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Tim in Belgium
24-08-11, 09:36 PM
Boshed out a nice 20km tonight, although a fair bit was spent dodging Reading Festival goers!
Tim in Belgium
31-08-11, 08:40 PM
Woop woop, 1004 miles this year, just broke the thousand mark this evening with an 11km run after an hour of cycling in the Chilterns.
Coast to Coast to Coast here we come!!!
Blimey - it has been a long while since I was here...nice to see you all plugging away with some top notch running!
I managed a 2.6 miles run last night (slowly) and can barely walk today...
Milky Bar Kid
01-09-11, 12:12 PM
I so need to get back out but my frame of mind isn't the best at the minute so I am kinda lacking in motivation. Need the proverbial boot out....
Book yourself in for a race MBK! There is one soon in D&G.
Milky Bar Kid
01-09-11, 12:23 PM
lol! Where? D&G is a big place!!!
True it is...
http://www.dumfriesharriers.co.uk/mabie-trail-race
Milky Bar Kid
01-09-11, 12:38 PM
Thanks but not a chance I could run 10k in 7 days time, work as well. Hoping to run a 10k in November tho. Just gotta get my finger out and train for it now!
There is a parkrun is Glasgow, but that's about 40 ish miles from you I think.
Milky Bar Kid
01-09-11, 12:44 PM
There is a parkrun is Glasgow, but that's about 40 ish miles from you I think.
Haha! You're having a laugh! It's a 2 n a half hour drive from here to Glasgow!
oh that's out then, can't you put the blue lights on and get there quicker?
www.dumfriesrunningclub.org.uk
Milky Bar Kid
01-09-11, 01:01 PM
Dumfries is about 70 miles away from me! Theres nowt much out my way except the 10k in November. My physio has told me that she doesn't recommend I do much more than a 10k road race as my knees are not the greatest but I will see how I get on an consider doing the half marathon at the beginning of the year.
Where are you then? For some reason I thought you were near Dumfries.
Milky Bar Kid
01-09-11, 01:06 PM
No, I am a lot further west than Dumfries. I am in D&G though.
Milky Bar Kid
01-09-11, 07:56 PM
Just been n done a mile n a half. Wasn't anything like decent pace. Just gotta keep ploddin on!
Tim in Belgium
07-09-11, 06:32 AM
Blog available if anyone wants to follow my c2c2c antics:
www.c2c2ctimhurford.blogspot.com
timwilky
07-09-11, 07:08 AM
You lot make me sick.
OK I am 51 and not run since cross country at school 36 years ago.
So I am old and fat and the doc a month ago says exercise.
so no problems, trainers on and off I set. FFS I am knackered after 200 yards.
After 2 weeks I abandon taking the dog with me as he wants to go off sniffing and other doggy business. I always go the same route and try each day to add a few more yards.
Well today victory, I jogged from gate to gate as in no stroll home. So just over a mile. Now I need to add to my route.
You know I didn't even mind doing it in the rain yesterday morning.
Milky Bar Kid
07-09-11, 07:45 AM
Well done Tim, thats awesome work!
Milky Bar Kid
07-09-11, 11:27 AM
Yay! My new Saucony's have arrived!
Tim that is awesome!! Good for you, managing to do it consistently is something I havent managed =D>
Trying to keep to a set program now even if it is a step backwards, in an attempt to have an injury free few months I am doing the couch to 10k. Hopefully the constantly changing weeks will keep me focused into maintaining some sort of exercise pattern.
Tim in Belgium
13-09-11, 07:29 PM
My c2c2c blog has been updated, I hope to get the first two days running written up this evening too....
http://c2c2ctimhurford.blogspot.com/
"Only" 4 more days running to go!
Tim in Belgium
19-09-11, 06:23 PM
Finished the run on Saturday :)
Legs are still tired though! Especially around the ankles...
MisterTommyH
21-09-11, 10:29 PM
I've just remembered that I entered for the Birmingham Half (which is in 4 weeks), but have been lazy and not done any training.......and by that I mean absolutely nothing for ages, core strength now seriously lacking and back down to over 10 minutes miles.
Am I asking too much to try and get up to scratch in time? And by that I just mean getting round....not looking for a decent time or anything.
The Idle Biker
06-11-11, 10:04 PM
Bit bored tonight, so I just registered for the Barcelona half marathon in February 2012. No idea wtf I'm doing it for actually.
