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SV650rules

14-08-17, 02:28 PM

You have to start early with the independence thing. My son always spent his pocket money as soon as it was given and both me and his mother wouldn't give him anymore. So at age 14 he went to work on Saturdays on his stepfathers market stall to earn his own money. As soon as he left school he found a job and has never been out of work since. He's 38 now and wouldn't dream of asking me or his mother for money. My daughter learnt the same lesson from observation. After leaving uni, she wouldn't come back to live with either of us and preferred to make her own way in life. Since then she has never asked a penny from either me or her mother. She's 37 now.

Yeah, It's called tough love, does them the world of good. One of my sister-in-laws did everything for her son and daughter when they were at home (never asked them to help around the house or anything) and even when she couldn't afford it helped them out, even after they left home - sad to say neither of her kids (both over 40 now) has come to much (not a clue about money and the value thereof) as they expect the same from everyone and it just ain't gonna happen, can't help thinking they would have coped much better with life and been happier if they had been brought up like your kids.

timwilky

14-08-17, 04:33 PM

Don't make the mistake of thinking my kids are workshy losers. My lad despite his problems in life bought his house at age 21, Not many kids manage that. The eldest focused on paying off her student and professional studies loans (40 grand in total)and is now saving for a house.

As I said of daughter no 2, she is a paid student and has got commitments like 3 kids (sorry that should be four if you include her husband). She is not afraid of work and does extra bank shifts to supplement her income. She has a lousy taste in blokes.

I know the problem is Mrs W. We would not have this issue if the original loan, (but #2 will think gift) hadn't been made. Mrs W and #1 are currently scheming. I am ignoring the fact they have got themselves stuck in Lanzarote and my phone has died. As far as I am concerned the SIL is no man. He has no pride in himself or his ability to provide for his family. I really wish #2 would wake up and tell him to get lost.

Heorot

14-08-17, 05:06 PM

I get what you are saying Timwilky. I was lucky in that I, my ex and her husband David, all had the same attitude towards supplying additional funds. It helped that David had previously loaned several thousands to his son who then flatly refused to repay him. That was over 20 years ago and they are still estranged.

kaivalagi

14-08-17, 07:00 PM

maviczap

14-08-17, 07:06 PM

People who take credit for work they never had any involvement in and claim it was down to them

timwilky

14-08-17, 09:22 PM

That really sucks Tim, on finding that on the credit card bill I would have gone ballistic and removed all my Mrs cards from her and insisted she gets her own account which monies can be transferred into, like you say the issue is with Mrs W, she needs a few lessons in money management!

no need. my wifes income is her own. she is entitled to all she earns. Despite being married to me for far too many years she is a techno phobe. I have to set up and manage her online accounts. I transfer her money from accounts to cards etc. That is why I discovered the holiday payment.

Things have moved on. She has paid for hotel and flights home. I cannot blame her and she agrees if it was just the grown ups leave them to sort their selves out. But the grandkids do not deserve thier parents stupidity.

Daughter is still in denial. We have to be there an hour before. So we turn up and get ****ed about by the car hire return who delayed us so we were unable to check in. No get there in time to return the car and still have time to check in.

Thier flight tomorow is about 1:30, We have said be their for eleven. Why!

Because you do not have tickets. just a reference. you need to ensure that if there are any problems they can be resolved before the flight departs....Will they ever learn

BanannaMan

15-08-17, 01:36 AM

Hi Bill, I'm flying TO the USA next week [emoji2]

Welcome to the Trumpian Empire!
You should be fine as long as you are not traveling with anyone who even remotely looks to be Muslim.
Or Mexican.
Or Gay.
Or Liberal.
Or Democrat.
Or you mind being groped or sexually harassed. (Apparently it's a thing among American Conservatives)

However, on a more positive note, Swastikas, flaming torches and White Supremacists are always welcome!
;)

ophic

15-08-17, 09:42 AM

Daughter is still in denial. We have to be there an hour before. So we turn up and get ****ed about by the car hire return who delayed us so we were unable to check in. No get there in time to return the car and still have time to check in.
I suffer from this a lot. I'm the early guy. I don't mind chilling for an hour or so if I'm early, but I see no point in risking being late due to "unforeseen circumstances" that seem happen quite often. Late means you've missed the train/bus/flight and you ain't going anywhere.

My mrs and lad disagree. He's late for school almost everyday and it's never his fault. Traffic/roadworks/bus was late etc. But this happens almost every day so take it into account... I get nowhere :smt101

DomP

15-08-17, 09:44 AM

Clio 182 in limp mode with traction control light, Eml light on! [emoji24]

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SV650rules

15-08-17, 10:12 AM

My mrs and lad disagree. He's late for school almost everyday and it's never his fault. Traffic/roadworks/bus was late etc. But this happens almost every day so take it into account... I get nowhere :smt101

Some people are always late, and its always the traffic etc (something 'outside their control). We taught one bloke to be early by starting golf without him a few times (its really rude to be late and golf tee times are pretty prompt). Some people will always be late and some early, and its always the same people - I have worked with people who always turned up late at airport and expected plane to wait for them WTF!!!

ophic

15-08-17, 10:21 AM

Same thing with keeping batteries charged... some people never recharge phones, tablet, laptops, torches etc and just expect them to work. And when zooming off somewhere on their own where they might really need their phone... they run it flat playing with it, cos boredom is clearly worse than being lost or stuck somewhere without any way of contacting anyone.

