View Full Version : Gripe of the day - What is yours?
svenrico
17-11-21, 08:31 PM
[QUOTE=Craig380;3133343]The words of Nye Bevan ring ever more true:
"What is Toryism but organised spivvery?"
Nice one. Seems to becoming ever more apparent these days.
svenrico
17-11-21, 08:35 PM
Your insurance company will not want to know. If you have windscreen cover it will be outsourced to one of the major suppliers, like Autoglass, and they'll tell you to speak directly to them if you try. Technically your insurance company takes the premium from you and you are therefore their customer but I tried that and basically wasted my breath.
For a lot of cars you will almost certainly want to go the insurance route in any case. I was quoted over £500 when I tried to source a fix of my own following yet another no-show by Autoglass. The heated screen in my Ford is excellent on a frosty morning but that plus the mount for the traffic sign recognition camera behind the rear view mirror makes for a flipping expensive replacement.
Yes, I know you need to pay the £60 excess or whatever through an insurance claim ,and the insurance company specify the windscreen repair company that has to be used, but a complaint to the insurance company or broker can't do any harm.
svenrico
17-11-21, 08:50 PM
Home service contract. I have emergency repair cover with British Gas for central heating, plumbing. electrics, drains and annual boiler service. The contract is for annual boiler service which I take to mean once in 12 months. The thing is they overrun the 12 months and can't fit me in until January next year which will be 17 months since they last serviced it. The excuse being they have had a lot of call outs to vulnerable customers. I would have expected they should have the capacity to cater for emergency call outs and annual services ,otherwise what is the point of having an annual service contract, you might as well arrange your own heating engineer about 6 months in advance which should be enough notice ! Surely they aren't fulfilling their contract ?! I used BG because they have their own engineers but I think they are starting to change that by sub letting work.
ps another point is the idea of regular maintenance is to hopefully avoid a breakdown. If it broke down I would have to pay £60 excess to call them out (and they would probably then say they couldn't get spare parts and write it off !)
It is getting harder to keep up:
Government can now strip people of their citizenship without warning. (I assume that must only apply to dual citizenship people, else it would be illegal).
HS3 scrapped (breaking another manifesto promise).
Social care cap watered down (benefiting well-off pensioners, but not poorer ones)
MPs second job plan also watered down and "punishment" becomes vague if they spend too much time on it. (Labour's plan was defeated).
Home service contract. I have emergency repair cover with British Gas for central heating, plumbing. electrics, drains and annual boiler service. The contract is for annual boiler service which I take to mean once in 12 months. The thing is they overrun the 12 months and can't fit me in until January next year which will be 17 months since they last serviced it. The excuse being they have had a lot of call outs to vulnerable customers. I would have expected they should have the capacity to cater for emergency call outs and annual services ,otherwise what is the point of having an annual service contract, you might as well arrange your own heating engineer about 6 months in advance which should be enough notice ! Surely they aren't fulfilling their contract ?! I used BG because they have their own engineers but I think they are starting to change that by sub letting work.
ps another point is the idea of regular maintenance is to hopefully avoid a breakdown. If it broke down I would have to pay £60 excess to call them out (and they would probably then say they couldn't get spare parts and write it off !)
your better off with your home insurance company adding it on as extras. BG as a bunch of awipes of the biggest order.
a boiler service is around £100 from your local plumber. have you thought about a contract with your council (they dont just serve council house tenants) to service your boiler, it will be a lot cheaper than a contract from BG.
It is getting harder to keep up:
Government can now strip people of their citizenship without warning. (I assume that must only apply to dual citizenship people, else it would be illegal).
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Part 1 Section 9 of
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-02/0187/210187v1.pdf
It's steeped in legalese (as you would expect) with cross references to the British Nationality Act 1981 (which I haven't waded through). It would appear that that the Home Secretary is awarding themselves powers which essentially make them judge jury and executioner. There appear to be means of appeal but if someone hasn't been informed of the decision by the Home Secretary I'm not sure how you are expected to start an appeal. This is one for the lawyers, maybe I should engage Mr.Cox at £900/hr.
We are getting towards the thicker part of the wedge, we went past the thin end some time ago ............
dont blame your government for the way the public vote. lets face it we know the torries are all out to get what they or their mates can so why do the English public keep voting them into power????
the rest of the union gets dragged down by the majority single member. if we really are stronger together then its about time we had a more representative voting system.
dont blame your government for the way the public vote. .......
I take your point, but it's a bit like saying you shouldn't blame Hitler for the way the German people voted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1933_German_federal_election
I happen to agree with your sentiment regarding how/why the people of England voted for Johnson, and yes they voted for the "Get Brexit Done" slogan and Johnson the cheerful clown rather than a particular candidate, it's the way populism works and Cummings et al (the brains behind the front man) were well versed and successful in the art.
It doesn't excuse the creeping power grab and disrespect for parliamentary democracy and decency. The way things are progressing it does look a bit like the wheels might come off by the time of the next general election, the reality might just have dawned by then, but then again there's no predicting whether the flock will actually wake up or will fall for the same old lines again. I wouldn't like to predict it. 70 million people voted for Trump second time round.
dont blame your government for the way the public vote. lets face it we know the torries are all out to get what they or their mates can so why do the English public keep voting them into power????
the rest of the union gets dragged down by the majority single member. if we really are stronger together then its about time we had a more representative voting system.
Of course we should blame the government if they put promises in their manifesto and then break them.
No new taxes (a stupid promise) but broken
Triple lock on pensions (another stupid idea) and broken
HS3 (now makes HS2 less credible) but a promise broken
The public don't pay attention to politics until it either directly affects them or MPs are perceived to be working to different rules, then the outcry starts. (as in the expenses debacle).
Our governments are frequently elected by the personality of the leader and the Conservatives are brilliant (mostly) at picking PMs that tell people what they want to hear. Boris is a Pollyanna character and people respond to this (misplaced) excessive optimism - they don't want to hear about the problems with the NI Protocol they want the "oven ready deal" to fix everything when "Brexit gets done" (for example).
What most didn't expect was for our Prime Minister to run away and hide when difficult questions need answers.
My neighbour kept telling me: " I don't like Corbyn". When asked why, she said: "There's something about him". I asked if she'd looked at his policies and, of course, she hadn't. When I mentioned some of the ideas he had, she thought they were a good idea but still wouldn't vote for him.
BoZo told us we were getting a land of milk and honey and people believed - that's the problem. If something sounds too good to be true, it generally is. We elected a clown and got a circus. (as you may have surmised, I didn't vote for them).
Most of our media leans right and they are superb at destroying the left wing parties/candidates (although left alone they do a pretty good job themselves).
