the public would see it and be able to reinvest or lower the costs which in turn is lower taxation or redirection of funds for healthcare etc.etc, this was the whole idea of nationalisation in the first place but it was implemented wrong by greedy politicians with school tie buddies. utility companies are a perfect example. privatisation was supposed to give us more of a choice with lower prices and better services but its went the other way due to sheer greed.

how can a private individual making profit from what was once a nationalised company be any good for the public. it cant as the profits go into someone's pocket rather than the public coffers. what really really pizzes me off is the handouts associated with privatisation. its all a con (see what i did there).

Heorot
07-09-18, 04:07 PM
Bibs,

it can work if properly implemented. There is a company called Norse that tenders to local authorities to take over their services on a joint ownership partnership. The way it works is that the authority produces a list of tasks, schedules etc. that it currently provides and Norse costs it out. I am familiar with Wellingborough Council and they have a joint company 80% Norse and 20% Council to provide all the town maintenance services previously provided directly by the council for less than was previously spent. Norse took on all the staff, pensions and plant as part of the deal.

One reason for this structure is that councils are not allowed to do non-council contracts but Norse, as a private company, can. So carrying out commercial waste collections outside of the borough can bring in additional profit which the council, as a 20% shareholder, benefits from.

This is how it works: http://www.ncsgrp.co.uk/news_wellingborough.htm

Bibio
07-09-18, 04:52 PM
sounds great and looks ideal on paper but people are forgetting one thing, someone is making money from public funds no matter how much you try and look through rose tinted glasses.

it might work well to begin with and everything is fine and dandy till the private company has the local authority by the scrotum due to having all their staff at which point they start to increase costs. there is a name for this kind of tactic but i cant remember.

with proper management in place there should be no need for the private sector to be called in.

private sector = profits. its that simple. but so called expert individuals are still being swayed by sales pitches and back handers.

there is still animosity amongst the gentry about nationalisation due to taking what the public regarded as the peoples need e.g. hospitals and power companies who at one time run as private making profits for the already greedy rich.

people forget why companies were nationalised in the first place and who's money was used to do it. then along comes a government and sells what the public had already paid for via taxation. the gullible public being a greedy bunch thought that they were getting a deal so flooded to buy shares not realising that they already owned those shares.... yes thats how fekin thick and greedy the public are. now we all have to suffer with ever increasing costs of services.

PRIVATISATION DOES NOT WORK no matter how much you colour it.

how much are these shares worth now? fek all.

SV650rules
07-09-18, 06:14 PM
There was a 'Dispatches' or Horizon program earlier this year investigating local authorities and NHS paying private companies to prepare 'money saving/ efficiency' reports for them. It ran into 6 or 7 figures that these companies were being paid, and they were on a commission that the more 'savings' they could recommend the more they got paid, but it was rare for councils to implement the reports, it was just paperwork exercises. One of the consultants is on record as saying "getting money from government and local councils is easy, like taking candy from a baby, private companies are much harder to get money from"... says it all really, taxpayers money is there to waste with little oversight, there is always more where that came from. Local councils and government are lacking proper business organisation and practices... and they always cut the things people notice most, scandalous when some council leaders are paid two or three times more than prime minister.

Heorot
07-09-18, 07:37 PM
As I implied in my earlier post, in my experience there is no chance of councils implementing proper business organisation and practices. There is an institutionised mindset that prevents it.

Bibio's quote "if authority's and the Gov hired the correct people like the private sector does then things would be run properly" is never going to happen. When they do hire senior people from outside the authority, it is always people who are from other parts of the public sector so nothing changes.

Occasionally, councillers will try to implement changes but it always seems to go wrong long term. An example is Northamptonshire County Council. Thirty years ago, they tried to clear out the dead wood in middle management by making them all redundant, reducing the positions by a third and redefining them and then allowing the redundant staff to apply for the new positions. So for every 3 jobs previously there were now 2. The useless staff remained redundant. The Council was revitalised and for a time was a byword for local authority efficiency. Looks like all the old bad habits returned over time and the council is now bankrupt through reckless spending.

Bibio
09-09-18, 07:46 PM
this guy keeps shouting on me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpcDORkAqos

was just youtubbin fly tying and came across it :-)

andrewsmith
09-09-18, 09:10 PM
this guy keeps shouting on me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpcDORkAqos

was just youtubbin fly tying and came across it :-)You a secret TV star that we don't know about

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munkygunn182
09-09-18, 09:14 PM
'Bibiosceptic'

Bibio
09-09-18, 10:26 PM
i'm fekin seething... about.. the Scottish gov having a women only committee being held at the Scottish Parliament and our First Minister has attendance. its illegal. there was a law passed stating that there was to be no gender segregation in the workplace. GET A FURKIN GRIP. if this were a bunch of men they would be ostracized out of a job.

its about time we got rid of that fekin useless nippy little cow. she is like your bad curtain twitching neighbour, cant keep her self to her self and let people live their life. GAWD I HATE THAT WOMAN.

garynortheast
10-09-18, 08:46 PM
Evening

littleoldman2
21-09-18, 07:35 AM
Good morning and happy Friday everyone.