Wot? this is a gripe thread! I've saved them all up...

punyXpress

15-08-17, 10:27 AM

So they'll be well furqued when they get a 'leccy car

ophic

15-08-17, 10:33 AM

Fuel tank is always empty anyway. ](*,)

Sir Trev

15-08-17, 12:02 PM

Some people are always late, and its always the traffic etc (something 'outside their control).

This sort of behaviour can badly backfire on a person. My mate Nick was hopeless at getting out of bed and frequently missed the bus to college. I used to knock on his door with five minutes before the pickup time, he was still in bed so I'd arrive ten minutes earlier the next day and so on. Seemed I was his alarm clock. I would head off with or without him and get the bus and frequently he'd be seen running down the road as the bus pulled away. On Mondays of my second year I started off at a different site and I'd take my bike instead of the bus to avoid walking back to the main building - I'd still stop and knock on the door in a vain hope to get him to the bus... One Monday lunchtime I arrived back at the main building to find he'd managed to get his scooter going and had ridden in. He died that night when he crashed it on the way home. If he was better at getting out of bed, and he had no excuses as it WAS in his control, he may still be alive today.

timwilky

15-08-17, 12:22 PM

We used to have a chief draughtman who had a reputation for being something of a swine to work for. I never did, so he was always alright with me.

One day, a draughty burst into his office holding his annual pay award notification and said something like. "I have just worked this out and its about £8.50 a year, what use is that!"

Gringo looked up from his desk and said "It is enough to buy an alarm clock"

I think the point was made.

ophic

15-08-17, 01:04 PM

But like the battery charging or the fuel tank or the being early, you have to remember to set an alarm clock. I bought my lad a "Sonic Bomb". It wakes up most of the street - mostly on weekends, or when he's not there...

timwilky

15-08-17, 01:55 PM

Well the end is in sight. Their flight departed an hour ago. Slight panic as they had to pay €150 for some reason. But his mate/Employer moved the cash as he has the SILs bank details. But even then, the useless SIL gave him the wrong flight details for him to collect them.

Talking with him, we both agree. It would have been far easier and less stressful to have returned the car early, check in and have a few beers waiting for the flight, rather than to do it all last minute.

maviczap

15-08-17, 04:22 PM

I wait to see an update to see if they are magnanimous enough to say a big thank you to you and your Mrs Tim.

My eldest rarely says thank you for the things we buy her, almost as if she thinks she deserves it? I do know that she does appreciate it, but doesn't express it.

My youngest always says thank even for the small things I do.

SV650rules

15-08-17, 05:13 PM

This sort of behaviour can badly backfire on a person. My mate Nick was hopeless at getting out of bed and frequently missed the bus to college. I used to knock on his door with five minutes before the pickup time, he was still in bed so I'd arrive ten minutes earlier the next day and so on.

Used to work with a guy who got a lift into work with people and everyone got fed up of him as he was usually late (especially on 6am till 2pm shift), after a couple of days people would tell him - I'll be outside your house at 5-30, if the downstairs light is on I'll give you another 5 minutes but then I will go without you, if no light on I will drive right past, ungrateful bu&&er thought everyone was being unfair. The worst was though he never offered any petrol money and when someone asked him to chip in he said "but you have to go to work anyway" to which the bloke replied "yes but I don't have to take you, get a lift off somebody else" - (but truth is, if he had offered money the driver would have probably have refused it anyway, but he never offered). Also at going home time he would always be the first to be changed and ready to go home bang on time and every day would continually moan at the person giving him a lift to hurry up because 'I have to be home ASAP' - could not understand why everyone got fed up and in the end he had to get a taxi to and from work - served him right.

BanannaMan

17-08-17, 12:32 AM

Nazis

Emboldened by remarks from our great leader, Nazis are beginning to reveal themselves both in public and on social media.

Another rally like the one last weekend in Charlottesville is expected in Kentucky on Saturday.
What do Nazis have to do with Confederate Monuments?
Nothing, they are just trying to start a race war.

Saw two Nazi flags flying today.
One in the back of a truck the other mounted on a house.

If the statues from our WWII monuments could come to life there would be no Nazi flags parading in our streets.

.

garynortheast

17-08-17, 05:48 AM

Worrying times Bill.
The brexsh1t con here revealed a very unpleasant level of hatred/intolerance amongst a sizeable number of people, the like of which I've not seen for a very long time.

DomP

17-08-17, 06:22 AM

Truly shocking that our world is coming to this. As if two World wars wasn't enough to teach us.

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SV650rules

17-08-17, 07:10 AM

Worrying times Bill.
The brexsh1t con here revealed a very unpleasant level of hatred/intolerance amongst a sizeable number of people, the like of which I've not seen for a very long time.

The levels of intolerance are probably a backlash against unwelcome freeloader 'gimmegrants' taking a shortcut through normal immigration controls.