First past the post electoral system is a disaster.
chris8886
18-11-21, 11:43 PM
First past the post electoral system is a disaster.
And you think the proportional representation idea of the Lib Dem's is better? Because it wouldn't be, we'd get even less done as a government/country because there just be even more arguing, bickering and the like trying to come to an agreement that all are prepared to go along with. You have to rule by majority and if you don't like what happens in that time campaign to change it the next time voting comes round and vote a different way.
svenrico
19-11-21, 12:17 AM
BoZo told us we were getting a land of milk and honey and people believed - that's the problem. If something sounds too good to be true, it generally is.
They certainly did that with Brexit which is becoming exactly the opposite! :mad:
And you think the proportional representation idea of the Lib Dem's is better?
Yes, because it would reintroduce the terms: negotiation, compromise and moderation. Hopefully ethics would come along for the ride.
We are experiencing an 80 seat ruling majority right now and may not have an entire country by the time it's over. We have a government tearing up the rule book that has been in place for years to hide their illicit actions and introducing rules that will enable them to (more easily) win the next election. This government is drifting so far to the right they can no longer see the centre with a telescope.
I'd prefer some system of checks and balances to stop a right or left wing government introducing policy changes that follow their political ideals rather than what is good for the country as a whole. I want a government that plans 10, 15 or 20 years ahead not one that is only interested in plans to win the next election. The current system guarantees this will never happen. (but this is only my opinion).
Luckypants
19-11-21, 09:22 AM
Yes, because it would reintroduce the terms: negotiation, compromise and moderation. Hopefully ethics would come along for the ride.
We are experiencing an 80 seat ruling majority right now and may not have an entire country by the time it's over. We have a government tearing up the rule book that has been in place for years to hide their illicit actions and introducing rules that will enable them to (more easily) win the next election. This government is drifting so far to the right they can no longer see the centre with a telescope.
I'd prefer some system of checks and balances to stop a right or left wing government introducing policy changes that follow their political ideals rather than what is good for the country as a whole. I want a government that plans 10, 15 or 20 years ahead not one that is only interested in plans to win the next election. The current system guarantees this will never happen. (but this is only my opinion).
This needs a "LIKE" button!
Well said.
garynortheast
19-11-21, 10:13 AM
Yes, because it would reintroduce the terms: negotiation, compromise and moderation. Hopefully ethics would come along for the ride.
We are experiencing an 80 seat ruling majority right now and may not have an entire country by the time it's over. We have a government tearing up the rule book that has been in place for years to hide their illicit actions and introducing rules that will enable them to (more easily) win the next election. This government is drifting so far to the right they can no longer see the centre with a telescope.
I'd prefer some system of checks and balances to stop a right or left wing government introducing policy changes that follow their political ideals rather than what is good for the country as a whole. I want a government that plans 10, 15 or 20 years ahead not one that is only interested in plans to win the next election. The current system guarantees this will never happen. (but this is only my opinion).
Yep, absolutely. We need something to stop this frankly terrifying slide to the far right.
If the rest of Parliament has no trust in this Government, has a 'vote of no confidence' been put through, or applied?
Hell, put it to the public and i'm sure they'd get a resounding majority vote.
svenrico
19-11-21, 05:30 PM
I'd prefer some system of checks and balances to stop a right or left wing government introducing policy changes that follow their political ideals rather than what is good for the country as a whole. I want a government that plans 10, 15 or 20 years ahead not one that is only interested in plans to win the next election. The current system guarantees this will never happen. (but this is only my opinion).
No it isn't ,it's my opinion as well :)
svenrico
19-11-21, 05:31 PM
This needs a "LIKE" button!
Well said.
Hear, hear.
svenrico
19-11-21, 05:33 PM
Yep, absolutely. We need something to stop this frankly terrifying slide to the far right.
Don't know about right or left ,it is just unethical ,if not corrupt !
i very much doubt that any political party wants to be leading the country right now.
i can predict that vat and income tax rates will go up considerably next april's budget. the uk is skint hence all the money grabbing corruption at the top level in the Gov.
remember that Scotland had a 98% SNP majority in Holyrood at one point and it seemed to do well. not bad for a political party that used to huddle round an oil drum fire at the bottom of Calton Hill in the 90's. change can happen....
chris8886
19-11-21, 11:48 PM
Yes, because it would reintroduce the terms: negotiation, compromise and moderation. Hopefully ethics would come along for the ride.
We are experiencing an 80 seat ruling majority right now and may not have an entire country by the time it's over. We have a government tearing up the rule book that has been in place for years to hide their illicit actions and introducing rules that will enable them to (more easily) win the next election. This government is drifting so far to the right they can no longer see the centre with a telescope.
I'd prefer some system of checks and balances to stop a right or left wing government introducing policy changes that follow their political ideals rather than what is good for the country as a whole. I want a government that plans 10, 15 or 20 years ahead not one that is only interested in plans to win the next election. The current system guarantees this will never happen. (but this is only my opinion).
This is your point of view and you're most welcome to it, whether I agree with it or not, but please don't snip out my reasoning for not having proportional representation when quoting me. I feel that it paints what I have said in a poorer way with no reason given.
svenrico
20-11-21, 12:32 AM
i very much doubt that any political party wants to be leading the country right now.
i can predict that vat and income tax rates will go up considerably next april's budget. the uk is skint hence all the money grabbing corruption at the top level in the Gov.
remember that Scotland had a 98% SNP majority in Holyrood at one point and it seemed to do well. not bad for a political party that used to huddle round an oil drum fire at the bottom of Calton Hill in the 90's. change can happen....
I should think inflation will go through the roof.
This is your point of view and you're most welcome to it, whether I agree with it or not, but please don't snip out my reasoning for not having proportional representation when quoting me. I feel that it paints what I have said in a poorer way with no reason given.
ok, here's your full quote
And you think the proportional representation idea of the Lib Dem's is better? Because it wouldn't be, we'd get even less done as a government/country because there just be even more arguing, bickering and the like trying to come to an agreement that all are prepared to go along with. You have to rule by majority and if you don't like what happens in that time campaign to change it the next time voting comes round and vote a different way.
We have no long term experience of two (or more parties) ruling together, nor do we have any experience of proportional representation. The Con/LibDem pact was a coalition that did modify the more extreme Conservative behaviour - the glaring failure was the student loan promise by Clegg. We have had 300 odd years of people shouting across the Commons floor at each other (hear, hear!) maybe PR would stop the shouting and enable some constructive listening. The current government is highlighting the failures of our system by exploiting its weaknesses for idealogical gains not for what is beneficial for the country.
