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Heart rate training didn't work for me. It was a nuisance - it held me back, the HRM would start bleeping and I found it so irritating that I stopped using it.
Anyways I am now officially entered for Liverpool Half Marathon on 28 March!!!! Woo-hoo!!!!!
Ran the 4 miles home from work, no time as I left my Garmin at home this morning. D/K if I'll be able to run tomorrow as (a) I have a massage appointm,ent for my poorly left shoulder and arm, which are painful, and (b) there is a warning of heavy snow for the Midlands and for Wales, and we're just about between the two.
So my shoulder and arm - when I go to Liverpool I always have to take a load of files with and they are damn heavy. I can often feel my shoulder complaining, but ignored it, and now it's come home to roost. It doesn't stop me running but it's painful and I don't want it getting any worse.
Touble is my feet are killing me. I'm not sure whether this is my body getting used to me running or I've actually got myself an injury. They both hurt on the inside sdge just above the arch around the Navicular.
I also wondered if it could be that the instep of my trainer is a bit too built up. I did have my gait analysis done before I got my trainers, but is this more to get the right support for over pronation?
You may possibly find you have your laces tied to tight and is restricting blood flow around that area. It could also (and more likely) be the trainers are not the right ones for you. Not all trainers for a specific gate are going to be right for your feet. It sounds like you have too much (or possibly too little) support on the arch of your feet which is causing the problem.
I have just changed from Nike's to Mizuno's and having similar problems. I am hoping the trainers will cushion in and the pain will fade away as the trainers take the shape of my feet. If not, it will be another change of trainers. I would give them a few miles to see how you fair with them, if you are still getting pain, consider changing your trainers for a different make. You need to make sure your laces are tight enough to allow the trainer to support your feet but not too tight that your blood flow is restricted and the muscles in your feet cant work efficiently.
You may possibly find you have your laces tied to tight and is restricting blood flow around that area. It could also (and more likely) be the trainers are not the right ones for you. Not all trainers for a specific gate are going to be right for your feet. It sounds like you have too much (or possibly too little) support on the arch of your feet which is causing the problem.
I have just changed from Nike's to Mizuno's and having similar problems. I am hoping the trainers will cushion in and the pain will fade away as the trainers take the shape of my feet. If not, it will be another change of trainers. I would give them a few miles to see how you fair with them, if you are still getting pain, consider changing your trainers for a different make. You need to make sure your laces are tight enough to allow the trainer to support your feet but not too tight that your blood flow is restricted and the muscles in your feet cant work efficiently.
Thanks for that.
I had a feeling it may be the trainers. Oh well that's £75 down the drain!
I'm going to go back to the running shop to see what else they have.
Like you point out though, it takes a few miles to see if they are right, not just a minute on a treadmill.
I have probably done about 70 - 80 miles in them now and its on the longer (for me!) runs where I really start to get pain, so it probably is the trainers. :rolleyes:
Thanks for that.
I had a feeling it may be the trainers. Oh well that's £75 down the drain!
I'm going to go back to the running shop to see what else they have.
Like you point out though, it takes a few miles to see if they are right, not just a minute on a treadmill.
I have probably done about 70 - 80 miles in them now and its on the longer (for me!) runs where I really start to get pain, so it probably is the trainers. :rolleyes:
If you can get there I recommend a quick visit to the Asics running shop in London, they have a 3D laser scanner that accurately measures your feet. After uploading the data to the HQ in Japan they can recommend a specific running shoe for you. You dont necessarily need to buy anything but there is a charge for using the service if you dont. I think it was £20.
If you can get there I recommend a quick visit to the Asics running shop in London, they have a 3D laser scanner that accurately measures your feet. After uploading the data to the HQ in Japan they can recommend a specific running shoe for you. You dont necessarily need to buy anything but there is a charge for using the service if you dont. I think it was £20.
Blo0dy hell! That's progress for you! I would love to get this done but being in Leicester it's probably a bit far. Nice to know that the technology is available :D
Blo0dy hell! That's progress for you! I would love to get this done but being in Leicester it's probably a bit far. Nice to know that the technology is available :D
I live in Wallasey near Liverpool! It was more a luckily timed business trip to London that made it possible for me. Worth it if you get the chance though.
There must be a good running shop in your area though mate, I used a local shop called natterjack in southport, thay have a video gait analysis computer that matched up to a pair af ascic kayano,s, it was worth its weight in gold cos Ive been running injury free for a while now,btw if you only statreed running in november and you have just ran an 8 miler you may be overtraining, just a thought though good luck with it.