Levels of intolerance not seen since WW1 and WW2 in fact when a sizeable proportion of the population of USA and UK (and most other proper civilised countries) were intolerant of the Germans LOL - I would liken !slam to Nazi movement, they are led by fanatics and just as quick to kill people who do not want to follow their way of life, only in !slam the women are the underdogs (well, all women in fact, as well as infidels ie. the majority of western people), just like the J3ws were in Europe in the 1930's and 40's (but the j3ws are in just as much danger from Musl!ms today).

bit of light reading, https://www.amazon.com/Stranger-My-Own-Hometown-Thriller-ebook/dp/B01M6V6KH8/ref=sr_1_1_twi_kin_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1498050707&sr=8-1&keywords=a+stranger+in+my+own+hometown

also google Pat Condel on youtube. - he is not anti-musl!m - just pro free speech and democracy

21QUEST

17-08-17, 07:33 AM

The levels of intolerance are probably a backlash against unwelcome freeloader 'gimmegrants' taking a shortcut through normal immigration controls.

Levels of intolerance not seen since WW1 and WW2 in fact when a sizeable proportion of the population of USA and UK (and most other proper civilised countries) were intolerant of the Germans LOL - I would liken !slam to Nazi movement, they are led by fanatics and just as quick to kill people who do not want to follow their way of life, only in !slam the women are the underdogs (well, all women in fact, as well as infidels ie. the majority of western people), just like the J3ws were in Europe in the 1930's and 40's (but the j3ws are in just as much danger from Musl!ms today).

bit of light reading, https://www.amazon.com/Stranger-My-Own-Hometown-Thriller-ebook/dp/B01M6V6KH8/ref=sr_1_1_twi_kin_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1498050707&sr=8-1&keywords=a+stranger+in+my+own+hometown

also google Pat Condel on youtube. - he is not anti-musl!m - just pro free speech and democracy

Sounds like you'd fit right in with the other lot, across the pond.

I mean no offence by the way. ...just an observation. And yes, I do believe in your right to free speech.

Best Regards

DomP

17-08-17, 07:41 AM

21QUEST

17-08-17, 07:50 AM

Does it matter where people are from?
I've worked with some really nice people who have moved here from India, Poland but can think of many so called UK natives that I wouldn't want to share a bus with.

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I'd put it even simpler than that. I've worked and lived with/around some (a lot actually ) really nice humans.
And of course, have also come across some real p sounds like ricks too .

ophic

17-08-17, 07:53 AM

I would liken !slam to Nazi movement
Ok where do I start... OK I'm just gonna say that most Muslims are quite nice people. You can draw your own comparisons.

maviczap

17-08-17, 08:02 AM

The levels of intolerance are probably a backlash against unwelcome freeloader 'gimmegrants' taking a shortcut through normal immigration controls.

Levels of intolerance not seen since WW1 and WW2 in fact when a sizeable proportion of the population of USA and UK (and most other proper civilised countries) were intolerant of the Germans LOL - I would liken !slam to Nazi movement, they are led by fanatics and just as quick to kill people who do not want to follow their way of life, only in !slam the women are the underdogs (well, all women in fact, as well as infidels ie. the majority of western people), just like the J3ws were in Europe in the 1930's and 40's (but the j3ws are in just as much danger from Musl!ms today).

bit of light reading, https://www.amazon.com/Stranger-My-Own-Hometown-Thriller-ebook/dp/B01M6V6KH8/ref=sr_1_1_twi_kin_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1498050707&sr=8-1&keywords=a+stranger+in+my+own+hometown

also google Pat Condel on youtube. - he is not anti-musl!m - just pro free speech and democracy

I respect your right to free speech, but in all my years on the Org, I've never read such a terrible post.

SV650rules

17-08-17, 09:46 AM

Ok where do I start... OK I'm just gonna say that most Muslims are quite nice people. You can draw your own comparisons.

Yes, I have traveled a great deal, in fact I now hate airports and planes, I have worked with muslims ( and in muslim countries and found their way of government oppressive) and think a lot of them are nice, but then again I have worked in Germany and think a lot of Germans are nice, and I do realise that the majority of Germans were not in favour of WW1 and 2, but enough were radicalised by their leaders to cause a heap of sh!t.

I lived in overseas countries twice (legally, after going though 6 to 9 months of paperwork and medical checks) for a total of 15 years and you know what, I have always respected the laws of the country and wishes of the people who have let me visit / live in their countries and have NEVER tried to change their way of life or set up my own parallel legal system based on a book written by men thousands of years ago. I wish the same could be said for certain groups who have fled poverty and deprivation in their country of birth and then try to change your government from a secular one to a religious one (which we have learned the hard way in thousands of years of trouble and fighting in Europe will never work).

Some people react if you are nice to them by being nice back, others think you are weak and will take advantage - it's the way of the world.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/danger-moderate-islam/

The allies sleepwalked into WW2 because they did not take Nazis seriously and the league of nations was weak and prevaricated, I hope we don't do the same again by not taking the aspirations of other groups seriously.

ophic

17-08-17, 10:18 AM

The allies sleepwalked into WW2 because they did not take Nazis seriously
Let's not make that mistake again then, eh?