The problem with first past the post is the fact that the "losers" in an election have no representation plus we get politics that tend towards more extremes. Look how the Tories started to panic at the rise of the Brexit party and started their drift to the right. When ministers played by their "unwritten rules" (Code of Conduct - hah!) it sort of worked but in the current situation the rules are being broken with no way of correcting it because the rule breakers are setting the (new) rules.
I'm in a Conservative constituency (Cleethorpes and Brigg). 73k electorate, 63% turnout. So 46k people voted, 32k voted Tory/14k voted for other parties (where's their voice?) my MP always votes for the party (I have checked) even when he agrees with what I'm saying - how am I being represented? Plainly, I'm not. He's 71 years old and has views that represent the 1950s (Martin Vickers - check his voting record) - most people vote for him because he has a nice avuncular face but have no idea of how he votes (I've asked around).
A PR system would give 14k people in the example above a voice where currently, they have none and, judging by prior voting records, never will have. How many times have you heard: "What's the point of voting, it never makes a difference? In my case it's true (but I vote anyway), it would take an egregious government screw up to overthrow Vicker's majority.
Edit - PR is the most common electoral system worldwide so, plainly, it can work.
Chris_SVS
20-11-21, 09:43 AM
ok, here's your full quote
We have no long term experience of two (or more parties) ruling together, nor do we have any experience of proportional representation. The Con/LibDem pact was a coalition that did modify the more extreme Conservative behaviour - the glaring failure was the student loan promise by Clegg. We have had 300 odd years of people shouting across the Commons floor at each other (hear, hear!) maybe PR would stop the shouting and enable some constructive listening. The current government is highlighting the failures of our system by exploiting its weaknesses for idealogical gains not for what is beneficial for the country.
The problem with first past the post is the fact that the "losers" in an election have no representation plus we get politics that tend towards more extremes. Look how the Tories started to panic at the rise of the Brexit party and started their drift to the right. When ministers played by their "unwritten rules" (Code of Conduct - hah!) it sort of worked but in the current situation the rules are being broken with no way of correcting it because the rule breakers are setting the (new) rules.
I'm in a Conservative constituency (Cleethorpes and Brigg). 73k electorate, 63% turnout. So 46k people voted, 32k voted Tory/14k voted for other parties (where's their voice?) my MP always votes for the party (I have checked) even when he agrees with what I'm saying - how am I being represented? Plainly, I'm not. He's 71 years old and has views that represent the 1950s (Martin Vickers - check his voting record) - most people vote for him because he has a nice avuncular face but have no idea of how he votes (I've asked around).
A PR system would give 14k people in the example above a voice where currently, they have none and, judging by prior voting records, never will have. How many times have you heard: "What's the point of voting, it never makes a difference? In my case it's true (but I vote anyway), it would take an egregious government screw up to overthrow Vicker's majority.
Edit - PR is the most common electoral system worldwide so, plainly, it can work.
We do, it's not great
Craig380
20-11-21, 07:30 PM
I lived in Denmark for many years, where the electoral system is a form of PR. It works. Of course it isn't perfect, but it does ensure no single party gets a mandate to do what the f**k it likes for 5 years. And it makes politicians actually work for their money, as they have to debate and represent their constituents properly as there are no 'safe' seats.
Adam Ef
21-11-21, 11:50 AM
Commuting this week. Crazy traffic in Bristol and selfish *tvv*tz who purposefully block me from filtering. Had one guy who edged right to block me passing as he was waiting on a jammed up roundabout to turn right with queues across it, blocking everyone else. I want to go straight ahead (which I could have done with loads of space for a bike between bumpers). He'd seen me filter the last 100 yards or so and blocked me getting further on purpose. A few minutes later the traffic moved again and I passed him on the right and sailed straight across the roundabout. No gain for him, waste of time for me.
Just one of many examples of morons I've encountered in the last few days. The other main one was a van jumping a red light across my path who obviously hadn't noticed as he was on his phone.
Sir Trev
21-11-21, 12:47 PM
The fitter the garage got in to do my towbar install on Thursday has not replaced the trim around the tailgate properly. That means I need to go back in to have them rectify it which is irritating.
What car was it Trev? Trim can be a pain sometimes.
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Having fitted a towbar to my Yaris a couple of months ago I have some sympathy with the fitter, not that it excuses the work not being completed to your satisfaction.
I went for a Witter towbar thinking it's as good a brand as any available, which it probably is, but it didn't fit particularly well as supplied. The side rail mountings were made assuming the body pressings were at 90deg, but they weren't ... quite. This meant the bar end brackets didn't sit flat on the body members for bolting. Fortunately I was able to tweak them using a hydraulic press (12mm steel plates on the towbar, fairly robust items). Commercial fitters would simply have graunched the bolts up, the body rails would have then been bent to fit the bar brackets, not a nice outcome.
MrMessy
21-11-21, 07:34 PM
Down at my Daughters in London and cannot believe the amount of people that openly smoke cannabis including car drivers! Also cyclists and scooter riders that run red lights at crossings and nearly run you over, must be terrible for visually impaired people.
Down at my Daughters in London and cannot believe the amount of people that openly smoke cannabis including car drivers! Also cyclists and scooter riders that run red lights at crossings and nearly run you over, must be terrible for visually impaired people.
its not just Londinium its all over. they are under the assumption that it has been legalised/relaxed as it is in most of America, Canada, Spain, Holland, etc.etc.
modern society is full of awipes with no regard for others, you can blame social media for that one.
svenrico
22-11-21, 06:26 PM
Down at my Daughters in London and cannot believe the amount of people that openly smoke cannabis including car drivers! Also cyclists and scooter riders that run red lights at crossings and nearly run you over, must be terrible for visually impaired people.
We can only hope they get caught and banned from driving then.
Sir Trev
22-11-21, 07:05 PM
What car was it Trev? Trim can be a pain sometimes.
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Focus estate. Called the garage today and they're going to get the fitter they outsourced the job to to come take a look as he's local to me. Fingers crossed.
As to the ever present stink of Devil's Lettuce - try walking around Brighton. Not just the more bohemian student-y areas either. A kid cycled past me the other day here in Wycombe too with a very pungent spliff on the go, just glaring at me as if daring me to say something, unless he had paranoia kicking in and I misread it...
Social Care. I'm at an age where I have to think about future Social Care, my kids are in the US and my Dad died from dementia. I was following how my MP voted last night bearing in mind that the average Cleethorpes house price is £145k. I doubt that many meggies (weird name that Cleethorpes people call themselves) have £86k of savings which means they will have to sell their houses if social care is needed. This new Bill was supposed to prevent that but the Tories changed it at the last minute.