Ive just boxed off 3.6 miles in the worst conditions Ive ever run in, snow in the air, snow and ice on the ground ,cars skidding everywhere, glad I done it mind :D
btw if you only statreed running in november and you have just ran an 8 miler you may be overtraining, just a thought though good luck with it.
There is that too. I did cross my mind. Felt good at the time :D
I've had 3 days off now, so am gonna go out later and do maybe 3 or 4 miles, see how I go.
It seems the same as when I did my DAS. the org is the place to come! loads of helpful advice for a newbie biker and now loads of helpful advice for a newbie runner!!:thumleft:
I live in Wallasey near Liverpool! It was more a luckily timed business trip to London that made it possible for me. Worth it if you get the chance though.
Didn't look at your location :oops:
Definately though, if I'm ever in the big smoke I'll make sure I pay them a visit.
Purplevamp
05-01-10, 12:45 PM
Funny you should mention running gait analysis, i had mine done before christmas and found that my £130 Asics Kinsie were totaly wrong for me, i was a severe over pronator and had no heel/arch support.
I bought Ascics again but cant remeber what type but the difference was amazing.
I have used then twice and ran 6k in the gym last night , they have stopped the aching down the insides of my legs ,but found that the soles of my feet were so sore and burning it was quite uncomfortable.
My first instinct was to loosen off my laces, so i will try again tomorow and see how i go.
I have my first 5 mile charity run 21st Feb so im getting up to that distance on the treadmill while the ground is covered with Snow and Ice.
I managed the 6k in 29 mins & 21seconds.
Stick with them though if they are new, it can take weeks to properly settle into a new pair of trainers. I was getting a blister on the inside of my foot arch, eventually my foot toughened up and it doesnt bother me at all now. More importantly my shoes properly support my particular gait and I rarely suffer any aching in my knees or chins now.
Purplevamp
05-01-10, 12:54 PM
Im planning on sticking with them, i have new running socks too so it should all settle down.
Just majorly annoyed at all the snow and ice as its delaying my road running programme lol.
Good running socks are as essential as the shoes - you will find some that suit you and some that don't I can't get on with anything other than Asics Kayano's.
The best thing to do is buy them from either SheRunheRuns or Sweatshop (same chain) as they do a 30 Day guarantee, in store only, so if you try them on the treadmill and they say they look fine and you cannot get on with them they will replace them with something else FOC. They are a bit more expensive, but I reckon a great idea until you find a shoe you are truly happy with then stick with it and order online.
Also, I seem to remember that there are different types of lacing pattern that you use to relieve stress in certain areas, its a bit hard to explain but if you google it ,ll make more sense.
The other thing I will add to that being an over pronator myself. Is that if this is the first time you have run with trainers specific to your gait then this is probably also the first time your arches have ever had support. It will be totally unfamiliar for your foot to run with this support and will need time to get used to it.
I just did another 4 miles today. The aching in my arches have considerably subsided so it looks like it was nothing more than my feet getting used to the new trainers and the soles bedding in to the shape of my feet. Bad news though is I seem to have an unexplainable knee injury. Hurts like hell from the outside right through the knee. I could barely walk up the stairs to the shower room when I finished my run. 2 small runs in to the New Year and already I am trying to dodge injury. :(
Good running socks are as essential as the shoes - you will find some that suit you and some that don't I can't get on with anything other than Asics Kayano's.
And something I have also found is one pair of socks that work well with a particular trainer might not necessarily work well with a pair of different make. As I have found out switching from Nike to Mizuno.
Yeah I like my Kayanos as well Kev, mine are the 14,s so getting on a bit now but they seem to suit me, should have bought two pairs I reckon :rolleyes:
The other thing I will add to that being an over pronator myself. Is that if this is the first time you have run with trainers specific to your gait then this is probably also the first time your arches have ever had support. It will be totally unfamiliar for your foot to run with this support and will need time to get used to it.
I just did another 4 miles today. The aching in my arches have considerably subsided so it looks like it was nothing more than my feet getting used to the new trainers and the soles bedding in to the shape of my feet. Bad news though is I seem to have an unexplainable knee injury. Hurts like hell from the outside right through the knee. I could barely walk up the stairs to the shower room when I finished my run. 2 small runs in to the New Year and already I am trying to dodge injury. :(
Sorry to hear it Si, its a real pain going from one to another brand, I always used to use nike but they always gave me knee trouble so I switched Asics and I get the occassional achilles trouble but I can recognise the early signs and have a break, good luck with it.