Still something to look forward to after Christmas.
The Idle Biker
13-12-11, 01:33 PM
I've just remembered that I entered for the Birmingham Half (which is in 4 weeks), but have been lazy and not done any training.......and by that I mean absolutely nothing for ages, core strength now seriously lacking and back down to over 10 minutes miles.
Am I asking too much to try and get up to scratch in time? And by that I just mean getting round....not looking for a decent time or anything.
Well how did you get on Tommy?
Ive not run properly in ages, knacke my achilles in Feb and its been intermittent at best ever since tbh, just been out and done 2,5 miles and it was painfully slooooow :)
Giving up smoking & somehow been tricked into doing a half or full marathon, possibly in late May.
I have a reasonable state of fitness, play football alot.
6ft, 13stone/80kgs ish, big frame (naturally broad/big).
Never been for runs much more than 5 miles, they would be at around a 9-10minute mile pace.
What should I be looking at doing to get some serious training in?
I have a gym membership and a whole city I can run around.
I also need new running shoes, but they will have to wait till payday on the 27th, any recommendations?
Cheers,
Sally :) x
From the sounds of things you're in good starting shape for a half marathon. With a base level of fitness and the body used to running around for football I think you'll just need to do some training runs that gradually build up your body's tolerance to running. There are many guides on the web, find one from what you judge to be a reputable source and take a look. That's if you just want to finish. If you want to improve your speed then you'll probably need to be adding in some additional training that I'm sure others can provide background on.
Couple of other points: don't try to run too far too quick. Your body can adjust on a cardio vascular level far faster than a joint\muscle\tendon\lilgament level. So even if you feel fine with your inital 2,3,4,5 mile runs, don't be tempted to skip them and or run longer. If you want to make them more challenging run faster or vary your speed or go up and down hills\cross country. The typical advice is to do a long run (near full distance) before you attempt the half, make sure this is at least two weeks before the actual run. When it gets to the day, make sure you've eaten plenty of carbs the day before (even the day before that) and something, but not too much the morning of the run. Then go out steady, get into rhythm and enjoy!
If you're looking to do a marathon then it's a completely different story. Far more preparation and training and not something I can comment on.
Good luck.
(All the above imho)
http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/racing/rws-10-week-150-plus-half-marathon-schedules/99.html
What do you guys think of that?
Well, I'm back running, been taking it easy and not killing the distance or time just slowly building it all back up and fingers crossed its working, the achilles is till a bit tender but nowhere as bad as it was before so fingers crossed, got 4 halfs lined for this year so far, fleetwood, oxford, humber bridge and hopefully the GNR so something to look forward to, I'm trying to raise a bit of money for these guys http://www.216squadron.com/ but dont worry I'm not asking for anything from you all ;)
Milky Bar Kid
13-02-12, 06:47 PM
Oucheeeeeee! Went out and did 2 miles, 25 mins. Slow and had to walk once or twice but bugger me my calves are tight again. I try stretching them gently but they just seem to get really tight, really quick. Any ideas anyone?
Try and get a sports massage, worth it apparently
The Idle Biker
13-02-12, 07:25 PM
Deep heat! Tried and tested, keep gently stretching though.
Milky Bar Kid
14-02-12, 09:34 AM
Stewie, been there, done that. Just end up at square one again though. Idle, can't use deep heat, makes my skin flare up!
Stewie, been there, done that. Just end up at square one again though. Idle, can't use deep heat, makes my skin flare up!
You might find something to help you here MBK
http://www.fetcheveryone.com/viewtopic.php?id=49002&page=1
http://www.fetcheveryone.com/viewtopic.php?id=48399&page=1
HTH
Edit: just wondering, are you using new shoes or anything ? I got some new mizunos last year and found I was getting tight calves and cramps at first, turned out I was tending to turn my toes down whilst running, bit like when you wear flip flps, soon as I realised I was doing it it stopped almost immediately, might be worth popping along to a specialist running store and getting a gait anaylis on a treadmill
check these out
http://scottishrunningguide.com/running_shops_in_scotland.php
Milky Bar Kid
14-02-12, 07:51 PM
Cheers Stewie. Gonna nip to Dumfries and get my gait done at some point.