Naturally, I would expect Martin Vickers (MP-Con), my MP, to vote against or at least abstain. Nope, true to form, my yes-man representive voted with the party. I emailed him to let him know how I felt and asked him how he felt he was representing his constituents. He won't answer, he never does, he has a 10k vote majority why should he care?
Craig380
23-11-21, 09:09 AM
Nye Bevan proved correct, yet again.
..... This new Bill was supposed to prevent that but the Tories changed it at the last minute.
......
I know it is a difficult issue, and there is a wide inequality in the country.
However, at the risk of being controversial, I don't believe that the amount someone is charged for a service should have any direct link to their capital or savings amount. The idea of having to pay a certain percentage of your wealth is a bit odd. When you go into the supermarket they don't ask you what your house is worth and what your savings are before working out the bill.
The total amount someone is expected to pay for care over their lifetime may well be a reasonable approach, I don't really know, but wealth taxes are highly contentious.
If I have savings, should HMRC be able to just take as much of it as they want? Taxing income of whatever source is fine in principle, but ownership tax is iniquitous IMO.
You'll probably find that few people in £500k houses actually have the odd £86k sitting around, so they'd probably also have to sell up. Much of this tied up capital has come from property price inflation, my house is worth about 10x what I paid for it 35yrs ago, that doesn't mean I have loads of cash sitting about, property valuation is just a number on paper until you actually realise it. That's the stupidity of proposals to re-band property for council tax because values have gone up, it was a band D in 1991 and it still is the same band D house.
Luckypants
23-11-21, 12:09 PM
Its a decent argument that I agree with broadly. I don't see what the monetary value of your home has to do with ability to pay. Ask any poor pensioner still living in the family home they brought the family up in, now trying to pay council tax on it because they are deemed 'wealthy'. The caveat I would place on this is that if someone with a valuable home needs to pay for care, taking a 'Lifetime mortgage' on the property will easily pay the care cost of £80000 and leave a lot left for a bequest or providing further income. The 'poor person' whose home is worth much less will lose all the value they have in their home, leaving nothing to bequeath or gain an income. Of course, those able to will pass property along to their heirs long before it will be used in calculations for 'wealth', so it will be the 'poor people' who pay for care and not the wealthy.
I do see this as another way for their rich chums to benefit and the rest of us to pay for it.
I know it is a difficult issue, and there is a wide inequality in the country.
This is the nub of the issue. Following swiftly along from Northern Powerhouse we have Levelling Up which leads us on to the Red Wall - the once safe Labour seats that switched to Conservative.
The Red Wall Tories want to maintain their seats so when Social Care means many northern people will have to sell their homes, bearing in mind that life expectancy is lower in the north too, constituents will question their voting choices.
On top of this was yet another promise that no one will have to sell their homes to pay for social care. As we have seen several times recently a Conservative Party promise doesn't seem very durable.
The CBI questioned yesterday the reliance of this government for private industry to fix everything (levelling up and climate change) and, as they pointed out - government is still needed because industry cannot do it alone.
To balance the UK North/South economy would cost a similar amount to the re-unification of Germany (one economist predicted), plainly, that is not going to happen, it's taken 30 or 40 years to reach this point.
However, if the Red Wall Tories could turn around an say: "we've saved your homes from being sold for social care!", we'd all sing Kum ba Yah around the campfire (since the gas has been shut off :( ) in the north.
Is it fair? No. But take transport; the south has more money spent on it per head now which isn't fair either (£903 versus £376 in 2019). The problem is that London generates most of the UK income and who wants to risk damaging the cash cow?
I think Levelling Up will just prove to be another meaningless slogan. The Social Care bill will, perhaps, be amended by the House of Lords to include its original protections, go back to the Commons where their amendments will be stripped out and that will be that. The Bill passed by 26 votes, bearing in mind that Boris has an 80 seat majority.
As long as it doesn't degenerate into an argument based on envy, that no-one should be allowed to have more than anyone else, which is what it boils down to. That's essentially an argument for communism.
If one person works, invests, saves, and ends up with capital or money, we shouldn't argue that they can't be allowed to have it and even pass it on to their children just because someone else doesn't have the wealth.
Welfare and benefits already mean that folk with little resource and income get supported/subsidised (in effect) by those who do have resources, it's not as if there isn't some degree of redistribution via taxes and benefits. It may not be ideal nor working fairly, but the system is there in principle.
There is also a danger that this £86k issue is used to hide the real problem, which is the funding and management of social care.
owning a home is an asset and assets are wealth.
its a known fact that if you live on your own you are put in a care home then the council (social work) sell your house to pay for the care. the care prices vary widely and an average is £1500 a week... yes you read right. in Scotland it all started when holyrood said they had found an extra few hundred million to pump into the NHS. what they actually done was turned the care into private sector.
the local councils now have to foot the bill for those that dont have any assets. this in turn is driving council tax up.
the other thing is is you do have a lot of assets that put you in a swanky care home at £3000 a week until the money runs out then transfer you to a shizz hole to rot away.
my advice is spend spend spend before you retire. if you have already retired then spend even more.
if your poor your feked........ and its off to the scumbox along side all the shizz a pizz residents.
Craig380
23-11-21, 08:50 PM
Bloody awful SV 'mudguards.' Roads were wet for 10 miles out of my 90-odd mile ride today and the bike was plastered with crud afterwards.
It's at times like this I think of Seeker's Biggest Mudflap In The World.
It's at times like this I think of Seeker's Biggest Mudflap In The World.
:D World's Biggest Mudflap™ (patent pending)
https://i.ibb.co/ygyzhgt/27k-2.jpg
svenrico
23-11-21, 11:07 PM
owning a home is an asset and assets are wealth.
its a known fact that if you live on your own you are put in a care home then the council (social work) sell your house to pay for the care. the care prices vary widely and an average is £1500 a week... yes you read right. in Scotland it all started when holyrood said they had found an extra few hundred million to pump into the NHS. what they actually done was turned the care into private sector.
the local councils now have to foot the bill for those that dont have any assets. this in turn is driving council tax up.
the other thing is is you do have a lot of assets that put you in a swanky care home at £3000 a week until the money runs out then transfer you to a shizz hole to rot away.
my advice is spend spend spend before you retire. if you have already retired then spend even more.
if your poor your feked........ and its off to the scumbox along side all the shizz a pizz residents.
I think you could be right, with inflation what will our money be worth in 5 years time anyway ?! On social care etc, my eldest sister died with dementia in a care home and left a share of her will to her younger sister who is now in a care home with the onset of dementia. Her inheritance will be taken to pay for her care fees, when they were being paid by the council because she had no assets. So I suppose she should be congratulated for saving the council money!
svenrico
23-11-21, 11:32 PM
Bloody awful SV 'mudguards.' Roads were wet for 10 miles out of my 90-odd mile ride today and the bike was plastered with crud afterwards.