I had two pairs of 14's and really liked them - 15's are better though and the best ones I have used yet in terms of mileage and comfort, I have had 2 pairs so far.
I also have a pair of 16's but I don't rate them as much as 15's.
I always check prices on www.ransacker.co.uk (http://www.ransacker.co.uk) though.
My first pair were 12's!!!
Purplevamp
05-01-10, 02:05 PM
Good running socks are as essential as the shoes - you will find some that suit you and some that don't I can't get on with anything other than Asics Kayano's.
The best thing to do is buy them from either SheRunheRuns or Sweatshop (same chain) as they do a 30 Day guarantee, in store only, so if you try them on the treadmill and they say they look fine and you cannot get on with them they will replace them with something else FOC. They are a bit more expensive, but I reckon a great idea until you find a shoe you are truly happy with then stick with it and order online.
We have a huge Bourns Sports shop where they have the analysis treadmill, they were very helpfull, My old Ascis Kinsei trainers were about 10 months old too, so even with the small amount of running i was doing at the gym they were worn out.
The lady who helped me said that i should look at buying new running shoes every 10 minths or so, but that i would know when the aches started creaping back again.
I dont mind paying the money if it means i will save myself from injury.
iirc correctly bourn sports are pretty good on prices too, I always know how many miles my shoes have done cos I input it into my running log on Fetch, my current shoes have done something like 250 miles now, which is nice :D
missyburd
05-01-10, 02:12 PM
Hello all, after a bit of advice. YC and I have decided to do a bit of running once all this snow clears up but as we're complete novices and both get trouble with the knees we want to invest in a decent pair of running shoes (each :P). Can anyone point us in the right direction?
Cheers
Maria
Purplevamp
05-01-10, 02:17 PM
iirc correctly bourn sports are pretty good on prices too, I always know how many miles my shoes have done cos I input it into my running log on Fetch, my current shoes have done something like 250 miles now, which is nice :D
Yes prices are good, my hubby paid £90 for my new pair as a christmas pressie.
Not heard of Fetch? Heard of map my run though.
Check out www.runneresworld.co.uk (http://www.runneresworld.co.uk) and www.fetcheveryone.com (http://www.fetcheveryone.com) for loads of help and info, theres got to be some specialist running shops in the area, go and see them and explain what you intend to do and they will hopefully offer you bags of advice, its worth getting a video gait analysis done at the shop if you can, getting the correct shoes will mean less injuries, more comfort, more miles etc it might cost you £20 but it could save you both a loadhttp://forums.sv650.org/images/buttons/edit.gif (http://forums.sv650.org/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=2141449) of pain later on in fact my local shop waive the fee if you buy shoes from them, good luck with it.
Yes prices are good, my hubby paid £90 for my new pair as a christmas pressie.
Not heard of Fetch? Heard of map my run though.
www.fetcheveryone.com (http://www.fetcheveryone.com)
Edit: bags of info and advice etc and not too dry either also check out www.runnersworld.co.uk
Another vote for fetch it's great!
Miss YC, if you have a Sweatshop near you that's the place to go for new shoes and get gait analysis done, plus they have a 30 day guarantee so if you hate the shoes take them back and try something else.
http://www.sweatshop.co.uk/storefinder.cfm
Don't forget running shoes too!
Also, I seem to remember that there are different types of lacing pattern that you use to relieve stress in certain areas, its a bit hard to explain but if you google it ,ll make more sense.
i'll have to investigate that
I just did another 4 miles today. The aching in my arches have considerably subsided so it looks like it was nothing more than my feet getting used to the new trainers and the soles bedding in to the shape of my feet. Bad news though is I seem to have an unexplainable knee injury. Hurts like hell from the outside right through the knee. I could barely walk up the stairs to the shower room when I finished my run. 2 small runs in to the New Year and already I am trying to dodge injury. :(
:(
I had two pairs of 14's and really liked them - 15's are better though and the best ones I have used yet in terms of mileage and comfort, I have had 2 pairs so far.
I also have a pair of 16's but I don't rate them as much as 15's.
I always check prices on www.ransacker.co.uk (http://www.ransacker.co.uk) though.
My first pair were 12's!!!
it's really worth having a good look online for running shoes if you know what you want. i just ordered a pair of asics cumulus 9s (same as my first pair of running shoes) for £37.49, my current shoes are cumulus 11s i think and they are pretty much identical apart from the price tag of £85
Hello all, after a bit of advice. YC and I have decided to do a bit of running once all this snow clears up but as we're complete novices and both get trouble with the knees we want to invest in a decent pair of running shoes (each :P). Can anyone point us in the right direction?