The Idle Biker
16-02-12, 12:43 PM
Next Sunday, I'm lucky enough (?) to be running the Barcelona Half Marathon.
To date my longest run this year has been 4 miles.
I have two hopes of finishing it well if at all, Bob Hope and No Hope.
Just going to have to enjoy the Tapas.
Next Sunday, I'm lucky enough (?) to be running the Barcelona Half Marathon.
To date my longest run this year has been 4 miles.
I have two hopes of finishing it well if at all, Bob Hope and No Hope.
Just going to have to enjoy the Tapas.
Good luck mate, you'll probably do better than you think :)
Milky Bar Kid
17-02-12, 10:06 AM
Next Sunday, I'm lucky enough (?) to be running the Barcelona Half Marathon.
To date my longest run this year has been 4 miles.
I have two hopes of finishing it well if at all, Bob Hope and No Hope.
Just going to have to enjoy the Tapas.
Good luck!
The Idle Biker
18-02-12, 08:56 AM
Thanks, I did 9.5 miles last night on the way home from work last night. Trouble is I went straight to the pub after. One does get smashed quick when one is dehydrated. Am now majorly hungover....:smt087:smt087:smt087
Thanks, I did 9.5 miles last night on the way home from work last night. Trouble is I went straight to the pub after. One does get smashed quick when one is dehydrated. Am now majorly hungover....:smt087:smt087:smt087
Just call it a hash run and you'll be right ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_House_Harriers
Tim in Belgium
23-02-12, 06:23 PM
Just had an ace evening run, ankles seem fine and my pace is back, happy days :D
The Idle Biker
23-02-12, 08:52 PM
Please send me your ankle medicine. I'm in Barcelona for the half marathon on Sunday, supping Rioja in the apartment, just about to go out on the town. Ankle is cream crackered. Wine takes away the pain, maybe I could do the run pished?
Hey now we have a plan.....
Tim in Belgium
25-02-12, 12:42 AM
Mainly red wine and rest, followed by a spot of running, and the odd cycle ride.
The Idle Biker
26-02-12, 07:52 PM
Barca half marathon. Done. Knackered. Ankle feels smashed to bits but I really enjoyed the experience even though some of the course was all boring tatty backstreets. Think I did it in just under 1hr 50, which is a bit meh, but OK considering all my excuses ;-)
Wine is helping with the recovery programme. Walking to the top of Parc Montjuic to the Olympic stadium this afternoon after the run, didn't help at all. (Mont is mountain, what a surprise). Neither did all the walking round the shops I had to do, either.
Barcelona, is by the way, the most fantastic City I've ever been to. Absolutely outstanding in every way. Probably worthy of more elaboration but I'm not Alan Whicker. If you love Cafe/ Restaurant culture, friendly people, relaxed atmosphere, hardly any traffic comparatively, and loads to see then spend some time here.
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd400/IdleBiker/Public/Barcahalf.jpg
Tim in Belgium
26-02-12, 07:55 PM
Congratulations!
Milky Bar Kid
19-04-12, 04:49 PM
Aaargh! I have been signed up to do a half marathon with some guys at work on 2nd June but I haven't done ANY training yet. PANIC STATIONS.
Doesn't take me long to get my fitness on the increase but does anyone have any tips??
PS - off out now to try n do a couple of miles. Wish me luck!
I really should unsubcribe from this thread... :(
Nic sent you a linky on fb .. I´m on week 4 or something like that.
Milky Bar Kid
21-04-12, 10:37 AM
Thanks Anna, I may have to skip a few weeks of it if I am to fit it all in...lol!
JamesMio
07-05-12, 11:14 PM
Evening pavemount pounders, hope you're all well...
*Disclaimer alert - this is to do with my work stuff... *
I'm working with a company that's developing a rather nifty wee product for runners / joggers etc - would any of you guys mind me running a few ideas/suggestions etc past you as market research type stuff..?
I can't go into much detail yet, as it's all very hush-hush but it looks like a pretty cool little bit of kit if it all goes to plan...
EssexDave
07-05-12, 11:59 PM
As long as we're top of the ones to trial sure :p
Didn't know there was a running thread. Used to run myself, but had to stop due to a medical condition. Ran a few 10K races, nothing too fancy but enjoyed it when I could run.
Just checked the sale section on here,,it's only bike stuff, so if you know anyone who wants a Garmin Forerunner 405, just let me know, will list it on EBay soon.