It's at times like this I think of Seeker's Biggest Mudflap In The World.
Bloody sawn off mudguards ! They should provide a fuller mudguard as an option on bikes. These minimal front mudguards aren't even long enough when you fit a fender extender to them.
Craig380
24-11-21, 09:21 AM
Bloody sawn off mudguards ! They should provide a fuller mudguard as an option on bikes.
Either that, or an on-call valet service to wash the bike down for me when I get home ...
Adam Ef
24-11-21, 11:40 AM
Anyone know how to actually contact anyone that's not a chat loop robot on their site or and automated loop that hangs up on you after reading out the status of a parcel that hasn't moved for a week, that you can read yourself on their site anyway?
Anyone know how to actually contact anyone that's not a chat loop robot on their site or and automated loop that hangs up on you after reading out the status of a parcel that hasn't moved for a week, that you can read yourself on their site anyway?
contact the seller....
or say other when asked or just dont do anything. this usually puts the system into default mode. if its a true no human system then your stuffed. if you say speak to a human on chat bods it usually transfers you to someone real.
good luck.
Adam Ef
24-11-21, 12:44 PM
Noth systems ask you for a parcel number. If you don't give the number it says they can't do anything without the number. If you do give it then it reads you the status that you can read yourself in the tracking page (that hasn't changed for a week). After it's read you the staus it aks if you want to check another parcel. No other option to take anything further with that parcel. If you say no, you don't want to check another then it says goodbye.
I've launched a dispute through Paypal as that's the only way I can actually send a message.. by adding a note in the dispute description. Absurd.
Just been on the phone to the District Council. I received a letter regarding council tax discount fraud checks which I immediately assumed was a scam, but apparently it isn't, it's a central government initiative. Chatted to a couple of very helpful council folk.
The wording on the form is appalling. One question is a potential double negative which is tricky to work out what you are supposed to answer (I am no longer the sole adult over 18 living at the address - yes/no). There is a list of options for resident status which doesn't include "owner" (joint owner/tenant/partner - yes/no). There are missing words in sentences, commas where they shouldn't be. The whole thing is very intimidating and a mess.
Apparently the letter form came from above, the local council folk are feeding back that it's a mess. It's not rocket science, who are the numpties responsible for these things? Why don't they just show it to someone else and see what they think first, before sending it out?
Just been on the phone to the District Council. I received a letter regarding council tax discount fraud checks which I immediately assumed was a scam, but apparently it isn't, it's a central government initiative. Chatted to a couple of very helpful council folk.
The wording on the form is appalling. One question is a potential double negative which is tricky to work out what you are supposed to answer (I am no longer the sole adult over 18 living at the address - yes/no). There is a list of options for resident status which doesn't include "owner" (joint owner/tenant/partner - yes/no). There are missing words in sentences, commas where they shouldn't be. The whole thing is very intimidating and a mess.
Apparently the letter form came from above, the local council folk are feeding back that it's a mess. It's not rocket science, who are the numpties responsible for these things? Why don't they just show it to someone else and see what they think first, before sending it out?
Because the MP who initiated it had a friend who could do it for 'the best price'.
Just been on the phone to the District Council. I received a letter regarding council tax discount fraud checks which I immediately assumed was a scam, but apparently it isn't, it's a central government initiative. Chatted to a couple of very helpful council folk.
The wording on the form is appalling. One question is a potential double negative which is tricky to work out what you are supposed to answer (I am no longer the sole adult over 18 living at the address - yes/no). There is a list of options for resident status which doesn't include "owner" (joint owner/tenant/partner - yes/no). There are missing words in sentences, commas where they shouldn't be. The whole thing is very intimidating and a mess.
Apparently the letter form came from above, the local council folk are feeding back that it's a mess. It's not rocket science, who are the numpties responsible for these things? Why don't they just show it to someone else and see what they think first, before sending it out?
must be the same illiterate numpty who done one i filled in a while ago.
Software updates.
I have a Lenovo 330S laptop that I have never liked. I replaced it with an HP Probook (much better) but still use the Lenovo occasionally for streaming. On last boot I was informed that there was an update for my Radeon (graphics) software and foolishly I went ahead.
It re-introduced a recurring issue with the Lenovo that means it won't shut down or restart - the screen blanks off but the power button stays lit and the keyboard is inoperative. You have to force quit by holding the power switch down. I turned back the driver update but it didn't help, I did find that safe mode fixed the problem but trying to isolate the start up setting or particular driver eluded me (and considerably raised my blood pressure).
I reset Win10 and, of course, that didn't help. I even tried Win10 21H2 which windows update has been pushing; nope.
I'm currently wiping the laptop completely and loading Win10 1809 which is quite old. This in itself proved more aggravating since pressing F12 at the Lenovo screen didn't start the process - another hour or so wasted. It suddenly decided to play - maybe there's a 5 microsecond time slot when you have to press F12?
This Lenovo has always been quirky (and that's being generous), I had to run sfc /scannow quite often on it because it would suddenly get slow or programs stopped working, meanwhile my original Toshiba Satellite laptop chugs along with no issues.
Edit: Well 1809 has fixed the problem, now I have to wade back through all the win10 updates
Sir Trev
25-11-21, 06:33 PM
Some of my colleagues have been testing my patience today. Have been busy on a report the boss asked for but two people thought I should stop and help them with their tasks instead because they did not think to ask me in good time. Sorry, but your failure to plan ahead does not make it my problem! "I'll help you tomorrow if I finish this in time" was not the answer either of them wanted apparently.
.......
It is standard practice for would-be dictatorships to gain power by identifying an "enemy" and using popularism to win votes on the basis of bigotry and prejudice, xenophobia, lies etc. Vote for us and we'll sort "them" out for you.
Once in power they take measures to control state media (e.g. BBC), and then take measures to restrict or neuter the state justice system, at least the bits they don't like which are usually the parts which can hold the government to account. Look at any despot or dictator and you'll find those measures in the power grabbing process. Once they get to the point where it is near impossible to actually challenge them, they grant themselves emergency powers or use statutory instruments (not requiring Parliamentary debate) to simply enact the laws they want.
Familiar?
Be careful, we get what we deserve.