SV650rules

17-08-17, 10:58 AM

I respect your right to free speech, but in all my years on the Org, I've never read such a terrible post.

Isn't that what free speech is all about ? Not living in an echo chamber.

It has taken us in the west thousands of years and the death of many brave people to get the free speech and secular government we take for granted, and we will not realise what we have lost until we no longer have it, then it may take another thousand years to get it back (if ever).

BanannaMan

18-08-17, 12:30 AM

I grew up as a racist, in a home, in a racist town, in a racist state, in a racist country, but I did grow up.

And through work and through traveling I have met people of every colour and of every religion, and non-religion and I have to say, there are good people everywhere of every colour, of every religion. Most of them in fact.

You can't compare all Muslims to Nazis, maybe IS or other extremist groups but to paint all people of any race or religion as the worst stereotype is simply being racist.
I should know, I was one, sadly, for over half of my life.

See my smile of the day!

kaivalagi

18-08-17, 05:00 AM

Some one is mixing up a people of faith (Muslims) with far right western propaganda based on extremist Islamic leadership that is not the norm of the Muslim population.

All the time people do this it makes it more difficult to bridge the culture divide in western civilisation. People are just people, they want to be happy and peaceful as a whole...its certain leadership where things get messed up.

No one is going to 'invade' or 'conquer' our way of life....as long as our way of life is truly modern and representative of us all.

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SV650rules

18-08-17, 07:31 AM

Some one is mixing up a people of faith ....as long as our way of life is truly modern and representative of us all.

But that is exactly the problem, Islam is an all consuming way of life that has very little tolerance for western values, and already they run parallel 'Sharia' courts and think they override white mans 'infidel' laws. Seems they want to cherry pick our prosperity and security but keep their own laws (some of which are very sexist and barbaric). Saudi Arabia supplies vast funds for building mosques in western countries, not that they have a hidden agenda eh.

kaivalagi

18-08-17, 07:37 AM

SV650rules

18-08-17, 07:47 AM

How is that different from Christianity building churches all over the world, based on belief in a religion this will happen. But as with so called white "Christians" a lot of "Muslims" are not all that religious either and want a normal life with some common decency. People need to stop with the them and us and understand religion always creates a divide, and that WE ALL need to get past that!

We have learned the (very) hard way in Britain and Europe that religion and government do not mix, that is why we have secular (division of church and state) government and that accounts for the prosperity and freedoms we enjoy (and very much I'm afraid take for granted) - but certain religions are not happy with this idea and still think their religious laws override the laws of the land that has welcomed them and given them a much better way of life - that is what bugs me, the huge ingratitude, and almost complete lack of respect for you host country and making very little effort to integrate. I grew up in Wolverhampton, and when I go back there now I feel very much as if I am in a foreign and very alien country.

IMHO every religion on the planet is designed by men to have power over women, and that sticks in my craw big-time.

Luckypants

18-08-17, 08:11 AM

OK folks, although this thread is not on a particular subject for it to go off topic as it is only for gripes, a discussion has broken out - having a topic is off-topic IMO! To help your discussion to stay on topic and allow folks to post their gripes, would you please take your discussion to a dedicated thread? If a thread is started, I'll move the relevant posts out of here to it to keep the discussion in one place.

KEWL! Had to use my moderator hat for the first time in ages! :smt037:reaper:

shiftin_gear98

18-08-17, 12:01 PM

It's raining again.

Chris_SVS

18-08-17, 12:26 PM

Good day to be riding, have no bike

punyXpress

18-08-17, 02:24 PM

Good day to be riding, have no bike

Good day to be riding, but signed off for at least another month.
If I don't obey the rules, my head will fall off! :(

ophic

18-08-17, 02:29 PM

Good day to be riding, but signed off for at least another month.
If I don't obey the rules, my head will fall off! :(
Ride a scooter, then you don't need one.

punyXpress

18-08-17, 02:33 PM

Not even allowed to ride my scooter!

Chris_SVS

18-08-17, 06:52 PM

Good day to be riding, but signed off for at least another month.
If I don't obey the rules, my head will fall off! :(
I'm technically signed off but with the post-cast stiffness of a broken hand, back to the 8-4 grind on monday so determined to make the most of the weekend.;)

Kenzie

18-08-17, 08:36 PM

Motorcyclists who insist on riding with high beams on. I know we need to be seen but ffs stop blinding people!

kaivalagi

18-08-17, 08:43 PM

Weekends should be a day longer!

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Red ones

18-08-17, 08:51 PM

Women

kaivalagi

20-08-17, 08:11 AM

Bike tyres should be made with a deeper tread so they last longer, got an advisory for the rear Avon Cobra on my rocket, only done at most 3K miles since it was fitted....I can see why the US guys fit car tyres lol (not happening)

Kenzie

20-08-17, 09:18 AM

I've seen how you ride, so 3k is a good innings!

maviczap

21-08-17, 07:23 AM

Sir Trev

21-08-17, 08:45 AM

Teenagers who think having a party until 1 in the morning in a hotel is ok. No night porter here, so it's really only a big guest house.