If its an anti joggers nipple device I'm in :)
EssexDave
14-05-12, 02:06 PM
So had my marathon yesterday, didn't realise when I signed up that it was so damn hilly!
I managed 17 miles, which given I only had 3 weeks training I'd quite pleased with.
Not too sure today, but a couple of blisters.
Going to keep running as it's actually really enjoyable! Probably cut down on the distance though and aim to do about 12 miles a week.
One nutter at the marathon ran the route twice...
Thats good going with only 3 weeks training under your belt.
I would say to let the blisters heal up before you keep going as you now have the time, perhaps go and get some new running shoes?
EssexDave
14-05-12, 02:24 PM
I actually bought some running shoes after having my gait analysed and they are super comfy but brand new so hoping they just need to be worn in a bit to prevent the blisters (and also as a cyclist I have soft feet I guess!)
I used 1000 mile socks and bodyglide stuff.
Letting the blisters heal before I run again - don't enjoy pain that much!
416 pages!? Strewth. Just started jogging with the missus as part of her exercise to get fit for a 3-peaks challenge. Haven't done any running since school so doing interval running at the moment til we build up endurance.
Out of curiosity, does everyone run on their heels or toes?
I actually bought some running shoes after having my gait analysed and they are super comfy but brand new so hoping they just need to be worn in a bit to prevent the blisters (and also as a cyclist I have soft feet I guess!)
I used 1000 mile socks and bodyglide stuff.
Letting the blisters heal before I run again - don't enjoy pain that much!
Get some iodine, a needle and thread. Soak the thread in iodine and then puncture the blister with the needle. Drain the fluid and then push the needle into the blister and out again. Pull the thread through the holes. It'll sting like hell for a few seconds but it will also harden the soft skin under the blister and help it heal so much quicker.
I used to 'prep' my feet before a run by rubbing iodine into them. It hardens the skin and helps prevent blisters.
Another alternative to keep you running whilst you have blisters is to use Compeed plasters. If I am ever doing long distance runs, then I make sure I have a couple with me. Start feeling any 'hot spots', then stop and put the plaster over the spot.
EssexDave
16-05-12, 10:34 PM
Get some iodine, a needle and thread. Soak the thread in iodine and then puncture the blister with the needle. Drain the fluid and then push the needle into the blister and out again. Pull the thread through the holes. It'll sting like hell for a few seconds but it will also harden the soft skin under the blister and help it heal so much quicker.
I used to 'prep' my feet before a run by rubbing iodine into them. It hardens the skin and helps prevent blisters.
Another alternative to keep you running whilst you have blisters is to use Compeed plasters. If I am ever doing long distance runs, then I make sure I have a couple with me. Start feeling any 'hot spots', then stop and put the plaster over the spot.
Will give it a go. Cheers.
Spank86
17-05-12, 10:37 AM
I try to run 10k every weekend, preferably with as few hills as possible. Usually manage low 50's/high 40's depending on the day.
I've no idea about running on heels or balls of my feet, Both I expect.
Completed the Baker Hughes 10K on Sunday!
Finished with a time of 44:45 which I am happy with!
Considering a still need to lose a stone, stop smoking and do any training! Haha
Played a game of football on Saturday did not help!
Just need to keep it up!
That's a terrific time! Nice one :)
394 out of ~4000, definitely happy with that ;)
Cheers lad!
EssexDave
21-05-12, 05:15 PM
Good effort! I'm doing a 10k in October.
After my dissmal marathon attempt (was far too hilly, not enough training and only managed 17 miles) I'm hoping for a sub 45 time. It is relatively flat but my first run of 10k was a 1 hour 1 minute to work run (my first run in years).
I'm looking for plans at the minute to get this time down a bit, any tips? (Other than quitting smoking)
Spank86
21-05-12, 05:42 PM
I've done a couple of 10k's and my best time was 48. I weigh less than 10stone but am hampered by a lack of any appreciable muscles.
Not sure I can give you guys any tips, unless "run faster" helps?
EssexDave
21-05-12, 06:36 PM
I've done a couple of 10k's and my best time was 48. I weigh less than 10stone but am hampered by a lack of any appreciable muscles.
Not sure I can give you guys any tips, unless "run faster" helps?