The next nail in the coffin of freedom and democracy?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/fury-as-tories-introduce-outrageous-laws-that-could-jail-protesters-for-a-year/ar-AAR8tFw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
I'm not alone in perceiving the regime as a "would be" dictatorship.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19726731.ken-clarke-uk-close-becoming-elected-dictatorship-boris-johnson/
(other more detailed articles in other publications)
about time something was done about protesting scum who get up in arms about nothing... insulation is a prime example... really insulation..... fek aff and get a life. i would personally want to see the water jet cannons or rubber bullets shot at them. who do they think they are disrupting peoples every day life's. how would they like it if i went and chained myself to their door in protest of them protesting. effin morons of the first order.
well done the Gov for having the balls (slight pun) to do it.. its about time this country got tough.
CheGuevara
26-11-21, 04:48 PM
about time something was done about protesting scum who get up in arms about nothing... insulation is a prime example... really insulation..... fek aff and get a life. i would personally want to see the water jet cannons or rubber bullets shot at them. who do they think they are disrupting peoples every day life's. how would they like it if i went and chained myself to their door in protest of them protesting. effin morons of the first order.
well done the Gov for having the balls (slight pun) to do it.. its about time this country got tough.
Bit harsh. Did they hold you up on the way to your jazzercise class at the local senior's centre? :smt003
Bit harsh. Did they hold you up on the way to your jazzercise class at the local senior's centre? :smt003
not harsh enough.. think of the people that can die due to emergency services not getting through in time. people getting held up in traffic for hours on end. kids standing outside schools waiting on someone picking them up (stranger danger alert) lack of police that would otherwise maybe catch some criminals... the list goes on and on. not to mention how much it costs the taxpayer.. which in turn pushes up the cost of living... or reduces services. does protesting by affixing ones self to stuff sound like a good idea now?
i dont like they way i have to stand in a queue in a shop but do i go and chain myself to the doors of it in protest..... no. so why should i have to suffer morons that only think about what THEY are doing. there is enough of that going around already.
i dont object to protesting but be sensible about it.. if you dont like something about how your Gov runs your country then vote for someone you do want in power..... not just one of the big two.. want change then make change by not being a sheep.
thats my rant of the day :D
... think of the people that can die due to emergency services not getting through in time. .....
Fair point .....
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/14/patients-are-dying-from-being-stuck-in-ambulances-outside-ae-report
svenrico
26-11-21, 07:12 PM
Fair point .....
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/14/patients-are-dying-from-being-stuck-in-ambulances-outside-ae-report
I agree there should be 'some' control over demonstrations and holding up emergency vehicles is unacceptable, but that article is about the delays experienced by ambulance crews in handing over patients after they arrive at hospitals.
The good old taxpayer picks up another £94M bill to pay for the deeds of the management of Post Office Ltd and the Horizon scandal.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/post-office-value-slashed-to-zero-after-postmasters-scandal/ar-AARaPjj?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
MrMessy
27-11-21, 01:26 PM
The trend to use "passed" instead of saying died! Cannot even say passed away! Is this an American thing?
SV650rules
27-11-21, 01:28 PM
The trend to use "passed" instead of saying died! Cannot even say passed away! Is this an American thing?
So what happens when a student 'passed'....
Where did starting every sentence with 'So' come from ? Very, very annoying
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The trend to use "passed" instead of saying died! Cannot even say passed away! Is this an American thing?It annoys me too.
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SV650rules
27-11-21, 01:53 PM
I'm not alone in perceiving the regime as a "would be" dictatorship.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19726731.ken-clarke-uk-close-becoming-elected-dictatorship-boris-johnson/
(other more detailed articles in other publications)
Is that the same Ken Clarke who is 'the old woman of politics', and failed underminer of Brexit vote, still chewing on the fact that Boris read the mood of the country and dismissed Ken and his mates to the outer reaches of politics ( Ken knew it was useless to stand for election in 2019 after his antics ) ? Pot and Kettle spring to mind, Dictatorships would ignore the result of any vote they didn't like ( or not even bother to hold one in the first place ). Ken was busy killing people as Chairman of British American tobacco - despite being Minister of Health during his career.... what a hypocrite...
Biker Biggles
27-11-21, 02:40 PM
Always good to shoot the messenger when the message is inconvenient.
svenrico
28-11-21, 12:34 AM
The good old taxpayer picks up another £94M bill to pay for the deeds of the management of Post Office Ltd and the Horizon scandal.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/post-office-value-slashed-to-zero-after-postmasters-scandal/ar-AARaPjj?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Were any of these post office bosses held accountable for this scandal ? How could they get away with misleading /deceiving etc ? Incompetence/negligence or worse ?!
svenrico
28-11-21, 12:34 AM
It annoys me too.
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Me too.
Craig380
28-11-21, 09:06 AM
Were any of these post office bosses held accountable for this scandal ? How could they get away with misleading /deceiving etc ? Incompetence/negligence or worse ?!
The senior PO management all the way up to Paula Vennels, the chief exec, knew Horizon was deeply flawed and knew that there was a strong likelihood that many postmasters had been wrongly prosecuted from as early as 2010.
In the enquiry that's currently ongoing, the law firm that represented the PO has just been forced to release all of its notes and communications with PO executives and management. In other words, the executives will be able to say "well, we were only acting on legal advice."
svenrico
28-11-21, 02:06 PM
The senior PO management all the way up to Paula Vennels, the chief exec, knew Horizon was deeply flawed and knew that there was a strong likelihood that many postmasters had been wrongly prosecuted from as early as 2010.
In the enquiry that's currently ongoing, the law firm that represented the PO has just been forced to release all of its notes and communications with PO executives and management. In other words, the executives will be able to say "well, we were only acting on legal advice."
The senior PO management must have known so many postmasters couldn't have been acting dishonestly. Why were they prepared to cause so much grief to avoid admitting their mistakes and the computer system was flawed ?
Craig380
28-11-21, 07:30 PM
Because of the hundreds of millions invested in the Horizon system, and Fujitsu engineers (who developed it) refusing to admit there were serious flaws, because then they wouldn't get paid.
Luckypants
29-11-21, 09:54 AM
3 days with no power and still counting. ��
Working from "home" at a mates house and wondering what to do if the power stays off another day.
3 days with no power and still counting. ��
Working from "home" at a mates house and wondering what to do if the power stays off another day.
couch surfing at your age... lol
hope it gets sorted soon :smt023
svenrico
29-11-21, 12:33 PM
3 days with no power and still counting. ��
Working from "home" at a mates house and wondering what to do if the power stays off another day.
That's bad. Ours was off for most of the day Saturday and I was dreading it being off during the night because I have to sleep with a CPAP machine.
Luckypants
29-11-21, 01:40 PM
Well I've managed to source a heater for tonight and we have lights, so hopefully better than the past 3 nights. Who knows, perhaps SPENERGY will keep this promise and we won't need it.
garynortheast
29-11-21, 06:39 PM
Sounds a bit grim Mike. Hope they get it sorted for you soon.