Running down corridors shouting screaming banging doors. Feck off. Rent a feckin house next time.

Although I think that's what I'll be doing next time, it'll be cheaper

Happens more and more these days - people just don't know how to behave and don't give a damn about others. A toxic mix.

Lady Poppy stayed in a lovely hotel in Worcester for two nights earlier this year and was kept awake by rowdy cricketers in the next room having a gang bang with some ladies of limited virtue on the first night, and a family party that transferred from the function room to the very same next room at midnight and carried on to gone 4am on the second night. The staff were ineffective both nights in stopping the disturbances and after a lot of arguments at reception on checkout there was no fee for the total lack of sleep.

SV650rules

21-08-17, 11:33 AM

Virgin internet down since Friday evening till late sunday night and patchy even this morning, ruined the recordings of WSB and BSB highlights I had programmed in on Eurosport (completely pixelated) - one of the BSB recordings was of the snooker! Hope it settles down soon.

BanannaMan

21-08-17, 10:11 PM

Solar Eclipses.

If you've seen one you've seen them all.
Supposed to be 90 to 95 percent of the sun covered where I live which translated to the sun being about 40% dimmer, maybe less.

Underwhelming to say the least.
Looked like every other eclipse I've seen just looking around at ground level.
Not as dark as a rainy day.

I hope for the sake of those who traveled to where it was 100%, it was more exciting there.

Littlepeahead

22-08-17, 01:35 AM

Welcome to the Trumpian Empire!
You should be fine as long as you are not traveling with anyone who even remotely looks to be Muslim.
Or Mexican.
Or Gay.
Or Liberal.
Or Democrat.
Or you mind being groped or sexually harassed. (Apparently it's a thing among American Conservatives)

However, on a more positive note, Swastikas, flaming torches and White Supremacists are always welcome!
;)So travelling with a Brazilian who could be mistaken for a Mexican and ordering a Muslim mall in flight to avoid pork were bad ideas? Can't believe it took 3 hours to get through immigration. I'm traveling with a bricklayer, I thought they got fast tracked in to start building a wall.

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Chris_SVS

22-08-17, 06:47 PM

Eejits in cars with no headlights on meant a new game called overtaking roulette, nobody knew if a stealth automobile would appear out of the fog

SV650rules

22-08-17, 07:23 PM

Eejits in cars with no headlights on meant a new game called overtaking roulette, nobody knew if a stealth automobile would appear out of the fog

Amazing that some people put on every light the vehicle has at the first sign of mist, but others will drive in fog with no lights. But following the rule that you should only overtake within the limit of your vision, don't overtake in fog unless the vehicle is stationary (but even then only when you can see).

I can remember when we had smog, which you literally could not even see the kerb, and any part of your face not covered would be black as a coal miner. Modern fog is nought but mist.

Chris_SVS

22-08-17, 07:49 PM

Amazing that some people put on every light the vehicle has at the first sign of mist, but others will drive in fog with no lights. But following the rule that you should only overtake within the limit of your vision, don't overtake in fog unless the vehicle is stationary (but even then only when you can see).

I can remember when we had smog, which you literally could not even see the curb, and any part of your face not covered would be black as a coal miner. Modern fog is nought but mist.
One car and a crane passed on clearest part of road, no view for most of the 17mi trip. It's a risk regardless, never truly know what will appear out of the fog, some road users are frightfully retarded :mad:

Red ones

22-08-17, 08:13 PM

any part of your face not covered would be black as a coal miner.

Sounds like a good reason to wear a burka.

Sir Trev

23-08-17, 08:47 AM

It's a risk regardless, never truly know what will appear out of the fog, some road users are frightfully retarded :mad:

So many cars now have automatic headlights that drivers forget they can manually turn them on. The sensor does not judge visibility, only lumens, which is very different in conditions like mist. Not realising this is pure laziness by drivers and should be punished severely. Except we have almost no police on the roads now so they'll never get caught... It's a vicious circle.

SV650rules

23-08-17, 10:15 AM

SV650rules

23-08-17, 10:15 AM

I have regularly seen information from USA that since more 'driver aids' such as auto collision avoidance braking, lane departure warning, speed limit sign recognition etc etc that accidents have INCREASED by 15% since 2014. The more so called aids you fit the less attention drivers pay - the law of unintended consequences applies for sure.

http://driving.ca/auto-news/news/as-robots-take-the-wheel-driving-skills-begin-to-hit-the-skids

Safety organisations also worry about the 'under-reporting' of cell phone use accidents, where a lot of times the use of a cell phone does not even appear in the accident reports.

http://www.nsc.org/learn/NSC-Initiatives/Pages/distracted-driving.aspx

http://www.nsc.org/learn/NSC-Initiatives/Pages/distracted-driving-research-studies.aspx

maviczap

23-08-17, 12:17 PM

Early morning flights even though it was only just over an hour long, getting up at 0445 isn't good for my system.