Cheers
Maria
just as important as good running shoes is a good sports bra ;)
Hello all, after a bit of advice. YC and I have decided to do a bit of running once all this snow clears up but as we're complete novices and both get trouble with the knees we want to invest in a decent pair of running shoes (each :P). Can anyone point us in the right direction?
Cheers
Maria
Hi Maria, welcome to the thread :-)
Loads of choice on running shops but definately find somewhere that can do video gait analysis in the shop to choose the correct running shoe for your particular running style. If you get the wrong ones you'll just suffer and potentially get injured.
You dont need to spend loads, you just need the right ones for you.
Best place near me in Liverpool is a place called UpandRunning. They have a small but good shop in central Liverpool and will give you all the advice you need. Not sure if there is one closer to you though.
Mike
ps. If you choose Asics Kayano I have a brand new set for sale, size 10 UK I think but can check if you need.
Ran home from work, the long way, and did a few bits of speedwork - the first time for a while. After the gas explosion much of the town centre remains sealed off, so a bit of a detour needed. 5 miles. Light snow, 1C, north east wind was damn cold. Toenail no 2 on right foot gone bruised and black - always happens - will fall off soon.
Welcome to the thread MissYC:D
On shoes - can't emphasise enough how important it is, your old Green Flash will NOT do. Get your feet and gait checked out, as above.
missyburd
05-01-10, 09:26 PM
just as important as good running shoes is a good sports bra ;)
Hehe, no worries on that score, I have one from summer tennis games :-D
Thanks for the advice folk, I guess the main thing is to get kitted out where someone can show you exactly what's what. We'll be back on here moaning about how unfit we are etc soon, I have no doubt about that!
I considered going for a run today. Would have been nice in the snow. But already I have to take a break because of my knee. I hope this is not a sign of how the rest of the year is going to be. :(
I considered going for a run today. Would have been nice in the snow. But already I have to take a break because of my knee. I hope this is not a sign of how the rest of the year is going to be. :(
:(
I went for a little run earlier. Flipping hard work in the deep snow, fallen down trees made it interesting and scratchy too!
I an 10 miles home last night (plus a bit) and foolishly left the car here to do that.
Woke up this morning 3 inches of snow, got the bike off the drive but didn't feel safe and I didn't fancy going either way on the hill, so I went back got my running shoes on and ran back in in the snow/sludge/ice.
Apart from several muppets nearly running me over I loved it!
Rest day for me today. Shame really as I liked running in the snow too.
My toenail has now split off and looks like I've broken it across the quick, and the rest has gone purple. Nice. Doesn't hurt at all, just a nuisance.
Runners toe, I have heard of it many times but fortunately never suffered from it.
Purplevamp
07-01-10, 08:52 AM
Still no road running for me yet, im not brave enough to go running on ice and snow like some of you guys lol.
I did go to the gym and run 6k again though, the burn on the soles of my feet didnt seem as bas as it did on monday, so im hoping its just down to bedding in my new running shoes.
I beat Mondays time of 29 mins and 21 seconds, and did it in 29 mins flat last night.
Really want to go out for a run on the road tonight as i have a free night, but not sure if i dare?
I've skipped the ice, not worth the risk of breaking a bone. Too dangerous to drive to the gym the past few days so running will have to wait.
Purplevamp
07-01-10, 09:29 AM
I know what you mean, we have been lucky with the roads we take to get to our gym, the only dodgy road is down the side of the gym where we park.
We have been the only two in the gym this week when we have been. Everyone else is obviously decided its not worth it lol.
What with the temperatures dropping to minus 8 and more i have a feeling that by the time i get home tonight and go out to run its going to be trecherous.
I may decide not to go, as you say, we dont want any broken bones.
I don't mind running on snow and ice... can only speak for myself here but I find that running at a constant speed with shorter paces and keeping my feet close to the ground means that there is much lower slip hazard. Will run tonight, no matter how cold - it was -10C here last night, unlikely to be as cold tonight I guess.
Purplevamp
07-01-10, 10:10 AM
I don't mind running on snow and ice... can only speak for myself here but I find that running at a constant speed with shorter paces and keeping my feet close to the ground means that there is much lower slip hazard. Will run tonight, no matter how cold - it was -10C here last night, unlikely to be as cold tonight I guess.
Ooohhh your a brave man. Thats dedication for you!