Luckypants
29-11-21, 08:21 PM
Came back on about 4.30 this afternoon. Just after I had managed to get hold of a portable gas heater. These have been like hens teeth for obvious reasons. So the house is slowly warming up again:D
Just found a hole in my extension roof caused by a falling ridge tile. Now fixed. Thank you to my neighbour who spotted it and warned me.
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Luckypants
01-12-21, 08:15 AM
Found the little hedgehog we've been nurturing prone on the lawn this morning. He's too small to hibernate and our efforts to feed him up haven't really worked. He was still just alive but likely hypothermic, so Mel took him to the vet. They will warm him up and see if he can be revived. He'll go to the hedgehog rescue if he does.
Now have a vacant hedgehog house :(
garynortheast
01-12-21, 08:48 AM
Found the little hedgehog we've been nurturing prone on the lawn this morning. He's too small to hibernate and our efforts to feed him up haven't really worked. He was still just alive but likely hypothermic, so Mel took him to the vet. They will warm him up and see if he can be revived. He'll go to the hedgehog rescue if he does.
Now have a vacant hedgehog house :(
Hope they can revive the hoglet Mike. We've lost 50% of the hedgehog population since 2000. There were apparently about 30 million of them in the 1950s, we're now down to under 1 million. We need all the hedgehogs we can hang on to!
Luckypants
01-12-21, 08:53 AM
One of the reasons we were trying so hard to get it up to a good weight to survive the winter. There's a fair few across the road in a garden that's running a bit wild, but unfortunately two were run over recently. If ours goes, that's probably half the hedgies in the village gone. Sad.
Sir Trev
01-12-21, 09:37 AM
I've not seen a hedgehog around here for a very long time, but then we have badgers and foxes nearby who probably predate on them, so not too surprised.
My GotD is BlackCircles. Need front boots for the car (very little grip now it's properly cold) and they had the all season Michelins I wanted so ordered for a Saturday fitment at a local place. Email late last night in broken English saying would I like Pirelli instead? No I do not. Why did you take my order if you don't have stock of the tyre I wanted? It's all you do - match your tyre inventory with punter and fitter so you should be well on top of what stock you have. Cancelled order and found the same tyres in stock with a local independent who are slightly cheaper so all's well really.
Adam Ef
01-12-21, 06:13 PM
My GotD is BlackCircles.
I'll never even attempt to use them again after the run around and incompetence I experienced with them recently.
Sir Trev
01-12-21, 06:24 PM
My last two experiences with them were fine so no idea why it's gone so downhill.
The "Paterson" doctrine. If the rules are against you try and change them.
BoZo wants the power for ministers to override judicial reviews. Our judicial system is supposed to be independent of politics.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-newsboris-johnson-uk-politics-news-latest-b1970385.html
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I emailed my MP about BoZo's idea of removing passports/driving licences from drug users. I bemoaned the fact that after 50 years of punishing users and failing maybe it was time to try a different approach. I also speculated how much cocaine was consumed in Parliament. Two hours later the reports came out that the police have been asked to investigate cocaine use in Parliament. Maybe I'm prescient? :)
I bemoaned the fact that after 50 years of punishing users and failing maybe it was time to try a different approach. I also speculated how much cocaine was consumed in Parliament. Two hours later the reports came out that the police have been asked to investigate cocaine use in Parliament. Maybe I'm prescient? :)
for once i agree. just think of the revenue that the Gov would make if it were regulated.
but i also agree if your going to be an opiate user then you should have your licence revoked.
charlie is everywhere. it fuels the UK.
SV650rules
06-12-21, 10:12 AM
The "Paterson" doctrine. If the rules are against you try and change them.
BoZo wants the power for ministers to override judicial reviews. Our judicial system is supposed to be independent of politics.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-newsboris-johnson-uk-politics-news-latest-b1970385.html
________
I emailed my MP about BoZo's idea of removing passports/driving licences from drug users. I bemoaned the fact that after 50 years of punishing users and failing maybe it was time to try a different approach. I also speculated how much cocaine was consumed in Parliament. Two hours later the reports came out that the police have been asked to investigate cocaine use in Parliament. Maybe I'm prescient? :)
The politicians are high on something in addition to power.. You need to be careful about taking away peoples passports as a passport is a basic right of a citizen of a country, and taking away peoples driving licences does not stop many people driving... it just mean they will be uninsured, which is bad news if you are involved in a prang with them.
Adam Ef
06-12-21, 11:28 AM
Anyone know how to actually contact anyone that's not a chat loop robot on their site or and automated loop that hangs up on you after reading out the status of a parcel that hasn't moved for a week, that you can read yourself on their site anyway?
Finally got through to someone today. 3 weeks later.
I've been sent a claim form. Now to wait up to 28 days for a reply with their decision.
It's been at the receivers local depot for two weeks apparently and they've finally admitted they can't find it. After marking it as over sized and needing a special courier, then saying certain oversize couriers only work weekends... and a load of other lies. It's a normal size cardboard box! Or was.
garynortheast
06-12-21, 04:18 PM
Finally got through to someone today. 3 weeks later.
I've been sent a claim form. Now to wait up to 28 days for a reply with their decision.
It's been at the receivers local depot for two weeks apparently and they've finally admitted they can't find it. After marking it as over sized and needing a special courier, then saying certain oversize couriers only work weekends... and a load of other lies. It's a normal size cardboard box! Or was.
The lying and general dishonesty infecting so much of industry and management is absolutely bang out of order. While there will always be a few people trying to capitalise on c0ckups and mistakes, I'm sure most folks would be much more sympathetic if the people responsible just held up their hands and said, "Sorry, we got it wrong, we'll try and do better".
Still, profit is king so b0ll0cks to honesty.
svenrico
06-12-21, 05:22 PM
The "Paterson" doctrine. If the rules are against you try and change them.
BoZo wants the power for ministers to override judicial reviews. Our judicial system is supposed to be independent of politics.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-newsboris-johnson-uk-politics-news-latest-b1970385.html
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Exactly, this is just typical of this government.
svenrico
06-12-21, 05:23 PM
The lying and general dishonesty infecting so much of industry and management is absolutely bang out of order. While there will always be a few people trying to capitalise on c0ckups and mistakes, I'm sure most folks would be much more sympathetic if the people responsible just held up there hands and said, "Sorry, we got it wrong, we'll try and do better".
Still, profit is king so b0ll0cks to honesty.
Yes, the exception has become the norm.