Sir Trev
21-09-18, 08:35 AM
Happy Friday indeed. I'm off to see my accountant this morning to hand over my paperwork for the 2017/18 year which is good, as she has some excellent coffee and always has nice shortbread for visitors. I do have to be on my best behaviour afterwards though as I'm meeting up with a recruiter in Reading who may well have a new contract for me. Fingers crossed.

maviczap
21-09-18, 10:12 AM
It will be a good Friday, it's been a crap week at work, looking forward to finishing for the week.

Eldest starts uni next week, so driving her down on Sunday to her accommodation, so the stress levels in the house will subside.

andrewsmith
21-09-18, 03:14 PM
Happy Friday indeed. I'm off to see my accountant this morning to hand over my paperwork for the 2017/18 year which is good, as she has some excellent coffee and always has nice shortbread for visitors. I do have to be on my best behaviour afterwards though as I'm meeting up with a recruiter in Reading who may well have a new contract for me. Fingers crossed.Oh nice!
Mines submitted checked and paid already

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Bibio
21-09-18, 03:51 PM
bit of a conundrum.. i recently bought an item off ebay that was ermm shizz. asked seller for a refund and to return item. seller then tried to offer discounts and calls me cruel etc.etc so i ask ebay to step in and sort it out which they did within hours and i get a full refund.

only trouble is the seller has not given me a return address for the item so i cant post it back. with the case now being closed i cant contact the seller via the item number.

should i:
get in touch with the seller by other means via ebay?
keep the item and the money?
other, you tell me?

Sir Trev
21-09-18, 04:13 PM
Ask eBay what you should do - that way if the seller kicks up a stink you can point them to eBay and say you did what you were told was correct in the circumstances.

Bibio
21-09-18, 04:19 PM
thats a good idea Trev.. its the first time i have ever returned anything on ebay and i've been a member for a very very long time.

littleoldman2
21-09-18, 08:55 PM
Is it worth the return, lots of brand new returns are worth a lot less once opened.
I recently sent the left instead of the right footrest to NI. It was entirely my fault but not worth the cost of the return so I refunded him and asked him to bin / keep it.

Bibio
22-09-18, 10:31 AM
i have contacted the seller to ask where to send the item. the item was a fly tying vice that was £60 and no outer sealed box so they will be able to sell it on.

i went out last sunday to the fishing megastore in edin to get a few bits and bobs and while there i had a good look/feel of the vices on offer, they were all what i would class as "poser tools" they look nice but in reality not really that well made for tying flies and not what i wanted.. that includes vices at £500+

i have three choices for a new vice. cave in and spend the £400 odd on a nor-vise system (which still is not ideal) or go down the workshop and make one or keep using the POS i have at the moment.

littleoldman2
22-09-18, 10:38 AM
Workshop it is then. You know you like making stuff anyway, just a small matter of finding the time.

Bibio
22-09-18, 10:48 AM
yup its the time that bothers me.

in reality the nor-vise is ideal but its the jaws that need modifying but i could live with it no problem. out of the whole thing its the jaws that are the hard part to make.

DarrenSV650S
22-09-18, 11:00 AM
Real flyers don't need a vice ;)

ophic
22-09-18, 02:36 PM
yup its the time that bothers me.

in reality the nor-vise is ideal but its the jaws that need modifying but i could live with it no problem. out of the whole thing its the jaws that are the hard part to make.

Perhaps you just identified a gap in the market :money:

Bibio
22-09-18, 09:14 PM
there is a gap but the market is full of snobbery.

it could be the worst vice out there but if costs a fortune then it must be good... then you have the yanks that wont buy anything unless its made in yankiland.

its pretty much the fly fishing scene in recent years. they go out and buy all the top gear costing thousands just to be part of a group and much the same thing as the biking community these days.

maviczap
23-09-18, 05:54 AM
its pretty much the fly fishing scene in recent years. they go out and buy all the top gear costing thousands just to be part of a group and much the same thing as the biking community these days.

Same with cycling, spend thousands on the most expensive bike, must have deep carbon wheels, Rapha jerseys and chase those Strava segments.

These are the guys who don't say good morning or hi when I see them out on their bikes, they've never raced properly, and wouldn't join a club just their own little Strava chasing group.

garynortheast
23-09-18, 06:45 AM
There's a certain amount of that in running too, although for some reason a it's not so evident amongst trail runners and particularly absent in the canicross scene.