Luckypants

23-08-17, 12:33 PM

So many cars now have automatic headlights that drivers forget they can manually turn them on. The sensor does not judge visibility, only lumens, which is very different in conditions like mist. Not realising this is pure laziness by drivers and should be punished severely. Except we have almost no police on the roads now so they'll never get caught... It's a vicious circle.
I think many drivers are totally unaware of this drawback. When I told my wife that the auto-headlights did not work in fog she was amazed. This is not widely publicised, the information is normally buried in the car's handbook. Who has read theirs? (Geeks excluded - that'll be me then)

DJ123

23-08-17, 06:43 PM

I think many drivers are totally unaware of this drawback. When I told my wife that the auto-headlights did not work in fog she was amazed. This is not widely publicised, the information is normally buried in the car's handbook. Who has read theirs? (Geeks excluded - that'll be me then)

TBH i think it would still make no difference. The amount of morons who will drive at night with no lights on - even with there are no street lamps, highlights the lack of awareness drivers of what's going on in & around their vehicle.

Chris_SVS

23-08-17, 07:11 PM

Yet for safety my headlights are on all of the time

SV650rules

23-08-17, 08:19 PM

Yet for safety my headlights are on all of the time

When I used to travel to work (retired now) I was always surprised at the number of cars driving in early morning winter dark on country roads with front DRL on but no rear lights, don't the morons know DRL only on front.

Auto things on cars really lull some people into a false sense of security, see my links above about increase in accidents in USA due to more automation on vehicles causing drivers to 'switch off' while driving.

On the plus side those cars with only DRL on in the dark may have had no lights on at all if it was up to driver to switch them on.

ophic

24-08-17, 08:40 AM

I can remember when we had smog, which you literally could not even see the kerb

some road users are frightfully retarded :mad:
I've heard of some people driving on the opposite side of the road so their headlight beams would point towards the kerb. Thankfully in days long gone by.

Spose it would work if everyone did it...

SV650rules

24-08-17, 08:51 AM

I've heard of some people driving on the opposite side of the road so their headlight beams would point towards the kerb. Thankfully in days long gone by.

Spose it would work if everyone did it...

Shouldn't your dip beams be biased towards nearside kerb anyway ? - I know mine are (on the car anyway ) - that's why UK cars need those headlamp beam deflector thingimabobs for use in Europe.

I have recently fitted LED headlight bulbs from classicarleds to our cars (and my AL7 single headlight - had to move some wiring in headlight shell out of the way of heatsink), you can turn the bulb relative to its holder location for LHD or RH drive vehicle, but I am pretty sure this only works if the reflector is designed for LHD or RHD in the first place. Beam pattern and light output are superb.

ophic

24-08-17, 08:55 AM

Shouldn't your dip beams be biased towards nearside kerb anyway ? - I know mine are (on the car anyway ) - that's why UK cars need those headlamp beam deflector thingimabobs for use in Europe.
I think headlights were different back then.

Also the driver being positioned on the right probably made a difference too as you're physically closer.

Richie

24-08-17, 03:29 PM

Stupid folk with shopping trollies...

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/15489801.Motorcycle_terror_as_youths_push_trolley_ into_biker_s_path/?ref=fbshr

garynortheast

24-08-17, 06:45 PM

Stupid folk with shopping trollies...

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/15489801.Motorcycle_terror_as_youths_push_trolley_ into_biker_s_path/?ref=fbshr

Bloody hell. Just wtf goes through some people's heads. Morons.

maviczap

24-08-17, 06:50 PM

Seems to be a new fad, seen something similar done to a group of cyclists, who'd posted up some helmet cam footage.

Glad they got a couple of the scotes.

SV650rules

25-08-17, 07:47 AM

Bloody hell. Just wtf goes through some people's heads.

Absolutely nothing most of the time (used to be special brew) but then their single neuron wakes up and looks for mischief without a thought for the consequences.

Certain people keep saying kids mature earlier these days but in the same breath keep wanting the age of criminal responsibility raised because 'they are too young to know the consequences of their actions' - wish they would make their minds up.

Problem is, the more human jobs that get replaced by robots and self-driving cars and lorries the more people you have around with nothing to do, and the devil finds work for idle hands.

Sir Trev

25-08-17, 08:05 AM

Problem is, the more human jobs that get replaced by robots and self-driving cars and lorries the more people you have around with nothing to do, and the devil finds work for idle hands.

Not a problem if we use a bit of creative thinking. All of the eastern European agricultural workers apparently leaving because of Brexit can be replaced by indigenous oxygen thieves. They all think the work is beneath them/they're too lazy but if their benefits are made dependent on them actually doing something useful they won't have time for attempted-murder-by-shopping-trolley.

SV650rules

25-08-17, 08:37 AM

They all think the work is beneath them/they're too lazy but if their benefits are made dependent on them actually doing something useful they won't have time for attempted-murder-by-shopping-trolley.

When you have had generations of same family all dependent on dole they get to become experts on all the different benefits available, and all the scams, make a damn good living and are harder to dislodge than Japanese Knotweed or Himalayan Balsam. It costs money to oversee and control systems to make sure these cunning people work, and sometimes governments just think it is cheaper to pay benefits.