Considering going for a run. I didn't get into work today because of the local roads. Maybe I'll just sit on my behind and wait until I am in work tomorrow. :)
TheOnlyNemesis
07-01-10, 11:14 AM
Considering going for a run. I didn't get into work today because of the local roads. Maybe I'll just sit on my behind and wait until I am in work tomorrow. :)
if you do avoid ice, it hurts ur bum to land on as i found out the other day
Purplevamp
07-01-10, 11:39 AM
if you do avoid ice, it hurts ur bum to land on as i found out the other day
Thats it, i have decided im not running tonight lol. The ice round here is like glass!
My excuse is to give my knee injury another day to recover. :lol: Looking forward to tomorrows run though.
Thats it, i have decided im not running tonight lol. The ice round here is like glass!
Your excuse just disappeared.
http://www.yaktrax.co.uk/shop/products.php?cat=9
Purplevamp
07-01-10, 01:12 PM
Lol well what can i say, im suitably ashamed for ducking out of running on the ice hehe.
I just got back from a snowy 6 in slightly under 53m - 52m58s to be precise. Tonight is positively tropical here, -8C right now, which I suppose is better than the -10C we had last nighthttp://community.active.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif I like the feel of cold air stinging my face but I don't like it when my lips start crackinghttp://community.active.com/images/emoticons/cry.gif But because the air is so cold, have you noticed that the sky is really clear, with a simply brilliant view of Jupiterhttp://community.active.com/images/emoticons/cool.gif
Yippee!! Friday tomorrow, the weekend beckons. Another 5 or 6 planned for tomorrow, then 8 maybe 10 Saturday. Good ehhttp://community.active.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif
Ed
i missed my mid-week 8-miler this week but hope to get my weekend 16er done :-)
I just went for a leisurely run with a pal from accounts, we took it slow and steady and stayed within the grounds of Greenwich Park, the ice and snow was really bad. That said I really enjoyed it and got the biggest buzz from any run I have done it a while!
I considered going for a run, but with missing a day at work and the fact the snow in Reading is still terrible I decided against it. I would have been wading through snow up to my knees.
I made it to the gym last night and did a fairly cosy 4 miles with the TV on :-)
the showers were a bit chilly though
Ive not been out for a run about 3 days now and getting a bit stir crazy, saying that, I was at work last night and temp got down to -17, I had nipples like chapel hat pegs all night :D
just did just over 4 miles in fresh 3 inch deep snow, which was bl00dy hard it was blowing a blizzard too, tomorrows planned 14 miler might be interesting (or canceled?)
just did just over 4 miles in fresh 3 inch deep snow, which was bl00dy hard it was blowing a blizzard too, tomorrows planned 14 miler might be interesting (or canceled?)
well done, i've not run properly since tuesday.
spent a bit too long in the pub last night for a 16 miler today so i'm going to have to give it a go tomorrow.
Still have not run. No chance this weekend either. More snow predicted on Sunday so probably wont be running then either. :lol:
I managed 3.6 miles today, stacks of snow around but quite good grip tbh so increased my pace slightly, still not the same as a proper dry surface but wanna ya gonna do ? ;)
Friends, I've broken the 10 mile barrier:D Set off to do 10, speed not important, within a mile it started snowing:rolleyes: Did 10.15 miles in 1h32m and a few seconds, average pace was 9.04m/mile. I am so pleased - the last mile or two were a bit of a scrappy struggle but it's in the book:D
I near got knocked/run over. I was running in the road (cos the pavement was too snowy and icy) facing oncoming, right in the gutter really, when some d1ckhead in a Volvo drove straight at me. Funny how everyone else saw me and moved over, and this ar$ehole didn't. I had to jump damn sharp onto the kerb to avoid being flattened. So I spun round and got his number, and I've reported the driver to the police for dangerous driving.
Yeah there are some really tw&ts about that's for sure!!!
Nice work on the 10 miler!
I managed a 14 miler this afternoon after blowing it out this morning...the thought of missing a long run got the better of me so I went out, was snowing the whole way round too!
i wimped out and only managed a 6 and a bit miler this morning. was way too snowy and slippery for my running shoes :-(
...I recommend getting a copy of Advanced Marathoning http://www.amazon.co.uk/Advanced-Marathoning-Peter-Pfitzinger/dp/0736074600 and trying your best to trudge through it.
Right, I bought this and started reading. I've calculated my resting heart rate (50) and maximal heart rate (181) fairly accurately ready to define the various training zones it discusses.
Its early days but my initial reaction was that the heart rate zones look a little lower than I was expecting. Marathon pace for example being less than 163 bpm in my case. I'll be following it closely to see what happens.