:thumbsup: never thought of that one :p
Spank86
21-05-12, 07:00 PM
In fairness I tried that once and it didn't work out so well. Put in a storming start and then it all went wrong at 3k, finished in 53mins.
EssexDave.. to bring your time down is really in the training, if you are specifically training for speed rather then distance try Fartlek training. [Essentially it is sprinting then jogging throughout your training runs]
Get yourself over to runners world or similar website to get more indepth info on it to tailor it for your needs though.
allantheboss
09-06-12, 03:57 PM
GURUS!
Can someone recommend me a running shoe? I do around 7 miles around a lake, mostly tarmac several times a week. My price limit is about £40 but I'm more keen on the value-for-money bit, so a £100 pair for just £20 is my dream (for example).
Can someone recommend something? I'm size 12. I was looking here:
http://www.sportsdirect.com/mens/mens-running-shoes
which I like because I can arrange from "Highest savings" to lowest, but I'm getting brands like Everlast and Karrimor and don't know if they're any good.
Thanks in advance!
hi all, It's been a good while since I poked my nose in here. I nipped out for my first run in about 12 months.
It felt like meeting an old friend, I totally loved it. :-)
GURUS!
Can someone recommend me a running shoe? I do around 7 miles around a lake, mostly tarmac several times a week. My price limit is about £40 but I'm more keen on the value-for-money bit, so a £100 pair for just £20 is my dream (for example).
Can someone recommend something? I'm size 12. I was looking here:
http://www.sportsdirect.com/mens/mens-running-shoes
which I like because I can arrange from "Highest savings" to lowest, but I'm getting brands like Everlast and Karrimor and don't know if they're any good.
Thanks in advance!
Best advice I ever got was to find a running store than can do good gait analysis, usually by videoing you on a specially adapted treadmill. The best I ever had was in the Asics store in London where they measured and analysed everything before selling me a perfectly suited running shoe.
Even if you end up spending a little more, a properly fitted shoe will save you pain and injury in the long term.
Milky Bar Kid
25-07-12, 12:35 PM
Best advice I ever got was to find a running store than can do good gait analysis, usually by videoing you on a specially adapted treadmill. The best I ever had was in the Asics store in London where they measured and analysed everything before selling me a perfectly suited running shoe.
Even if you end up spending a little more, a properly fitted shoe will save you pain and injury in the long term.
I was quite interested to see the panorama prorgam about sports industry n they refuted this, saying it's a marketing strategy and that we may be doing more harm than good by "over supporting" our feet - making us more prone to injury. Little bit chicken and egg. Shows worth a watch if its still on iplayer.
I was quite interested to see the panorama prorgam about sports industry n they refuted this, saying it's a marketing strategy and that we may be doing more harm than good by "over supporting" our feet - making us more prone to injury. Little bit chicken and egg. Shows worth a watch if its still on iplayer.
Thats the funny thing about science, it can always be challenged. There are people that claim wearing shoes is bad for us, there are others that claim the opposite.
All I know is, if you are a (training) shoe wearing believer, you need to use a shoe that is suited to your physiological needs. Don't just use any old training shoe. You may get away with it, but then again you may not. Wearing the correct shoe, and previously the incorrect shoe, for me made the difference between a running injury or not.
Up to you to take the choice.
Milky Bar Kid
25-07-12, 02:51 PM
Thats the funny thing about science, it can always be challenged. There are people that claim wearing shoes is bad for us, there are others that claim the opposite.
All I know is, if you are a (training) shoe wearing believer, you need to use a shoe that is suited to your physiological needs. Don't just use any old training shoe. You may get away with it, but then again you may not. Wearing the correct shoe, and previously the incorrect shoe, for me made the difference between a running injury or not.
Up to you to take the choice.
I wasn't criticising your advice, just thought it was interesting. Was about sports drinks n stuff too.
I wasn't criticising your advice, just thought it was interesting. Was about sports drinks n stuff too.
no problem, I didnt take as criticism either. I've yet to watch that programme, but if I've learnt anything lately its not to take any point of view as gospel. There are always alternative theories and underlying influences.
MisterTommyH
18-10-12, 08:40 PM
Any one still running?
Got to say I kind of agree with the comments on how too much support can do damage. Not sure about how that fits in with over pronators but I've just been getting back into it and my heavily cushioned neutral shoes were giving me a hell of a lot of trouble at the bottom of my back.