MrMessy
07-12-21, 02:21 PM
Not vaccinating vulnerable patients in Hospital. Recently 2 elderly neighbours (98) where admitted to hospital. I was due to take them for their booster jabs, so asked if they could have them in Hospital. No sir, even though there is a staff vaccination hub on site!
garynortheast
13-12-21, 09:35 AM
HMRC. Aaaargh!!!!! :(
ethariel
13-12-21, 10:29 AM
HMRC - Oh I agree with you 10 fold.
I enquired about how to claim back 'French Witholding Tax' on company share dividends, boy did they go to town on me after that question - Undeclared Foreign Overseas Income! I didn't have a pathological hatred for them before that but now......
Been on PAYE for the past 1/4 century but ended up having to submit a tax return for 5 years on the back of that, share dividends now in shares not cash!
garynortheast
13-12-21, 10:45 AM
I'm going to amend my GotD as when I finally got to speak with a real person, she was very helpful and friendly. She gave me advice that saved me an £800 tax bill.
svenrico
13-12-21, 12:43 PM
I'm going to amend my GotD as when I finally got to speak with a real person, she was very helpful and friendly. She gave me advice that saved me an £800 tax bill.
If you think HMRC are bad, try and avoid having to deal with the DVLA. Even when you get through to speaking to a person it is like speaking to a robot.
I had about 6 months of trying to get through to their medical department to get my driving licence back ( medical condition but passed fit by hospital consultant due to satisfactory treatment ) When I eventually got to speak to somebody in the DVLA medical department they said they couldn't understand what had been going on and they would send my licence the next day, which they did. (about 6 months after they had actually received a letter from my hospital consultant stating treatment was successful and I was fit to drive !)
svenrico
13-12-21, 01:13 PM
'Having lost an initial appeal against a decision relating to the deployment of the safety car – which allowed Max Verstappen to pit for fresh tyres and then slot in behind and surge past his helpless rival – Mercedes were leaning towards putting the reputation of the sport before their desire to correct what they deemed a major injustice.
That was despite the emergence of Hamilton’s initial reaction to being passed by Verstappen, with the Brit shouting four corners before the chequered flag: “This has been manipulated, man.”
I am not a big follower but it looks like Hamilton has been fiddled out of the title. I understand he was leading by 6 seconds ,which is a long time in racing, before the safety car fiasco.
It was a farce of a final few laps. Masi properly cocked up the safety car/lapped driver decision and cost Hamilton the Championship.
I would not be surprised if the result does not change with a legal challenge, even in spite of multiple rules being broken.
maviczap
13-12-21, 04:56 PM
HMRC. Aaaargh!!!!! :(
HMRC - Oh I agree with you 10 fold.
I enquired about how to claim back 'French Witholding Tax' on company share dividends, boy did they go to town on me after that question - Undeclared Foreign Overseas Income! I didn't have a pathological hatred for them before that but now......
Been on PAYE for the past 1/4 century but ended up having to submit a tax return for 5 years on the back of that, share dividends now in shares not cash!
I'm going to amend my GotD as when I finally got to speak with a real person, she was very helpful and friendly. She gave me advice that saved me an £800 tax bill.
In defence of my former department, unfortunately because everything has been moved to call centres all the call handling staff work to scripts and prompts, so it's not difficult to see why they can't deal with it like the old face to face relationship at a local office.
But someone decided to close all the local offices and centralise everything, so that's progress I'm afraid
maviczap
13-12-21, 05:04 PM
'Having lost an initial appeal against a decision relating to the deployment of the safety car – which allowed Max Verstappen to pit for fresh tyres and then slot in behind and surge past his helpless rival – Mercedes were leaning towards putting the reputation of the sport before their desire to correct what they deemed a major injustice.
That was despite the emergence of Hamilton’s initial reaction to being passed by Verstappen, with the Brit shouting four corners before the chequered flag: “This has been manipulated, man.”
I am not a big follower but it looks like Hamilton has been fiddled out of the title. I understand he was leading by 6 seconds ,which is a long time in racing, before the safety car fiasco.
It was a farce of a final few laps. Masi properly cocked up the safety car/lapped driver decision and cost Hamilton the Championship.
I would not be surprised if the result does not change with a legal challenge, even in spite of multiple rules being broken.
If there had been a racing incident during the Tour De France, then the race leader would have still had his lead when the race restarted. An example was when the level crossing closed to let a train through. All gaps remain the same.
So I found the decision to allow Verstappen to close up to Hamilton really odd, especially on fresh tyres, surely it gave him an unfair advantage? Why was he allowed to pit? I know Hamilton could have pitted, and maybe a tactical error by Mercedes.
Didn't make F1 look good, as in any race, when is the race leader penalised for something that wasn't their fault?
If there had been a racing incident during the Tour De France, then the race leader would have still had his lead when the race restarted. An example was when the level crossing closed to let a train through. All gaps remain the same.
So I found the decision to allow Verstappen to close up to Hamilton really odd, especially on fresh tyres, surely it gave him an unfair advantage? Why was he allowed to pit? I know Hamilton could have pitted, and maybe a tactical error by Mercedes.
Didn't make F1 look good, as in any race, when is the race leader penalised for something that wasn't their fault?
Mercedes would lose track position, and not knowing how long the SC would be out for decided against it. Red Bull took a punt as it was theirs to Win/Hamiltons to lose.
The odd decision was to say the lapped cars could not unlap themselves (only that they could not over take) & then Masi only let the few through that were between Max & Ham. The rules say when this happens the safety car has to stay out for another full lap to let them catch back up to the back of the pack - which did not happen.
It should have either been red flagged, and had a re-start/5 lap shoot out. Or ended under the safety car.
Hopefully Mercedes got the proper review in Court on how this was handled (although this is not how i would like it to be decided) & its the final nail in Masi's coffin on this job and he gets gone.
maviczap
13-12-21, 07:46 PM
Mercedes would lose track position, and not knowing how long the SC would be out for decided against it. Red Bull took a punt as it was theirs to Win/Hamiltons to lose.
The odd decision was to say the lapped cars could not unlap themselves (only that they could not over take) & then Masi only let the few through that were between Max & Ham. The rules say when this happens the safety car has to stay out for another full lap to let them catch back up to the back of the pack - which did not happen.
It should have either been red flagged, and had a re-start/5 lap shoot out. Or ended under the safety car.
Hopefully Mercedes got the proper review in Court on how this was handled (although this is not how i would like it to be decided) & its the final nail in Masi's coffin on this job and he gets gone.
I think the SC should have stayed out until the end, Hamilton was 12 sec in front at the time of the incident, so wouldn't have been caught by Verstappen on the tyres he was on at the time.
Does seem like a monumental **** up
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