Kev, did you follow the 18 week 'up to 55 miles per week programme'?
Still not been for a run but I have brought my running gear into work. The streets and pavements of Reading are still a nightmare, so may just not bother again. Will see come lunchtime.
Still not been for a run but I have brought my running gear into work. The streets and pavements of Reading are still a nightmare, so may just not bother again. Will see come lunchtime.
It's really frustrating isn't it.
Flymo - on heart rate training - this is why I dumped it, the zones were too low and it was irritating to have to slow down so often. If you have a resting heart rate of 50 - wow that's pretty good:D
...on heart rate training - this is why I dumped it, the zones were too low and it was irritating to have to slow down so often. If you have a resting heart rate of 50 - wow that's pretty good:D
I'm prepared to give it a go though, it may well be that it 'feels' too slow but is still actually delivering the intended training benefit. I think its partly a confidence thing which might be an error on our part to want to run near our capacity and prove that we can do it. If a lower intensity training programme actually allows me to run a marathon faster then thats fine I guess. I did find last time around that as my fitness improved then so my heart rate came down for the same speed. I'm sitting on the fence still :-)
My resting heart rate is low which is good, lower than it was last year at something like 65 bpm. I can only put that down to being fitter than last year. I had to be really careful when measuring it, its supposed to be measured just after waking up. I found that if you make any significant movement then it increases very easily but when relaxed shortly after waking it was at 50 bpm :-)
Lying there with my HRM on my thoughts eventually drifted to wondering how I could speed it up......she told me to bugger off :-)
Kev, did you follow the 18 week 'up to 55 miles per week programme'?
Yes mate and I am going to be doing it again for VLM too. It has a little bit of variation in it which is good for keeping you interested.
Lying there with my HRM on my thoughts eventually drifted to wondering how I could speed it up......she told me to bugger off :-)
Yeah I've never been allowed to test the HR either in that way!
Yeah I've never been allowed to test the HR either in that way!
Spose that having a chest strap on and constant checking of the monitor tends to suggest more interest in heart rate than in her:D
Well it's lunch time and I am still here. :( The roads are just not worth going out. I would be spending more time trying to stay upright than going forward.
Yes mate and I am going to be doing it again for VLM too. It has a little bit of variation in it which is good for keeping you interested.
So did you find that the marathon pace runs were a little slow?
Well it's lunch time and I am still here. :( The roads are just not worth going out. I would be spending more time trying to stay upright than going forward.
Sucks:( This is why I ran in the road yesterday, and that divvi near ran me over.
So did you find that the marathon pace runs were a little slow?
Long Runs felt way too slow, I don't think I ever did the MP runs properly.
I need to get the strap out and start doing it again. Some of the other runs felt too fast too.
Since I restarted running - and quit smoking (well sort of - I still have the occasional cigarette but it's relatively rare and I daresay will peter out altogether) - I feel permanently hungry. Have just had lunch and I could have eaten at least twice as much!
Since I restarted running - and quit smoking (well sort of - I still have the occasional cigarette but it's relatively rare and I daresay will peter out altogether) - I feel permanently hungry. Have just had lunch and I could have eaten at least twice as much!
That's the quiting cigarettes. Nicotine is an appetite suppressant.
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I shall have to start smoking again then!!! TBH - and Kev will kill me for saying this - I could so easily, in fact if I went and bought a pack now I'd probably smoke the lot. But I won't - buy a pack that is:D
Friends, I've broken the 10 mile barrier:D Set off to do 10, speed not important, within a mile it started snowing:rolleyes: Did 10.15 miles in 1h32m and a few seconds, average pace was 9.04m/mile. I am so pleased - the last mile or two were a bit of a scrappy struggle but it's in the book:D
I near got knocked/run over. I was running in the road (cos the pavement was too snowy and icy) facing oncoming, right in the gutter really, when some d1ckhead in a Volvo drove straight at me. Funny how everyone else saw me and moved over, and this ar$ehole didn't. I had to jump damn sharp onto the kerb to avoid being flattened. So I spun round and got his number, and I've reported the driver to the police for dangerous driving.
Yeah I know how you feel Ed, I also got took out by a Volvo the other week, still got bruised knees and a swollen wrist, anyhoo got out over the weekend and got 10 miles in over sat and sunday, must say this bloody snow is hard work, no grip, no bounce, every footfall feels dead, I mean I know Im slow but I cant be that slow, gotta be the conditions.
ED tut tut!
Fags = very bad
Running = not so bad
My mum gets out of breath sitting down!