Sir Trev
23-09-18, 06:52 AM
Photography too. I catch myself looking at which model of Canon or Nikon is hanging round someone's neck but then I'm not that fussed about having the best of everything as long as I'm enjoying it. You do see people with 5D4's and L lenses taking mundane snaps and you do wonder why spend thousands to do that when a reasonable compact would work just as well.

SV650rules
23-09-18, 09:52 AM
there is a gap but the market is full of snobbery.

it could be the worst vice out there but if costs a fortune then it must be good... then you have the yanks that wont buy anything unless its made in yankiland.

its pretty much the fly fishing scene in recent years. they go out and buy all the top gear costing thousands just to be part of a group and much the same thing as the biking community these days.

Same in Golf, people rock up in all the Callaway or Ping gear, with a remote controlled electric trolley the size of a smart car and play like 5hite, then you get the old guy with a small carry bag with half a set of irons and a three wood ( no driver - a flash driver can cost as much as a set of irons ) and blitzes the course. There is a saying in golf 'driver for show, putter for dough' ..... (no good getting onto the green in 2 shots and then take 4 or 5 putts ). There is another saying in golf that covers other sports / hobbies, 'all the gear and no idea'

Red ones
23-09-18, 10:40 AM
Sounds like my view of those who queued for new iPhones this week.

Adam Ef
23-09-18, 10:55 AM
"Get the gear" ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3SFqV0hMyo

maviczap
23-09-18, 05:45 PM
There's a certain amount of that in running too, although for some reason a it's not so evident amongst trail runners and particularly absent in the canicross scene.

Photography too. I catch myself looking at which model of Canon or Nikon is hanging round someone's neck but then I'm not that fussed about having the best of everything as long as I'm enjoying it. You do see people with 5D4's and L lenses taking mundane snaps and you do wonder why spend thousands to do that when a reasonable compact would work just as well.

Same in Golf, people rock up in all the Callaway or Ping gear, with a remote controlled electric trolley the size of a smart car and play like 5hite, then you get the old guy with a small carry bag with half a set of irons and a three wood ( no driver - a flash driver can cost as much as a set of irons ) and blitzes the course. There is a saying in golf 'driver for show, putter for dough' ..... (no good getting onto the green in 2 shots and then take 4 or 5 putts ). There is another saying in golf that covers other sports / hobbies, 'all the gear and no idea'

Still I'm quite happy, because they sell off their barely used stuff when they upgrade, so I don't have to pay full price for it. Once it's on my bike you'd not notice it was not brand new

Bibio
23-09-18, 06:49 PM
fly fishing in a way has always been full of snobs but hey each to their own and all that.

i have in the past taught a fair few strangers with all the gear no idea to cast a fly line.

i was amazed at how much fly fishing rods have come in the past 10 years.. £60 will buy a rod that would have cost me £300 10 years ago to get the same kind of action. yes the expensive stuff is still very very expensive but i'll leave that for people with deep pockets.

FTR my fly rod and real are well over 20 years old... lol

the price of a days fishing has bloody shot up. what was one of my fave lochs was £10 all day is now £35, thankfully my local is still a good price but the hours have dropped.

maviczap
23-09-18, 07:11 PM
fly fishing in a way has always been full of snobs but hey each to their own and all that.

i have in the past taught a fair few strangers with all the gear no idea to cast a fly line.

i was amazed at how much fly fishing rods have come in the past 10 years.. £60 will buy a rod that would have cost me £300 10 years ago to get the same kind of action. yes the expensive stuff is still very very expensive but i'll leave that for people with deep pockets.

FTR my fly rod and real are well over 20 years old... lol

the price of a days fishing has bloody shot up. what was one of my fave lochs was £10 all day is now £35, thankfully my local is still a good price but the hours have dropped.

That's progress in carbon fibre technology

I think my Aldi fly rod is better than the fibreglass fly rod I made myself over 40years ago. I've still got my Mitchell fly reel from when I was a teenager.

I've got a lovely carbon blank that I must get round to building up, but it'd be cheaper to go buy a new one.

Bibio
23-09-18, 08:30 PM
i used to make my own rods when i was younger as it was cheeper than buying them and the shop was just up the road from me and a great bunch of older gents who were always very helpful, taught me a lot.

my first shop bought fly rod is the one i still use and is a Diawa Whisker WF98. its still sought after as the action is nice.