Switched to slightly older, neutral, minimal cushioned shoes and all problems went almost straight away.
Thread resurrect!? :p
Im running the Bath half Marathon this sunday (3rd June) have only just seen that this wonderful forum even has a running thread!
Ill post in here how i get on which, should be interesting as ive just been diagnosed with a torn rotor cuff (shoulder)
:D
Dabteacake
28-02-13, 03:36 PM
Just on a back to fitness program at the minute. I had a bad case of heat stroke about 6 months ago ( taken quite seriously in the army) been running about 4 miles in 30 minutes and going from there! Nice to see people with a interest in running/jogging
Nice to see this thread up and running again. Last year was a bit of a wash out only managed 278 miles. Hoping to do 1500 this year.have entered the might contain nuts Brecon ultra in December . What's every one else up to
No work today, so a nice steady 12 miles over the hills
Anybody into adventure racing?
Not quite yet!!
Bath half in less than 24 Hrs
Wish me luuuuck!!
chrism156
03-03-13, 10:45 PM
Hi I average 20-30 miles a week depending on how much time I have spare! Anyone on here doing the great north run this year? I am doing it would be good to meet a few of you on the day.
Milky Bar Kid
30-07-13, 06:41 PM
Have we all got fat and given up running now??
still running. looking at entering the Wye Valley marathon in September, bit of a warm up before December
Milky Bar Kid
30-07-13, 07:23 PM
That's some running. I have a bit of a notion of a marathon although will need to get my base fitness back up before I contemplate that!
I did my first organised 10km the other week ialong the Thames in Richmond! Was really pleased to have done it and get my first ever medal :) Doing another in September in Richmond park. Just working on trying to bring down my time of 54mins right now.
The trouble is it gets addictive, it starts with a 5 k then a 10k, before you know it you are running marathons. Then you start thinking can I go further. On the bright side the more you run the more you can eat and drink.lol
The trouble is it gets addictive, it starts with a 5 k then a 10k, before you know it you are running marathons. Then you start thinking can I go further. On the bright side the more you run the more you can eat and drink.lol
Yeah a mate does marathons and I asked him if he had thought about doing a triathlon. I was surprised when he replied he was more intent on doing an ultra marathon! :eek:
ClunkintheUK
31-07-13, 12:48 PM
The trouble is it gets addictive, it starts with a 5 k then a 10k, before you know it you are running marathons. Then you start thinking can I go further. On the bright side the more you run the more you can eat and drink.lol
It does completely. I've not been able to get out running and not been cycling to work for about a year now (change of job, no showers at work), and my girlfriend has noticed that I am much more ranty and touchy. With that, gotta get out for a run this evening.
right.... maybe this is my incentive to get out again. I love(d) running and never seem to find the time now.
Tonight I will be out to see if my legs still work :-)
I use Endomondo to track my runs and I find it motivates me seeing others being active.
ClunkintheUK
31-07-13, 12:55 PM
I have to admit it was reading the book born to run that has got me wanting to run again. I remember a couple of runs where i had to push through a couple of miles that really hurt then I settled into it more for some reason and came out the other side faster and feeling really really good.
WicklowSV
01-08-13, 09:35 AM
Have just been getting myself back in the habit of stepping out for a run every other evening. Had a bit of an off on my mtb which left me with a collapsed lung and broken hand. With that now mostly sorted I want to get back to where I was fitness-wise at the beginning of May (when I came off). As has been mentioned, I get moany and tetchy if not out reasonably regularly for eith a cycle or run. Maybe thats why she keeps buying me running kit!!
Milky Bar Kid
01-08-13, 06:47 PM
I stopped about a year ago following being told I needed surgery for my knee. I tried to start again in February and then it all went to pot. Been out twice this week, trying the Zombies, Run! 5K training first and then I'll try the local 10k race this November.
5k = 3miles 180 odd yards
10k = 6 miles 360 odd yards
you make it sound a lot but i used to do this http://goo.gl/maps/fdjEE 3 times a week when i was younger and fitter.
as well as doing this http://goo.gl/maps/PYMwp there and back every day.
now i cant walk to the shops that are 150yds round the corner :-(
Milky Bar Kid
01-08-13, 10:20 PM
Yeh. Way to blow someone's confidence to shred.
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