As Zammo once said "just say no!"
If you keep smoking you won't be able to chase Volvo's!!!
Going for a run today regardless. On the way in to work I noticed the paths have been trodden quite flat now. But also noticed still covered in snow and ice. Will have to plod carefully. Last thing I need is an injury. I am already way off my yearly target.
Going for a run today regardless. On the way in to work I noticed the paths have been trodden quite flat now. But also noticed still covered in snow and ice. Will have to plod carefully. Last thing I need is an injury. I am already way off my yearly target.
take it easy, I noticed that the pavements are slippier now than during the colder weather.
just about to start ramping up to this training programme, first proper week on it next week. so this week is all about trying to decypher what the hell its talking about :-) and attempting to ramp up the distance beforehand.
I cant dive straight into a 12 miler without a little practice. Think I'll do a week 1 at 80% distance first.
take it easy, I noticed that the pavements are slippier now than during the colder weather.
Oh joy, looks like its the same here too, still got me gear on will be heading out shortly.
Well that was a waste of time, set off to do a nice easy 4 miler and had to bale out cos of the conditions underfoot, solid ice with liquid water lying on the surface, horrible combination, managed to slip/slide/skid for 1.26 miles and gave up, was really looking forward to it as well, went out like george foreman came back like george formby :rolleyes:
take it easy, I noticed that the pavements are slippier now than during the colder weather.
Well that was a waste of time, set off to do a nice easy 4 miler and had to bale out cos of the conditions underfoot, solid ice with liquid water lying on the surface, horrible combination, managed to slip/slide/skid for 1.26 miles and gave up, was really looking forward to it as well, went out like george foreman came back like george formby :rolleyes:
Yup. I didn't even get out the door. It would just be a waste of time and quite frankly dangerous. The snow is not the issue. It is the cold weather which has turned the trodden down snow into ice paths. Lisa slipped yesterday and landed on her rear when she went for a run. It's just not worth the risk.
just back from the gym, did my first 'Lactate-Threshold' run from the training programme. I was pleasantly surprised at the pace it allowed me to carry for 8 miles with barely any effort. Just about managed to keep my heart rate in the correct zone for the duration. Maybe there's some sense in this sports science after all.
Short run home before the snow arrives, 3 - 4 miles tops, no time recorded as left Garmin at home. Tomorrow looks like a white world here. Damn.
I struggled with my run home, up hills covered in slush and ice...
Flymo - did you start at one end of the band and then let your HR rise to the top of the band?
I finally got out there and ran. 4 miles in a slow 34 minutes. But it was a mixture of snow, ice and slush. Roll on tomorrow. :)
me too 3-4" deep fresh powder snow - was nice in a strange way!
i'm totally fed up with the snow mucking up my running.
tomorrow i will run whatever happens
Oops sorry for slight derail...
Be careful guys n' girls, had this sent to me by the Crystal Palace Physiotherapy and Sports Injury Clinic
Well it's that time of year again! It's the start of 2010 and many of us are pounding the pavements in preparation to the upcoming spring marathons.
This burst of activity often leads to a host of running related injuries presenting at Crystal Palace Sports Injury Clinic. ITB Friction Syndrome in particular is a nasty problem that pops up time and time again.
ITB Friction Syndrome in a nutshell
The Iliotibial band begins at the gluteals (buttocks) and runs down the outside of the leg and finishes at the outer knee. During running this band can rub over the knee joint which can lead to irritation.
What are the causes?
There are a number of factors thought to contribute to this condition
Training habits
Always running on a banked surface such as one side of the road or an indoor track,
Excessive hill running
Inadequate warm up
Skeletal Abnormalities
Poor foot biomechanics
Uneven leg length
Bow legs
Muscular Imbalances
Weak gluts (hip abductors)
Poor core control
What can you do?
Rest! In the early stages, reducing the amount of runs per week may suffice, but if the condition persists it may be required to lay off running fully until symptoms have begun to resolve. Like any inflammatory condition 10-15 minute periods of icing after a run can help to reduce pain and improve function.
Stretch/releasing the Iliotibial band and quadriceps muscles can take the pressure off the inflamed region. A foam roller can be great at 'unloading' the ITB and can easily be done at home on a regular basis.
If symptoms persist you may benefit from visiting one of our physiotherapist who can assess and identify the cause of the tightness and advise on treatment including strengthening of the hip abductors and core muscles, soft tissue release and review of running technique.
Our Masseurs can help to really iron out any tight knots, lumps and bumps in the Iliotibial band causing it to shorten.