Mitchell auto by chance?

i had a look at some new hardware for a spare whisker i have and it aint cheep (£4-6 a ring) if you want the latest. so yes it would be cheeper and probably a better rod buying something. depending on what the blank is and how old you might get a good price for it on ebay.

maviczap
24-09-18, 05:43 AM
Diawa whiskers were always nice, I remember my local shop trying to sell me one of the first coarse rods.

Think you're right, I should just go and buy a new fly rod, although there is a lot of pleasure making your own.

Nope, it's just a normal Mitchell, I remember the one you mean.

All my fly fishing stuff was bought from from a lovely shop in the centre of Edinburgh, Bet it's long gone

littleoldman2
24-09-18, 10:35 AM
I, like loads of folk have set ways of doing stuff. Including how I take my heart medication. So yesterdayI opened the box of Beta blockers and there was non in it. No idea where they could be as I keep a little box with that stuff on the kitchen table and put things straight back (we move it up up up when the Grandchildren turn up). Searched all around and found nowt. Today I empty the dishwasher and find them in the cuttlery draw when I put the cuttlery away ???. A complete mystery.

Bibio
24-09-18, 10:54 AM
i'm happy enough to sit and tie flies just now so buying new gear is low on the list. fly fishing all depends on how well i get in the next 6 months.

there is nothing like the feeling you get when you catch that first fish on a rod and flies you have made yourself :-)

its all well saying that you want a new rod but are you ever going to use it as i know how busy you are.

might have been Simpsons, west preston street. or the posh one just off princes street.

Bibio
24-09-18, 10:55 AM
I, like loads of folk have set ways of doing stuff. Including how I take my heart medication. So yesterdayI opened the box of Beta blockers and there was non in it. No idea where they could be as I keep a little box with that stuff on the kitchen table and put things straight back (we move it up up up when the Grandchildren turn up). Searched all around and found nowt. Today I empty the dishwasher and find them in the cuttlery draw when I put the cuttlery away ???. A complete mystery.

no mystery, your going senile.. :-dd

maviczap
24-09-18, 12:07 PM
i'm happy enough to sit and tie flies just now so buying new gear is low on the list. fly fishing all depends on how well i get in the next 6 months.

there is nothing like the feeling you get when you catch that first fish on a rod and flies you have made yourself :-)

its all well saying that you want a new rod but are you ever going to use it as i know how busy you are.

might have been Simpsons, west preston street. or the posh one just off princes street.


Aye, far too busy to do ANY fishing, and more into my cycling at the moment.

Haven't been fly fishing for over 40 years, but I will, only three years before I retire

andrewsmith
24-09-18, 12:08 PM
no mystery, your going senile.. :-ddMight explain the bike engine in the bath


*runs away*

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Bibio
24-09-18, 02:02 PM
Might explain the bike engine in the bath


*runs away*

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i know Malc loves bikes but having a bath with one is going a bit far :smt043

punyXpress
24-09-18, 04:53 PM
In his neck of the woods, baths is for keeping coal in ?

andrewsmith
24-09-18, 05:28 PM
In his neck of the woods, baths is for keeping coal in ?It's all geet posh electric lights you know

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DarrenSV650S
24-09-18, 06:44 PM
Hayabusa jet ski :D

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littleoldman2
24-09-18, 08:01 PM
Well Mrs LOM says NO:mad:, now wheres my money box;):p.

Bibio
25-09-18, 10:55 AM
the response from the ebay seller of the vise.

dear customer,
sorry for late reply.
the time u contacted was the holiday in our city ,
we all out of the office ,
the item u can keep it ,
as the return shipping fee is not cheap



had a funny feeling that it was shipped from china and not london, thing is the item arrived in two days. i would presume to someone's house who re packaged it and then sent it on to me as it had uk postal marks. bloody amazing if you think about it.


i bought it originally as it stated item location london as i never wanted to pay all the customs and po charges.


i feel weird, i dont like what i would constitute as "ripping someone off". hey ho, i might modify it and see if i can get some use out of it.

ophic
25-09-18, 02:25 PM
I've tried to notify ebay about chinese sellers pretending to be in UK before but they're not interested. The chinese also lie about delivery times.

So you normally get a refund and the item arriving for free 3 weeks after you actually needed it.

Bibio
25-09-18, 03:35 PM
thing is even if they are in china with a uk item location its upto them to pay all the import fees at the same price as items outwith uk. i'm personally amazed at how quick the item arrived after buying it.

now here is another way that they do it. there are massive warehouses and containers full of imported shizz from china and lots of different vendors (or one vendor with lots and lots of accounts) all selling the stuff inside it. only problem is once its sold it then becomes the vendors problem. a bit like how our supermarkets work when buying things like fruit.

do they pay tax.. more than likely not but hey one of the biggest companies in the world dont pay tax in the uk either. i dont see the gov rushing out and banning them from trading in the uk.