My brother found out the hard way when he was out of work that the more you have put in the harder it is to get something back - having been in work paying tax and NI since he was 15 and unemployed (although very skilled) at 62 he went to DHSS and was told that because he had 'assets' (ie his house that he had worked hard to buy) they could not really do anything for him except maybe job seekers allowance, and to add insult to injury he still had to fork out for council tax and kept up his NI in the hope his pension would be OK.

Getting lazy Brits back to work is a very big mountain to climb, and in a democracy there is only so much persuasion you can use - because if you are not careful these people will just vote Labour and the economy gets trashed for another 5+ years.

Bibio

25-08-17, 12:27 PM

Red ones

25-08-17, 12:48 PM

When you have had generations of same family all dependent on dole they get to become experts on all the different benefits available, and all the scams, make a damn good living and are harder to dislodge than Japanese Knotweed or Himalayan Balsam. It costs money to oversee and control systems to make sure these cunning people work, and sometimes governments just think it is cheaper to pay benefits.

My brother found out the hard way when he was out of work that the more you have put in the harder it is to get something back - having been in work paying tax and NI since he was 15 and unemployed (although very skilled) at 62 he went to DHSS and was told that because he had 'assets' (ie his house that he had worked hard to buy) they could not really do anything for him except maybe job seekers allowance, and to add insult to injury he still had to fork out for council tax and kept up his NI in the hope his pension would be OK.

Getting lazy Brits back to work is a very big mountain to climb, and in a democracy there is only so much persuasion you can use - because if you are not careful these people will just vote Labour and the economy gets trashed for another 5+ years.

It's a good job the average Muslim immigrant is a net contributor to the economy then? Someone has to pay for the lazy work shy Brit.

ophic

25-08-17, 12:49 PM

the UK has always had unemployed but the good news is that we now have the lowest unemployed figure since 1975. the unemployed dont cost us that much in reality as most of the money they get they spend which the Gov get some back in tax or duty.

what is costing us money is military intervention in other country's in the name of terrorism. for every bullet fired it costs the tax payer 100% of the price of that bullet but we dont see TV programs moaning about that.
Proof please. By far the largest govt expenditure is welfare, whether deserved or not, and even taking 20% vat off it - it's still the largest.

Bibio

25-08-17, 01:30 PM

its not just vat its duty as well which includes things like petrol, alcohol and tobacco.

go and look for the rates at which things are then work out what you actually spend in the pound taking off the vat, duty, NI, income tax. receipts dont show duty they only show vat.

for instance petrol/diesel is 57.95p+vat for every pound spent at the pump

when you start working things out for a weekly/monthly expenditure its shocking just how much the Gov get of your £1 that you have worked for. well its exactly the same for unemployed except the Gov give them the £1

duty/vat https://www.gov.uk/tax-on-shopping/alcohol-tobacco

as for military expenditure well they dont get anything back in the price of a bullet once fired or weapons sitting idle do they so the figures are much higher. yes personal spend money so their vat/duty goes back into the system but all the things they use dont. its the same with the NHS.

ophic

25-08-17, 02:51 PM

Still not true though. Whilst not disputing the overspend on military, even if the gov't get back half of what they spend on welfare (and I'm including pensions here) it's still the biggest expenditure.

"Defence" is only about 6%. Welfare (inc pensions) is about 35%.

SV650rules

25-08-17, 03:16 PM

It's a good job the average Muslim immigrant is a net contributor to the economy then? Someone has to pay for the lazy work shy Brit.

Muslims figure disproportionately among both the unemployed and also jail residents in UK.

46% of the Muslim population lives in the 10% most deprived local authority districts in England and this has increased since the 2001 census.

SV650rules

25-08-17, 03:26 PM

the UK has always had unemployed but the good news is that we now have the lowest unemployed figure since 1975. the unemployed dont cost us that much in reality as most of the money they get they spend which the Gov get some back in tax or duty.

what is costing us money is military intervention in other country's in the name of terrorism. for every bullet fired it costs the tax payer 100% of the price of that bullet but we dont see TV programs moaning about that.

Isn't it better still to get money that you haven't paid out in the first place, rather than pay it up front and hope to get a proportion of it back.

If we cut military spending then servicemen may well be added to list of unemployed, but then again they won't cost any more than the long term can work but don't want to work unemployed..

Bibio

25-08-17, 03:30 PM

break the welfare down and its only £2.3b for the unemployed. we more than likely get at lest half of that back.

break the defence down and we spend £7.7b on foreign economic aid (whatever that is)

my point is that there is to much slandering of the unemployed costing us too much when in fact its the other benefits for such things as family tax credits and other benefits for working family's. the Gov should not be paying people to work but they do as the cost of living is out of control.

SV650rules

25-08-17, 03:43 PM

It not so much what welfare costs, I know a few people that have paid loads into system in tax and NI while working but as soon as they need something back they get offered peanuts and told 'you have assets, sell them and come back when you have no money' while the long term-died-in-the-wool-know all the benefits and never worked people seem to do very nicely thank you, seems that if you are a 'regular' you get more help.

ophic

25-08-17, 03:57 PM

break the welfare down and its only £2.3b for the unemployed. we more than likely get at lest half of that back.
You've missed the £27bn or so that gets spent on housing benefit. That's not all unemployed, granted, but all unemployed folks qualify and receive it.