We also have a Podiatrists available for a review of additional causes such as foot biomechanics and running technique analysis has also been shown to assist in management of this condition. Remember - the right shoes are extremely important for a runner. We always recommend being fitted for running trainers rather than 'buying off the shelf'.
Did you know?
65 percent of runners are injured in an average year, one running injury occurs for about every 100 hours of running, and runners miss about 5-10 per cent of their workouts due to injury.
Keep up the good work all the same.
Tim in Belgium
14-01-10, 08:00 AM
Did a fastish (for me) 35mins pace run last night in mist/mizzle/sleet/snow. Looking forward to an extra couple of degrees to make marathon training more attractive.
Ooooooo it was cold, wet and slushy for a slow 10 miler in the confines of Greenwich park - I LOVED EVERY MINUTE!
Kev - I envy you.
Wifey has been in the hozzie today so no run for me.
Kev - I envy you.
Wifey has been in the hozzie today so no run for me.
Everything ok ED?
Flymo - did you start at one end of the band and then let your HR rise to the top of the band?
I did yeah, although I dont think I had much choice really :-) Its pretty hard keeping your heart rate down at those levels at the same time as maintaining a reasonable pace. At the start things are fine but as the distance progresses I find my heart rate creeps up anyway.
As its been crap weather I've been using a treadmill so far so I'm able to adjust speed and incline to help keep heart rate at a particular level. The gym is pretty warm so that likely contributes to a slightly higher heart rate, hopefully should be out on the road at the weekend for a long run. Will likely do 9 or 10 miles or so and then start week 1 proper next week.
So far so good though.
Purplevamp
15-01-10, 10:42 AM
Well we have lots of rain over the next couple of days, so im hoping that i can make a start on my outdoors running.
Luckypants
15-01-10, 10:57 AM
Flymo - on heart rate training - this is why I dumped it, the zones were too low and it was irritating to have to slow down so often. If you have a resting heart rate of 50 - wow that's pretty good:D
I think HR training is very effective. You may not think it of me now, but I once was fit (did a couple of triathlons). I saw how much HR targeted training improved my ex-wife's biking (she was GBR team for mountain bikes) performance and used it myself to get up to doing triathlons. So I'd say stick with it.
I've just started exercising again, so I'm using a HRM to keep below 80% until I get a bit fitter, so I can avoid a heart attack! The intensity is fine, just the pace is really low when you are as unfit as me! The pace will increase for the same effort as I improve. They really do have many uses. :)
I'm beginning to agree. The hardest part is that it doesnt feel like you are getting any benefit by not exercising to your full potential, but I'm a reader and I'm convinced by the science I've read about in this book. Targetted heart rate training does hold you back but thats actually the point I think, to target specific aspects of physiology rather than just all out effort.
Its probably too early to properly say, but I'm already noticing that I'm able to acheive the distances without the same level of effort. By pushing the specific training targets I fully expect to be able to beat my marathon PB in far better shape towards the end of the distance rather than holding on for survival.
Everything ok ED?
Yes, thank you. Removal of a nasty ovarian cyst. She's feeling a bit battered and bruised, as you'd expect, but otherwise fine. The hospital was very relieved when I collected her cos they had another patient waiting for the 'bed' - ie trolley - she was sat waiting for Anne to leave.
I have a bit of the CBAs today, see how I feel later on as to whether I do a 5 miler. Snow melting here, pavements are a sea of slush and half melted ice. Ick.
Ed - Glad things are ok!
I did the 10 miles yesterday and as I am busy di my sunday run on my way to work this morning and feel knackered so can safely say I have overdone it a bit.
I'm beginning to agree. The hardest part is that it doesnt feel like you are getting any benefit by not exercising to your full potential, but I'm a reader and I'm convinced by the science I've read about in this book. Targetted heart rate training does hold you back but thats actually the point I think, to target specific aspects of physiology rather than just all out effort.
Its probably too early to properly say, but I'm already noticing that I'm able to acheive the distances without the same level of effort. By pushing the specific training targets I fully expect to be able to beat my marathon PB in far better shape towards the end of the distance rather than holding on for survival.
I'm a really cr*p reader, I always have been, so I really struggle with books. I can read but have to re-read the same sentence several times and rarely actually take it in. Probably shows in my posts.
Having said that I have poicked a couple of things up from it and it helped me understand what happens to the body during traing too. If you fancy turning it into an audio book for me I would really benefit from that.
...when I posted my run it took me to 108 in fetch though - get in there!
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