That £2.3bn is unemployment benefits, which is a deliberately small category. The unemployed can and do claim a lot more than that. And it outweighs military spending by a huge margin.

Red ones

25-08-17, 05:04 PM

I day bring back national service. That'll stop the argument as there would be very little unemployment to compare defence with.

My gripe today is people who moan.

Chris_SVS

26-08-17, 11:10 AM

My diagnostic plug not working (wire/paperclip trick)

Red ones

26-08-17, 12:03 PM

How does it not work? There is nothing there to not work.

Chris_SVS

26-08-17, 12:08 PM

Don't know! With the connectors jumped the temp display still displayed temp

Sir Trev

26-08-17, 08:58 PM

Diesel cars. High Wycombe seems to be full of ten year old + diesel cars that have never been serviced and emit clouds of disgusting black smoke all the time. I also seem to get stuck behind them on every hill (there are lots here) and they give me a headache. How the hell do these fecking things get through the MoT? The sooner the disgusting stuff gets banned the better.

Sir Trev

26-08-17, 09:05 PM

SV650rules

26-08-17, 09:11 PM

Always hated diesel, even modern ones can blot the road out when accelerating / changing gear. Just shows how concentrating on one thing (CO2) can lead people to accept the unacceptable aided and abetted by short sighted governments. It's not so much how they got through MOT as why they were allowed on the road in the first place. Another thing that does not show in daylight but shows in following headlights at night is the grey smoke they emit all the time.

Bibio

26-08-17, 09:41 PM

Some a-hole nearby is having a party and it's so loud it's making my windows rattle. Bet the git drives an un-serviced diesel too. I am bloody tired, very grumpy and there's no point getting an early night 'cos of the boom-boom-boom music noise. Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhhh.

you ride a motorbike you should have ear plugs.. problem solved ;)

i get party's almost every frigging night around here as well as running battles and loud drunken yobs till the we hours. that and the wife wanting the toilet at 3-4am most nights. might be why i'm a mild insomniac and always tired.

Sir Trev

27-08-17, 07:58 AM

you ride a motorbike you should have ear plugs.. problem solved ;)

I do indeed have some and if I go to the NEC Bike Show in November I may treat myself to some custom moulded ones which should be comfortable enough for all night use. I find the rubarb and custard ones I use on the bike irritating after a few hours without a break.

Thankfully the inconsiderate revellers took their party indoors by half eleven last night and I dropped off to sleep soon after.

We live close enough to the "student village" for Bucks New Uni that every September when the new intake of freshers arrive we get a couple of bad weeks of constant noise until they realise how quickly they're drinking their funds away and they've had a few visits from the Rozzers. Just around the corner then. Oh goody.

Chris_SVS

27-08-17, 08:07 AM

I do indeed have some and if I go to the NEC Bike Show in November I may treat myself to some custom moulded ones which should be comfortable enough for all night use. I find the rubarb and custard ones I use on the bike irritating after a few hours without a break.

Thankfully the inconsiderate revellers took their party indoors by half eleven last night and I dropped off to sleep soon after.

We live close enough to the "student village" for Bucks New Uni that every September when the new intake of freshers arrive we get a couple of bad weeks of constant noise until they realise how quickly they're drinking their funds away and they've had a few visits from the Rozzers. Just around the corner then. Oh goody.
Those things(rhubarb and custard) are awful. Wore them once in work when my ear defenders broke :nomore::nomore: the moulded ones on cords aren't greatly better and can be too long in some helmets.

I'm wearing Alpine Motosafe Tour currently, reusable,filtered so I can still hear intercom/satnav etc but lose a lot of wind noise

SV650rules

27-08-17, 08:26 AM

You may be better of with the re-usable foam ones, one of the H&S talks I attended (and I actually stayed awake during) mentioned ear infections from using the same earplugs all the time, and using fresh ones each time although better still creates the ideal conditions in the ear canal for bacteria to thrive (which is why in industry its better to use the bigger clip over 'ear defenders' which allow airflow in the ears, but you can't use on a bike).

Soak your custom moulded ones in Milton / Dettol or similar regularly to discourage the bugs.

Chris_SVS

27-08-17, 08:41 AM

ethariel

27-08-17, 10:44 AM

Moulded ones to fit with bluetooth for the satnav if i'm doing any motorway work, Max orange for bimbling about if i remember, commuting nothing.

SV650rules

27-08-17, 11:16 AM

Both my AGV and Caberg helmets were pretty quiet when my AL7 was in standard naked form and I was happy not to wear earplugs unless going on motorways, I fitted a fly screen with an upturned lip and wind noise in helmet was horrendous, I chopped the lip off and was a lot quieter, but now have tilted screen flatter and even quieter, but still not as good as no screen - really thinking of taking screen off to get quietness back. A screen can push disturbed air up to helmet level and cause worse wind noise and negate helmet designers careful work to ensure helmet is quiet with smooth airflow coming from straight ahead.

maviczap

27-08-17, 11:43 AM